NSFW pictures

[RunningMn9]

Fair enough. Mainly I was wondering whether the motive was curiosity or judgmental (judgmentalness?).

Curiosity. There is a distinct difference in the sorts of NSFW content around these parts (IMO). I get the one kind (where the NSFW stuff is somewhat tangential).

As I said, I don't understand the value of GIRLS!! because GIRLS!!.

There's an internet for that. It would help for someone (preferably him) to explain why GIRLS!! because GIRLS!! is actually a valuable addition to the community.

Because if it's not - than WTF?

[Daehawk]

Are you talking to me? Because if so I post them because I like them. I also dont ask you to explain why you post anything you post. Its an open forum and not restricted to one or two topics.

Also just how many NSFW topics are there? I can only think of 3 right off...youtube vids have that sub title, the silly pics thread..and my new one for everything else. Any others should be way off the front page by now.....and just how many could there be compared to thw site as a whole? is it like 5 vs 1000 or more??

And no I dont see the discussion of NSFW or even my last thread as an attack upon me. I do see some stuff in here as directed at me.

[MHS]

My posts of the nsfw stuff used to get rousing approval and cheer...now they seem to bring this type thread.

And maybe that should be an indication that the climate has changed. People here aren't the typical 20-something year old gamers. Most of us here are in our late 30's and early 40's. Most of us are married, have children, are educated, and work in professional jobs. The shift has occurred to where people are more concerned about family friendly. It's about knowing your audience. Very few people will have an objection to some pics of attractive womminz, but hitting people over the head with it seems kind of pointless at best and pervy at worst. And bear in mind that this isn't coming from someone who has issues with nudity...this is coming from someone who has posted nude pictures of herself. I stopped doing it when the climate shifted. Not because I got older and fatter (although I did) but because it's just not appropriate anymore. The fact that you cannot see that is one of the things that sometimes makes you a target for people.

[El Guapo]

For the most part I don't think this discussion is really trending in a good direction at this point. I think we should mainly focus on areas of consensus and go from there. Those are, in my view:

(1) To the extent that NSFW threads can be altered in some way so as to minimize the risk of OO getting blocked for people at work, we should do so, whether that's minimizing the number of them or the terminology or what have you.

(2) We should have clear guidelines on the types of pictures / links that are ok to post.

[Holman]

And I am attacked by the same few in most if not all my threads. Its not an out and out name calling,. Its the subtle well written jab or barb at me each and every damn time. Ya it bothers me like it would anyone but I dont post about it so as not to bring attention to the fool. but I will now....hope those of you doing it are happy. You dont even know me but you pick me out to attack. those are the asses. In RL Id simply knock you on your ass after a time. Here theres basically nothing to be done with you other than ignore or attack back. im done ignoring you. You get what you want.

Well this is a problem. We shouldn't be a community where people feel singled out and attacked, even when we disagree strongly--or else we're not a community at all. If you feel like you're being targeted, please bring it up with those people. Probably PM is best.

If I'm someone you feel attacks you, I hope you'll contact me. I don't think I've been on your case before, but maybe it feels that way with this topic. I do disagree with your (and ibdoomed's) recent NSFW postings, but it has been about the posts, not about you.

[pr0ner]

For the most part I don't think this discussion is really trending in a good direction at this point. I think we should mainly focus on areas of consensus and go from there. Those are, in my view:

(1) To the extent that NSFW threads can be altered in some way so as to minimize the risk of OO getting blocked for people at work, we should do so, whether that's minimizing the number of them or the terminology or what have you.

(2) We should have clear guidelines on the types of pictures / links that are ok to post.

Agreed. Which is why I started the topic in the first place.

Perhaps an OOfficial edict will be issued soon.

[LawBeefaroni]

One or two feeling uncomfortable is a minority.

This I have a problem with. No, you cannot please everyone all the time. But justifying an action by saying, "Well, it only affects a minority so it doesn't really matter" is something else. I hope that further explanation isn't necessary.

But if you can't please everyone all the time, by definition you must accept one or two (at least) people being uncomfortable no matter which choice you make.

Not if the choice is to post an image or to not post an image. Beside, there's a difference between not pleasing someone and making someone uncomfortable.

[naednek]

My posts of the nsfw stuff used to get rousing approval and cheer...now they seem to bring this type thread.

And maybe that should be an indication that the climate has changed. People here aren't the typical 20-something year old gamers. Most of us here are in our late 30's and early 40's. Most of us are married, have children, are educated, and work in professional jobs. The shift has occurred to where people are more concerned about family friendly. It's about knowing your audience. Very few people will have an objection to some pics of attractive womminz, but hitting people over the head with it seems kind of pointless at best and pervy at worst. And bear in mind that this isn't coming from someone who has issues with nudity...this is coming from someone who has posted nude pictures of herself. I stopped doing it when the climate shifted. Not because I got older and fatter (although I did) but because it's just not appropriate anymore. The fact that you cannot see that is one of the things that sometimes makes you a target for people.

Well said, I was about to reply with, it's probably because most of us have grown up, and while we all may be attracted to something like that, our level of infatuation more than likely changed.

[Blackhawk]

I have to disagree with the current trend - making a few someones uncomfortable isn't a good enough reason to deny content.

We have all sorts of stuff that make some people uncomfortable. Discussions of homosexuality and same-sex marriage, discussions of religion, threads about disease and dying. Uncomfortable is going to happen.

Now, that doesn't invalidate all of the other reasons to possibly reign in NSFW content, but a few people not liking the topic? Nah.

[wonderpug]

I think it's a bit of a tangent to talk about whether or not the sexy picture threads will get the site blocked from workplaces. Many workplaces (like mine) block websites associated with gaming, and I doubt we're about to tell people to cut back on gaming discussion to make sure the site doesn't get blocked. Admittedly, getting blocked as a porn site is a bit different than getting blocked as a gaming site, but I still think it's a tangent.

Why do we want people to come to OO? What is its purpose, both for existing members and potential new ones?

To talk about gaming?
To share stories good and bad about our real lives?
To talk about recent news events?
To argue about religion & politics?
To talk about other hobbies & interests?
To share funny findings on the internet?
To find pictures to masturbate to?

[Blackhawk]

Have we considered having an opt-in NSFW forum? It could still be as limited as NSFW content is now, but without say, checking a tick-box on your profile, you wouldn't even be able to see it. People posting from work could just leave it hidden, and non-members (like most scanning bots) wouldn't even be able to see it.

[Smoove_B]

Why do we want people to come to OO?

To argue about religion & politics?
To find pictures to masturbate to?

Sorry. Totally inappropriate, but we needed some levity.

[Daehawk]

but hitting people over the head with it seems kind of pointless at best and pervy at worst.

And just how is posting a thread that people can freely choose not to enter beating them over the head? Are others beating me over the head wit htheir childrens pics? Are they beating me over the head when a thread about the snowstorms is listed? You're blowing this out a little. My postings show no more naughty parts than your cleavage or tattoo pics do they?

[pr0ner]

To find pictures to masturbate to?

These are not the tentacles you're looking for.

[Smoove_B]

Do you really not see the difference between a "NSFW Hot Chicks" thread that starts off with 37 hot-linked images and a discussion about a snowstorm or cute stories about peoples kids?

[Daehawk]

Again Smoove? It comes down to individual tastes. A snowstorm thread could have bothered me. It didn't ...but to me a nsfw thread is no more than a snowstorm thread is. It was used as an example of beating people over the head. Its no more of a beating than any other thread.

EDIT: Now I am starting to feel singled out because it seems to have come down to my thread and none of the other nsfw ones at all now. Plus people in here seem to question everything Im posting in here when it's clear what i was talking about or comparing.

[Fretmute]

You clearly don't see the difference that makes to web filters.

[IceBear]

I will poke my head back in a couple of weeks to see what has been decided

[gilraen]

I will poke my head back in a couple of weeks to see what has been decided

At least this thread is more entertaining than all these pics/silly pics/semi-nude pics/whatever threads. Every time I come to the forum and check new posts, and there's nothing new but the pics threads, it's like *yawn*.

[RunningMn9]

Are you talking to me? Because if so I post them because I like them. I also dont ask you to explain why you post anything you post. Its an open forum and not restricted to one or two topics.

Yes, I was talking to you (which is why I used your name like 8 times). Believe me, I know that you post them because you like them. That much was obvious. I'm asking why you like posting them.

Also, if I decide that I like posting threads featuring pictures of mountain gorillas being fisted by unruly natives, I don't expect that "Because I like posting them" will count for much when the community pushes back.

And maybe that's the problem here. I would *expect* the community to push back. I also would expect the community to push back against the sort of NSFW threads that you like to start. You don't expect that. Others seem to vary on what we expect from community reaction.

Philosophically, I think less of those kinds of threads because I think they are incredibly juvenile. I think less of people that think that starting them is awesome, because I think they are incredibly juvenile. And I think less of a community that actively defends them because they are incredibly juvenile.

I have no opposition to NSFW content at all, when there is a purpose to it other than the simple fact that it's NSFW.

And the extent of my opposition to it when it's purpose is as transparent as the kind of thread in question is simply to evaluate whether that's the kind of community I care to be a part of.

And maybe that makes me the problem? I have no idea.

[MHS]

but hitting people over the head with it seems kind of pointless at best and pervy at worst.

And just how is posting a thread that people can freely choose not to enter beating them over the head? Are others beating me over the head wit htheir childrens pics? Are they beating me over the head when a thread about the snowstorms is listed? You're blowing this out a little. My postings show no more naughty parts than your cleavage or tattoo pics do they?

When a large portion of your threads and posts seem to be about half dressed females. LawBeef has one of the cutest kids in the world, but if he started 6 threads about her when one would suffice, it would start to get old. But he hasn't. He knows that there is a time and a place, and it's not every time, every place. And we all know that his picture of his cute kid isn't going to get anyone in trouble at work.

And yes, your postings show more naughty parts than my (one, singular) tattoo picture of my back, which was not sexual in any way. Any cleavage pics of mine would be from years ago, so I won't bother defending those. I know when to quit.

And knowing when to quit, I'll bow out and await decisions from the Powers that Be without saying any more on the subject. I agree with El Guapo that this thread probably has enough feedback to serve its purpose and is going off-track at this point.

[Kraken]

I put up wit ha super asshole named CeeKay on GT forever. I asked the mod for help which happened and cut it off and down...maybe a month. But once he started his shit again and nothing was done I had to simply leave a site I loved to use.

It might interest you to know that he disappeared without explanation about a month ago, apparently taking an undefined break from the site.

For myself, I just wish the NSFK thread would go dormant. I don't know what's in there because it's not safe. I imagine it must be babies, or conservatives, or sports, or maybe conservative babies playing sports.

[Blackhawk]

EDIT: Now I am starting to feel singled out because it seems to have come down to my thread and none of the other nsfw ones at all now.

A quick look at threads with 'NSFW' in the title dedicated specifically to looking at purty people that have been active over the last year (and thus not counting things like the YouTube, tattoo, and Silly Pictures threads):

10 total threads

5 by Daehawk
2 by Kasey Chang
Remainder by various non-repeating members

Daehawk, we're not picking on you. We're discussing a controversial topic of which you are, by and far, the most prolific poster. It would be difficult to discuss it without mentioning you by name.

This is a topic with a range of points of view. You're at one extreme. That doesn't make you wrong, but it does put you into the center of the discussion.

[cheeba]

The Battle of Nipple Ridge?

Daehawk, trust me when I say that I know exactly what you mean when you talk about people who take jabs. I'm all for your stance of calling those people out when you see it. However, I think the main problem with the NSFW threads is that they are posted too often, at least in my view. I'd like to see them posted only rarely.

[Rip]

Have we considered having an opt-in NSFW forum? It could still be as limited as NSFW content is now, but without say, checking a tick-box on your profile, you wouldn't even be able to see it. People posting from work could just leave it hidden, and non-members (like most scanning bots) wouldn't even be able to see it.

Interesting idea. A restricted forum that you must ask for access to.....



I like it.

[Smoove_B]

I'd like to see them posted only rarely.

Like the actual content, "rarely" is subjective and I'd imagine, largely unusable as a metric. I do think Blackhawk's idea makes the most sense. I mean, we already have the secret forum for people with over 25,000 posts. No reason that it couldn't be modified for NSFW stuffs.

[Daehawk]

Also, if I decide that I like posting threads featuring pictures of mountain gorillas being fisted by unruly natives, I don't expect that "Because I like posting them" will count for much when the community pushes back.

And maybe that's the problem here. I would *expect* the community to push back. I also would expect the community to push back against the sort of NSFW threads that you like to start. You don't expect that. Others seem to vary on what we expect from community reaction.

And you would know that is not a thing that is to be posted on here. What I posted is not against the rules at all and has always been a part of OO.

You know what...fuck it. You're all just going to keep replying with idiotic examples and anything else to show how smart you think you are. You're not at all trying to represent a point. Just look at the stuff already posted. thats not an arguement thats just stupidity.

Im done in this thread. Hold your breath till you turn blue. In fact Ill try not to start any fucking threads and Ill even limit my postings to other threads. Im not pushing back Im letting go. No point to internet stupidity. After a while maybe I can just fade away. OO has ...even with the assholes...been a place I looked forward to visiting when I got up till I went to bed. Im here off and on all day and night. Not much else to my life but sitting here in my chair with 5 or 6 cushions placed around and under me in pain day in and day fucking out. Im tired.

Quote me...reply to this post..i wont see it Im done in here. Whatever you decide then just do it. Ill still check the main areas for now. But Im stepping back some. Find a new target some of you. To some of you 'fuck you' to the rest carry on as usual. To supporters and those who stood up with me thank you. I did and do appreciate it. Dont bother with this though and dont get banned. And good luck.

And its not just this place its life these days. I f'n hate it. Cyas.

Lastly..dont bug me in other threads about this one please. Im asking.

[ibdoomed]

I put up wit ha super asshole named CeeKay on GT forever. I asked the mod for help which happened and cut it off and down...maybe a month. But once he started his shit again and nothing was done I had to simply leave a site I loved to use.

It might interest you to know that he disappeared without explanation about a month ago, apparently taking an undefined break from the site.

For myself, I just wish the NSFK thread would go dormant. I don't know what's in there because it's not safe. I imagine it must be babies, or conservatives, or sports, or maybe conservative babies playing sports.

I'm with you on the NSFK thread. I'm not going in there either for the same reasons, conservative babies playing sports.

[FishPants]

I don't think this thread warrants a "I'm taking my ball and going home" response, while I haven't read every post in here I think the way MHS summed it up expresses my personal feelings on the manner.

I can't afford to have the accidental exposure of porno images to my girls as they sometimes shoulder surf while I'm on the sofa reading OO on my ipad. If there's at risk, I just wouldn't be on here when my kids are around, which is pretty much the only time I've got to check in here (work is out too based on my role and potential content issues).

The internet has all the porn you could ever need or want, why do we need to be another outlet for that?

[msduncan]

People at worked get blocked for a reason..you are supposed to work. I can see taking a break and using it..that should be your time.

It's not that simple. I work in a very large corporation. They don't block people individually. They contract with a company that does their blocking for them based on categories provided to them by my company. If a page gets lumped into a blocked category, then it is blocked for everyone.

Therefore, if NSFW threads become prevalent here, it will trigger the threshold or whatever that company uses to tag sites to put them into categories. Some day msduncan is on break or at lunch and casually pulls up OO on the Employee Wireless Network (which is what it is for) and BOOM... I get the auto generated page telling me that WebSense has deemed this site to fall into one of the really naughty categories like hate, drugs, sex.

[Chaosraven]

Meltdown...

Hey wait, WHAT SECRET FORUM?

[Remus West]

Meltdown...

Hey wait, WHAT SECRET FORUM?

You left yourself logged in the day your PM with the code for entry was sent. Your wife read and deleted it. Chaosfarie posts in there all the time.

[Kraken]

If you click Board Index > Other Stuff, you will see the message "You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum." So there really is a secret forum. I assume it's for mods, probably to look at NSFW pictures.

[Blackhawk]

Here's the link. Have fun with it!

[Kraken]

Here's the link. Have fun with it!

"You are not authorised to read this forum."

The intrigue deepens.

[Alefroth]

If you click Board Index > Other Stuff, you will see the message "You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum." So there really is a secret forum. I assume it's for mods, probably to look at NSFW pictures.

There are also 7 hidden users online right now.

[stessier]

I think a more usual question about speech is not why should it be allowed, but why shouldn't it?

Is that where the discussion will start if I decide to start a thread where we can all share our collection of hot beheading pictures?

I'm not using the term "need" as in compulsion. I'm using it in the same vein as "what's the point?".

Of course. You're the one living in a country which prides itself on free speech. I shouldn't have to tell you this. I'm from a country that might prosecute you for hurting someone's feelings. ALL speech should start with a default "sure". If you want to make arguments for restricting specific speech on this private forum go for it. "What's the point?" isn't an argument.

Speech shouldn't need justification to exist. It should need justification to not exist. Your constitution taught me that. While your constitution is limited to government censure, the core concept is valuable in its own right.

I'm truly not trying to be a dick here, it just seems self evident that you've got this backwards. As an interesting piece of trivia, my time spent on OO is what solidified and strengthened my support of free speech in general. Some very smart people made very compelling arguments as to why speech should be by default in the "on" position.

I'm not exactly ashamed of Canada's Freedom of Expression, but I do wish we would adopt the US's stance.

edit: To clarify, this is clearly not a case of Freedom of Speech as defined in your constitution. I only mentioned it because I feel very strongly about the idea of free speech, and your 1st amendment is commendable.

I'm obviously waaaaayy behind, but just wanted to comment on this. I don't think this should be the concern. OO is our house/living room. If it is decided something isn't allowed, it should be because it isn't wanted in that setting. People are free to express themselves in other venues. We don't have to allow all forms of expression in our venue. With such a diverse group (rather than a website run by one person), I would expect the range of expressions to be larger, but far from all inclusive.

[stessier]

Have we considered having an opt-in NSFW forum? It could still be as limited as NSFW content is now, but without say, checking a tick-box on your profile, you wouldn't even be able to see it. People posting from work could just leave it hidden, and non-members (like most scanning bots) wouldn't even be able to see it.

I was wondering if there was a way to block the NSFW tag like I can block a poster I don't want to see. It wouldn't help with web crawlers, but it would help a lot with having EBG open at work and a NSFW titles on the page.

[Holman]

If you click Board Index > Other Stuff, you will see the message "You do not have the required permissions to read topics within this forum." So there really is a secret forum. I assume it's for mods, probably to look at NSFW pictures.

There are also 7 hidden users online right now.

Obviously it's the bot forum. They run this place.

[$iljanus]

Here's the link. Have fun with it!

"You are not authorised to read this forum."

The intrigue deepens.

That's the decoy forum...