NSFW pictures

[IceBear]

G

But again why are people playing on the web at work? Shouldn't people being paid for a job be ...working? That sounds snarky I know but theres no other way to say it.

Lunch time? Break time?

I know there are periods of my day that are slow or I need to recharge my mental faculties by thinking about something other than memory dumps and reading some stuff here helps with that.

If people didn't post while at work, this site would probably be dead during the day

Also, there's being blocked at work and there's being reprimanded and/or fired for an image you accidentally viewed

[Smoove_B]

If people didn't post while at work, this site would probably be even more dead during the day

Fixed that for you. When your Top 50 poster list includes people that haven't contributed to the site in 7 years....trouble.

[IceBear]

True

[$iljanus]

But again why are people playing on the web at work? Shouldn't people being paid for a job be ...working? That sounds snarky I know but theres no other way to say it.

For me, I have some downtime in my lab. I set up my experiments, they have some incubations, I fill the time crunching data from other experiments or reading OO. So I like to think I have this balance of being productive and enjoying the forum.

[Blackhawk]

So, a semi-related question: Having been on disability since 56k was standard, I've never had to deal with filters at work. For those worried about the NSFW content losing them access, what exactly is it that would cause problems?

Do the programs look for keywords?
Compare links to a known list of porn sites?
Use and algorithm to look for nipple-shapes in pictures?
Compare pictures to a database?

Is it possible that a small tweak in how people post in NSFW threads could significantly reduce the danger without out-and-out banning a type of content? While I don't usually bother with the NSFW threads (if I want to see nakedry, there are places that do it better), I can't say that a thread with 100+ pages of posts has made no contribution, nor can I say that 11 pages of topics hasn't, specifically through the posting of NSFW content, created some interesting debates and discussions.

[Isgrimnur]

PDF primer on web filtering

[LawBeefaroni]

But again why are people playing on the web at work? Shouldn't people being paid for a job be ...working? That sounds snarky I know but theres no other way to say it.

This is a red herring. This not a discussion about the habits of the modern workplace.

The relevance and appropriateness of the content being posted is at issue, not who views it and how.

[Blackhawk]

PDF primer on web filtering

Thanks.

It almost sounds like using a different keyword to warn about content (NSFW = BLARG), limiting pure NSFW postings (IE - just pictures of attractive folks without additional specific context) to a single thread, and requesting that people not hotlink or link directly to porn sites would help reduce the 'score' users get when visiting OO.

[Remus West]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

That's really neither here nor there. Obviously that's the immediate cause of hepcat leaving, but he could just as easily have come over here and discussed this civilly instead of taking his marbles and going home.

Point is just that it doesn't really impact this discussion as far as I see it.

I felt it was important to add - if this event is the final push to make a long time member leave, it's relevant.

It's my opinion that the subject of this discussion didn't make hepcat leave, it was the lack of support he got when he went after Daehawk, and even the pushback from Chaos Raven and others that really sent him packing. Hepcat does NOT like being made fun of when he's on a tear. He can dish it and he can take it, except for when he can't. Then it's catastrophic. I should know. I'm almost exactly the same way.

It's called "waking the bear" where I come from

I believe Hep left before CR made his thread so you are off track here on his reasoning.

[El Guapo]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

That's really neither here nor there. Obviously that's the immediate cause of hepcat leaving, but he could just as easily have come over here and discussed this civilly instead of taking his marbles and going home.

Point is just that it doesn't really impact this discussion as far as I see it.

I felt it was important to add - if this event is the final push to make a long time member leave, it's relevant.

But I don't think it was NSFW stuff that made him leave (hopefully temporarily), I think it was the push back to his posts. MHS' post asking him if he had stuff going on seems to have been the most immediate 'spark'. My sense is that his view was "Daehawk and ibdoomed are being neanderthals, and *I'm* the one who is asked if I'm having life issues?!"

My sense is that the NSFW issue happened to be the one that sparked the conflagration, but if not this it probably would've been another issue somewhere down the line.

Broadly I agree with GreenGoo. Hepcat had a point (as others have argued) but went about it in entirely the wrong way.

[El Guapo]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

That's really neither here nor there. Obviously that's the immediate cause of hepcat leaving, but he could just as easily have come over here and discussed this civilly instead of taking his marbles and going home.

Point is just that it doesn't really impact this discussion as far as I see it.

I felt it was important to add - if this event is the final push to make a long time member leave, it's relevant.

It's my opinion that the subject of this discussion didn't make hepcat leave, it was the lack of support he got when he went after Daehawk, and even the pushback from Chaos Raven and others that really sent him packing. Hepcat does NOT like being made fun of when he's on a tear. He can dish it and he can take it, except for when he can't. Then it's catastrophic. I should know. I'm almost exactly the same way.

It's called "waking the bear" where I come from

I believe Hep left before CR made his thread so you are off track here on his reasoning.

Partially. I think the pushback in the "random NSFW" thread set him off - the lack of support in that thread. Not sure if he saw the CR thread, but pretty sure that if he had that wouldn't have helped.

[pr0ner]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

That's really neither here nor there. Obviously that's the immediate cause of hepcat leaving, but he could just as easily have come over here and discussed this civilly instead of taking his marbles and going home.

Point is just that it doesn't really impact this discussion as far as I see it.

I felt it was important to add - if this event is the final push to make a long time member leave, it's relevant.

But I don't think it was NSFW stuff that made him leave (hopefully temporarily), I think it was the push back to his posts. MHS' post asking him if he had stuff going on seems to have been the most immediate 'spark'. My sense is that his view was "Daehawk and ibdoomed are being neanderthals, and *I'm* the one who is asked if I'm having life issues?!"

My sense is that the NSFW issue happened to be the one that sparked the conflagration, but if not this it probably would've been another issue somewhere down the line.

Broadly I agree with GreenGoo. Hepcat had a point (as others have argued) but went about it in entirely the wrong way.

OK, I see what you're saying now.

I doubt some of the things being said about him now in other threads would help convince him to come back, either.

[MHS]

Great, so in one thread, I'm both someone who posts enough NSFW pics to be specifically mentioned as "why is it ok when MHS does it", AND the one who made Hepcat leave. Wheee.

[Remus West]

Great, so in one thread, I'm both someone who posts enough NSFW pics to be specifically mentioned as "why is it ok when MHS does it", AND the one who made Hepcat leave. Wheee.

I consider myself as sharing Hepcat's opinion regarding the proliferation of NSFW threads and for what it is worth I took your comment to him as a friend expressing concern not about that thread specifically but something you had noticed over time. Whether or not there really was/is anything to have noticed is another question that may never be answered.

[Chaosraven]

Now, knowing HepC from many years of gaming at Octocon, along with dining together at such functions, I sincerely doubt the mocking Dong title pushed his buttons.

If it had, I would have received a PM calling me a dick. Or perhaps an alternately titled thread of its own mocking me.

[Chaosraven]

As far as the NSFW policy or standards, I think it is less of "why do we need it here" than "why can't we have it here", because let's be honest... this is supposed to be a GAMING website.

We have board game, card game, video game, and pbem gaming discussions.
We have reviews of recent games, revisitations of old favorites, and occasionally a actual game of something being played right here.

Now, there are other sections of the forum for OTHER stuff.
In the appropriately named EVERYTHING BUT GAMING, what do we find?

Stuff other than gaming.
Movies, books, random news articles, and yes, Threads full of Pictures.

Of everything but gaming.
(except for that damnable hentau and his pictures of *shudder* GAMING at OctoCons)

Now, I will agree that if the potential proliferation of possible porn causes OO to be blocked for some users, it does indeed present a clear and present danger to their ability to peruse OO whilst being paid by somebody to be doing something else.

Coming up with acceptable parameters of acceptable content is fine. Consequences are fine. Results of both and how it affects the users here are going to be too mixed and varied across them to really have that as a consideration.

[wonderpug]

Great, so in one thread, I'm both someone who posts enough NSFW pics to be specifically mentioned as "why is it ok when MHS does it", AND the one who made Hepcat leave. Wheee.

I'm also holding you responsible for me eating some questionable leftovers last night.

[El Guapo]

Great, so in one thread, I'm both someone who posts enough NSFW pics to be specifically mentioned as "why is it ok when MHS does it", AND the one who made Hepcat leave. Wheee.

To be clear I don't assign you the slightest bit of blame in the matter. Your post was genuinely asking, as a friend, whether anything was going on with him. He just didn't take it at all in the vein that it was intended. I think that's more on him that on you, and I also think that (a) all the other push back in the thread already had him in a righteous fury; and (b) something else would have set him off eventually.

Your post, if I'm reading this correctly, just happened to be the spark.

[El Guapo]

And, apparently, that random nsfw thread has caused hepcat to change his profile details and go inactive here.

That's really neither here nor there. Obviously that's the immediate cause of hepcat leaving, but he could just as easily have come over here and discussed this civilly instead of taking his marbles and going home.

Point is just that it doesn't really impact this discussion as far as I see it.

I felt it was important to add - if this event is the final push to make a long time member leave, it's relevant.

But I don't think it was NSFW stuff that made him leave (hopefully temporarily), I think it was the push back to his posts. MHS' post asking him if he had stuff going on seems to have been the most immediate 'spark'. My sense is that his view was "Daehawk and ibdoomed are being neanderthals, and *I'm* the one who is asked if I'm having life issues?!"

My sense is that the NSFW issue happened to be the one that sparked the conflagration, but if not this it probably would've been another issue somewhere down the line.

Broadly I agree with GreenGoo. Hepcat had a point (as others have argued) but went about it in entirely the wrong way.

OK, I see what you're saying now.

I doubt some of the things being said about him now in other threads would help convince him to come back, either.

There's support for Hep as well as criticism in the threads. For anyone, storming off is going to lead to discussion about said person and their posting, and inevitably not all of it is going to be positive.

[msduncan]

Great, so in one thread, I'm both someone who posts enough NSFW pics to be specifically mentioned as "why is it ok when MHS does it", AND the one who made Hepcat leave. Wheee.

You deserve a badge or ribbon or something.

[MHS]

Great, so in one thread, I'm both someone who posts enough NSFW pics to be specifically mentioned as "why is it ok when MHS does it", AND the one who made Hepcat leave. Wheee.

I'm also holding you responsible for me eating some questionable leftovers last night.

That one I'll cop to.

[GreenGoo]

I believe Hep left before CR made his thread so you are off track here on his reasoning.

I never mentioned Chaos Raven's thread. I'm talking about the pushback and light teasing that occured within the thread itself. Also, Chaos Raven's parody thread was in direct response to Hepcat's parody thread.

I'm relatively confident that my guesswork (and of course it's guesswork), based on the evidence I'm aware of, is correct. If it turns out I guessed wrong, well, it happens.

As to MHS, you shouldn't take umbrage about me referring to you specifically. I was attempting to illustrate what appeared to be a double standard, depending on who did the posting. In no way was I disapproving (or approving, although I do ) your occasional posting of pics.

I don't recall hearing Hepcat complain about your pics. Or anyone for that matter

[GreenGoo]

OK, I see what you're saying now.

I doubt some of the things being said about him now in other threads would help convince him to come back, either.

Is that what we're attempting to do? Because it's pretty hard to control how other people react. Only they can decide for themselves. But if we *are* attempting to get hepcat back, this is probably not the thread we should be using.

I took some shots at him because I think the things I said were true, and that he is at least partially to blame for the current mess. I'm also not the only one who feels as I do, given some exchanges in the NSFW thread. I also hadn't realized he had left, and thought I was posting where he could address the things I said, if he was inclined. Now that I know he's not around atm, I don't feel comfortable "talking behind his back" as it were. I'll try to keep it at a minimum. We do need to decide if we're fixing the "hepcat" situation, or the NSFW situation, or both.

So. Here we are.

[GreenGoo]

Now, knowing HepC from many years of gaming at Octocon, along with dining together at such functions, I sincerely doubt the mocking Dong title pushed his buttons.

If it had, I would have received a PM calling me a dick. Or perhaps an alternately titled thread of its own mocking me.

I totally agree. He can dish it and take it with the best of them. Except for when he can't. Then "righteous fury" (as mentioned by El Guapo I think?) happens. That seems to be what happened here.

[Carpet_pissr]

So. Here we are.

And now for something completely different:

(sung to the tune of 'We've Got Tonight', by Bob Seger)

I KNOW IT'S LATE, I KNOW YOU'RE TEARY
I KNOW YOUR RAGES...DON'T INCLUDE ME
STILL HERE WE ARE, ALL OF US WONDERING
LONGING FOR SHELTER FROM ALL THE PORN THAT WE SEE

NOT SAFE FOR WORK, HEP? NO ONE WILL CARE, DUDE
LOOK AT THE BOSS MAN, SO FAR AWAY

WE'VE GOT THE MODS
WHO NEEDS TO SPOILER TAG?
WE'VE GOT TO FIGHT!, HEP
WHY DON'T YOU STAY?

DEEP IN MY SOUL, I'VE BEEN SO ANGRY
ALL OF MY NUDE PICS, SPOILER TAGGED AWAY
I'VE LONGED FOR REP, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES
I KNOW I'LL KEEP SEARCHING, AFTER TODAY

SO THAT THERE IT IS HEP
WE'VE GOT IT ALL HIDDEN
AND HERE WE ARE HEP
WHAT DO YOU SAY?

WE'VE GOT THE MODS
WHO NEEDS A SPOILER TAG?
WE'VE GOT TO FIGHT, HEP
WHY DON'T YOU STAY?

[Anonymous Bosch]

I could be mistaken, but I believe what MHS was attempting to convey to Hep, in a far more discreet and courteous manner than I, was that of late, the rod up his arse appeared to have a rod up its arse.

That is all.

[Holman]

I hope Hepcat returns. He has seemed more easily pissed-off lately, but his posting history speaks for itself. I'll miss him if he stays away.

It seems like we've lost several community stalwarts lately, people who almost always added something good to the topics they took on. I don't think jiggly-ass .gifs are fair compensation.

[Daehawk]

but his posting history speaks for itself

Thats why maybe to others..his friends..he will be missed. I have more the dont let the door hit you feelings.

[GreenGoo]

I hope Hepcat returns. He has seemed more easily pissed-off lately, but his posting history speaks for itself. I'll miss him if he stays away.

It seems like we've lost several community stalwarts lately, people who almost always added something good to the topics they took on. I don't think jiggly-ass .gifs are fair compensation.

a) As daehawk suggests, hepcat absolutely went after people for various reasons. Sometimes no reason at all. Hepcat is more popular than daehawk, which is why hepcat is so rarely called on his shit. I also feel that hepcat stepped over the line when he made a thread solely to track all the things Jeff V hates. It's one thing to poke fun at someone. It's another thing to institutionalize that fun and get others involved. That Jeff was a relatively good sport about it is beside the point. While Jeff had personal business that occupied his time, I also felt that being constantly belittled for his (somewhat jaded ) opinions also pushed him away from OO. He's back now, at least a little, and that's a good thing. Hepcat's posting history contains a lot of good. It also contains a lot of kicking people, particularly Daehawk, and no one ever said boo to him about it as far as I know. Except Daehawk of course. No one cared.

b) If hepcat left due to the occasional jiggly picture (in threads specifically marked as such, that he was under no obligation to view) then he is going to HATE the rest of the internet.

c) Hepcat is a big boy. He'll decide what's right for him and do it. The very idea that OO should be making policy decisions that match one member's opinion just so that he'll stick around is...disappointing. I thought OO was better than that sort of mentality. If that's the case, then OO is already dead, it just doesn't know it yet.

d) Hepcat is a very funny guy. Quick, and witty. OO will be a poorer place if he doesn't come back.

[Daehawk]

and no one ever said boo to him about it as far as I know.

I was going to post a big thing containing that as one thing but you said it much better. I have bad writing skills plus part of my disability doesn't let me stay even keeled enough to post even with medicine in me

Thank you.

[MHS]

rshetts spoke up. I spoke up. Others spoke up. There is no "popular kids" conspiracy going on here where some people get away with stuff and some don't. Being aware of context, situational cues, etc. may result in some leniency for some period of time, but nobody just gets free rein.

[LawBeefaroni]

a) As daehawk suggests, hepcat absolutely went after people for various reasons. Sometimes no reason at all. Hepcat is more popular than daehawk, which is why hepcat is so rarely called on his shit. I also feel that hepcat stepped over the line when he made a thread solely to track all the things Jeff V hates. It's one thing to poke fun at someone. It's another thing to institutionalize that fun and get others involved.

Personal comment: I've seen Hepcat and Jeff V have meals and drinks together. This ribbing goes on IRL. I think they can both handle it. If not, they both know there the Chicago Thunderdome is. I certainly understand that you might not have the same context and can see your concerns. I don't think they are necessary.

c) Hepcat is a big boy. He'll decide what's right for him and do it. The very idea that OO should be making policy decisions that match one member's opinion just so that he'll stick around is...disappointing. I thought OO was better than that sort of mentality. If that's the case, then OO is already dead, it just doesn't know it yet.

Mod comment: I still don't know what went on, i guess I'll have to dig around all the NSFW threads in the comfort of home. I will say this, no policy decisions are being made based on one member's opinion. The discussion revolves around to main topics: work filters and overall forum standards of NSFW and not-allowed. No single member's opinion, not even a single mod or admin, is making policy decisions. I can assure you that the various differeing views in this thread are well represented.

[RunningMn9]

Clearly Daehawk isn't going to answer me, so maybe someone else could help me?

I can see the point of Brian's junk being put on display. That's a forum member talking about his exploration of a new lifestyle and the circumstances around it. The dirty bits aren't exactly besides the point - but I don't think that Brian was posting them for the sake of posting dick picks. So I can understand the value.

Take Daehawk's thread. I have no idea what the point of it is, or what value it adds to anyone. I'm not saying it doesn't exist - I'm asking people like him what it is. It can't be that he just loves yoga pants selfies - because he has already seen all of those and can see them whenever he pleases without posting them here.

He's not really doing a public service since anyone that is interested in yoga pants selfies has an infinite supply at their fingertips, always. So there is no particular value in the audience seeing them here (that I can tell).

Is there value in knowing the various things that get people going? I don't see that either. Knowing that Daehawk really likes yoga pants doesn't help me in any way. And I get that it isn't about me - but what value do other people see in knowing that.

The only time I've seen value in that is the one poster that almost always post pictures of chicks that look like they are twelve and all I want to do is report him to the FBI. But I don't think that was the value that that poster was trying to add.

So to conclude, in 2014 what possible value is there to wasting any amount of OO's bandwidth on threads like Daehawk's? There is literally an entire internet at his (or anyone else's) disposal to provide that material.

Why does it need to be here? Someone? Anyone? Bueller?

[GreenGoo]

rshetts spoke up. I spoke up. Others spoke up. There is no "popular kids" conspiracy going on here where some people get away with stuff and some don't. Being aware of context, situational cues, etc. may result in some leniency for some period of time, but nobody just gets free rein.

No one said anything about conspiracy, and I'm certainly not talking about this single event. Popular kids get passes. That's the way it works. It's not a secret meeting where everyone decides to screw over one guy while supporting another. It just happens.

Hepcat has a history of belittling Daehawk. It's not incessant (although I'm sure it feels like it to daehawk) but it was often enough to form a pattern, and it has existed for year(s?) at least.

Rshetts spoke up because he too has witnessed hepcat deciding for others what is appropriate to post or not. It's exactly what I noticed too. Rshetts and I have never even spoken about this before and yet he wrote word for word what I would have.

There is no conspiracy. Hepcat can "be mean" for lack of a better phrase, to daehawk and get away with it because hepcat is a funny guy who people like and daehawk is "different" and not popular (sorry daehawk). Certainly not on the level of hepcat anyway. It's practically a textbook example of high school dynamics, except not as hamfisted as after school specials would have us believe.

I'm sorry you got your back up MHS but hepcat can (as we all can) be a dick. There is no question in my mind that daehawk would trigger this dickish behaviour in hepcat, for whatever reason. That's not daehawk's fault. It's hepcat's.

Again, I was not referring to this one incident. I'm referring to a pattern formed over months if not years. Did you think daehawk was just making shit up when he would accuse hepcat of following him from thread to thread just to shit on him?

I'm starting to get even more wordy which is a sign I'm too involved in this. I'm not sure why I've inserted myself in this discussion. I suspect it's because this is not new behaviour, it's just the first time it has exploded to this extent and I wanted that fact on the table during the discussions.

[GreenGoo]

No single member's opinion, not even a single mod or admin, is making policy decisions. I can assure you that the various differeing views in this thread are well represented.

I never thought otherwise. It was subtly implied by the suggestion that jiggly pictures are a poor substitute for a valued member of the community. As in, make the bad pictures go away so I can have hepcat back. I was just pushing back against the idea. Rational discourse and hopefully community consensus should be what policies are based on. Not someone getting butthurt because things didn't go his way.

[Alefroth]

Clearly Daehawk isn't going to answer me, so maybe someone else could help me?

I can see the point of Brian's junk being put on display. That's a forum member talking about his exploration of a new lifestyle and the circumstances around it. The dirty bits aren't exactly besides the point - but I don't think that Brian was posting them for the sake of posting dick picks. So I can understand the value.

Take Daehawk's thread. I have no idea what the point of it is, or what value it adds to anyone. I'm not saying it doesn't exist - I'm asking people like him what it is. It can't be that he just loves yoga pants selfies - because he has already seen all of those and can see them whenever he pleases without posting them here.

He's not really doing a public service since anyone that is interested in yoga pants selfies has an infinite supply at their fingertips, always. So there is no particular value in the audience seeing them here (that I can tell).

Is there value in knowing the various things that get people going? I don't see that either. Knowing that Daehawk really likes yoga pants doesn't help me in any way. And I get that it isn't about me - but what value do other people see in knowing that.

The only time I've seen value in that is the one poster that almost always post pictures of chicks that look like they are twelve and all I want to do is report him to the FBI. But I don't think that was the value that that poster was trying to add.

So to conclude, in 2014 what possible value is there to wasting any amount of OO's bandwidth on threads like Daehawk's? There is literally an entire internet at his (or anyone else's) disposal to provide that material.

Why does it need to be here? Someone? Anyone? Bueller?

The impression I get is that he likes the attention. This one turned out to be a bonanza.

[MHS]

rshetts spoke up. I spoke up. Others spoke up. There is no "popular kids" conspiracy going on here where some people get away with stuff and some don't. Being aware of context, situational cues, etc. may result in some leniency for some period of time, but nobody just gets free rein.

No one said anything about conspiracy, and I'm certainly not talking about this single event. Popular kids get passes. That's the way it works. It's not a secret meeting where everyone decides to screw over one guy while supporting another. It just happens.

Hepcat has a history of belittling Daehawk. It's not incessant (although I'm sure it feels like it to daehawk) but it was often enough to form a pattern, and it has existed for year(s?) at least.

Rshetts spoke up because he too has witnessed hepcat deciding for others what is appropriate to post or not. It's exactly what I noticed too. Rshetts and I have never even spoken about this before and yet he wrote word for word what I would have.

There is no conspiracy. Hepcat can "be mean" for lack of a better phrase, to daehawk and get away with it because hepcat is a funny guy who people like and daehawk is "different" and not popular (sorry daehawk). Certainly not on the level of hepcat anyway. It's practically a textbook example of high school dynamics, except not as hamfisted as after school specials would have us believe.

I'm sorry you got your back up MHS but hepcat can (as we all can) be a dick. There is no question in my mind that daehawk would trigger this dickish behaviour in hepcat, for whatever reason. That's not daehawk's fault. It's hepcat's.

Again, I was not referring to this one incident. I'm referring to a pattern formed over months if not years. Did you think daehawk was just making shit up when he would accuse hepcat of following him from thread to thread just to shit on him?

I'm starting to get even more wordy which is a sign I'm too involved in this. I'm not sure why I've inserted myself in this discussion. I suspect it's because this is not new behaviour, it's just the first time it has exploded to this extent and I wanted that fact on the table during the discussions.

I don't read every thread, so I don't necessarily see patterns, or accusations. When I became aware of it, I said something.

And I don't mean to sound like I have my back up. Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive due to the fact that when I did say something to Hepcat, he left the forums. So I kind of feel like shit that my speaking out apparently made someone feel so bad that they left, despite the fact that I think something needed to be said. So if I have to feel like shit for saying something (despite receiving some PM's thanking me), I don't want to hear that no one ever said anything!

[Chaosraven]

To the matter at hand:

NSFW needs some sort of Regulatory Understanding for content, spoiler, linkage, whatever.
We can assume that screencaps of 2Girls1Cup are not acceptable.
A definition of What Is would need to be defined before anyone can reasonably be required to follow that definition.
The perpetual entering of threads for the sole purpose of bitching about them? Petty and pointless.
So how do we go about establishing guidelines we all can live with?



One a personal note:

Part of the problem with tehIntrawebz is the lack of Tone with a post.

I happen to love and respect both Hepcat and JeffV and have spent time offline with both.
I don't know daehawk, but I love the jiggly pix.
I'm not into chubbys but have no issue with pix of them.
I like tacos.
Tacos rule.

[IceBear]

Clearly Daehawk isn't going to answer me, so maybe someone else could help me?

I can see the point of Brian's junk being put on display. That's a forum member talking about his exploration of a new lifestyle and the circumstances around it. The dirty bits aren't exactly besides the point - but I don't think that Brian was posting them for the sake of posting dick picks. So I can understand the value.

Take Daehawk's thread. I have no idea what the point of it is, or what value it adds to anyone. I'm not saying it doesn't exist - I'm asking people like him what it is. It can't be that he just loves yoga pants selfies - because he has already seen all of those and can see them whenever he pleases without posting them here.

He's not really doing a public service since anyone that is interested in yoga pants selfies has an infinite supply at their fingertips, always. So there is no particular value in the audience seeing them here (that I can tell).

Is there value in knowing the various things that get people going? I don't see that either. Knowing that Daehawk really likes yoga pants doesn't help me in any way. And I get that it isn't about me - but what value do other people see in knowing that.

The only time I've seen value in that is the one poster that almost always post pictures of chicks that look like they are twelve and all I want to do is report him to the FBI. But I don't think that was the value that that poster was trying to add.

So to conclude, in 2014 what possible value is there to wasting any amount of OO's bandwidth on threads like Daehawk's? There is literally an entire internet at his (or anyone else's) disposal to provide that material.

Why does it need to be here? Someone? Anyone? Bueller?

The impression I get is that he likes the attention. This one turned out to be a bonanza.

I don't think that's it. I could take or leave the thread myself, but I am sure his reasoning is no different than those that start a game screen shot thrwad

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I haven't seen the specific posts that led to the current ruckus, but I'll throw in my two bits.

I think of OO as a generally warm and welcoming (if curmudgeonly) space.

I'm fine in principle with NSFW threads. There are plenty of things that members might want to discuss or share that, well, aren't safe for work (who could forget the local news coverage of dbt's toilet?). I'm glad that the funny pictures thread has a NSFW label, so that members can feel free to throw in off-color content now and then.

However, a NSFW thread that exists solely for the purpose of posting pictures of scantily clad or unclad women is, for a significant proportion of people, anything but warm and welcoming. You don't need to be a dyed-in-the-wool feminist to realize that this type of thread can come across as creepy and may discourage some from engaging in this community.

I'd like to think that we're all reasonably mature adults who are able to make a distinction between sharing some risque/ribald content in a friendly way, and treating OO like a communal spank bank. I'd like to think that, but sometimes I don't.