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She was the worst of the three to paint, by far, and I'm the least happy with her.
That was more a comment on the card picture and not a comment on your paint job. I think it came out nice. The face could use show more detail, but I still struggle painting flesh and almost never can get face details myself.
I repainted the face twice. The problems with her are that A) there is very little sculpted detail in the face, whether due to the sculpt or the plastic, and B) here skin is so damned pale that the color is very hard to work with while staying with flesh tones.
I know practically nothing about Conan but I'm wondering if she's not supposed to have normal flesh tones. Maybe she isn't pale, she is actually white.
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She was the worst of the three to paint, by far, and I'm the least happy with her.
That was more a comment on the card picture and not a comment on your paint job. I think it came out nice. The face could use show more detail, but I still struggle painting flesh and almost never can get face details myself.
I repainted the face twice. The problems with her are that A) there is very little sculpted detail in the face, whether due to the sculpt or the plastic, and B) here skin is so damned pale that the color is very hard to work with while staying with flesh tones.
I know practically nothing about Conan but I'm wondering if she's not supposed to have normal flesh tones. Maybe she isn't pale, she is actually white.
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Hey BH (or anyone else for that matter...), have you ever used Scale75 metallics with an airbrush? I have some terrain I would really like to airbrush but never done metallic with it before.
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Hey BH (or anyone else for that matter...), have you ever used Scale75 metallics with an airbrush? I have some terrain I would really like to airbrush but never done metallic with it before.
I have not tried them personally, but I know it has been done. I did find this which may be of some use.

Learning my airbrush has become a high priority to me now that I'm no longer painting for RPGs. I've had the thing for years, but mostly only use it for priming, and that's a waste.
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I decided to prime all of the pieces for Call to Arms today as well as the AoS Sequitor pieces. I already removed and built one of the Sequitor figures in order to see how the CA glue worked then realized I should have primed all the pieces while they were still on the sprue but figured I would do all the others. I have a can of Army Painter matte white and a can of matte black. I have only used the spray on primer once before on a couple of board game pieces since the majority of the few figures I have painted so far were all pre-primed. The last time I used the matte white and it came out okay but was sort of spotty rather than smooth but I figured I just needed to more practice and I still had decent coverage. Today I tried the matte black on the Sequitors and on one set of the Call to Arms figures and it worked really well. I got excellent coverage and the details were not obscured in the slightest. The other two sets from Call to arms I used the matte white since one set had lots of skeletons and the other I planned to use brighter colors. Holy cow, but it came out terrible. The pieces are all grainy and super chalky to the point that just handling the sprues left a ton of white grit on my hands. I used the same technique for both cans, same distance, same light sprays back and forth in short bursts. I just finished rinsing off the white pieces since there was no way I could apply paint to them with all that grit, with no scrubbing just running the under the water and light rubbing a good portion of the paint actually came off and I can see the original color of the pieces underneath on a number of the pieces. Now I am trying to decide if I should A) try and soak them in Simple Green and start over, B) just try re-priming with the black primer, C) re-prime using the white again or D) just paint them as is and see what happens. Going to grab a couple of the plastic army men I bought and try using the white primer on them tomorrow to experiment, really wish I had done that first but the black primer worked perfectly. Humidity here was over 80% today, I read that could affect things but that doesn't seem all that high. May have to start using brush on primer or invest in an airbrush.
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Army Painter primers can leave a rough chalky finish in high temps and humidity. They have a really small nozzle and while that’s great for the finish it can cause the paint to dry before it hits the figure. I just did some terrain in skeleton bone and had similar results, but not to the point that the paint chipped off like yours.

I would start over if I were you. Simple green overnight and scrub it away. And if you can get your hands on it, try Vallejo. Or an airbrush.
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Also, you didn’t mention washing your figures before priming. Always wash plastic and resin figures to get rid of mold release agents. Heck, I was metal minis too. Really helps with primer adhesion.
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Thanks for the reply Hentzau. Yep, I gave everything a good rinse before I primed them. I didn't give them as good a scrub as usual because I didn't want to chance breaking anything since it was all still on the sprue and the black worked really well. Also the white paint didn't really chip off some much as it just rinsed off the pieces because it wasn't adhered, it was just grit sitting on the plastic. Normally if this was a figure I would just drop it in a jar of simple green but all of the pieces are still connected to the sprue so my plan is to place them in a large ziplock bag with enough simple green to cover everything laying flat.
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Army Painter primers can leave a rough chalky finish in high temps and humidity. They have a really small nozzle and while that’s great for the finish it can cause the paint to dry before it hits the figure. I just did some terrain in skeleton bone and had similar results, but not to the point that the paint chipped off like yours.

I would start over if I were you. Simple green overnight and scrub it away. And if you can get your hands on it, try Vallejo. Or an airbrush. Image
That's my experience, too. The higher the quality of spray paint (and spray varnish), the more you have to pay attention to the recommended temperature and humidity. It's why I don't spray much anymore. Indiana has about four months out of the year that aren't too hot, too cold, or too wet.

One note: Priming should not result in a solid, heavy coat of paint. It doesn't even need to give 100% coverage. It just needs to give the paint something to stick to. The exception being if you're using contrast paints.
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Army Painter primers can leave a rough chalky finish in high temps and humidity. They have a really small nozzle and while that’s great for the finish it can cause the paint to dry before it hits the figure. I just did some terrain in skeleton bone and had similar results, but not to the point that the paint chipped off like yours.

I would start over if I were you. Simple green overnight and scrub it away. And if you can get your hands on it, try Vallejo. Or an airbrush. Image
That's my experience, too. The higher the quality of spray paint (and spray varnish), the more you have to pay attention to the recommended temperature and humidity. It's why I don't spray much anymore. Indiana has about four months out of the year that aren't too hot, too cold, or too wet.

One note: Priming should not result in a solid, heavy coat of paint. It doesn't even need to give 100% coverage. It just needs to give the paint something to stick to. The exception being if you're using contrast paints.
If you don't spray, what do you use?
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Blackhawk wrote:
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Army Painter primers can leave a rough chalky finish in high temps and humidity. They have a really small nozzle and while that’s great for the finish it can cause the paint to dry before it hits the figure. I just did some terrain in skeleton bone and had similar results, but not to the point that the paint chipped off like yours.

I would start over if I were you. Simple green overnight and scrub it away. And if you can get your hands on it, try Vallejo. Or an airbrush. Image
That's my experience, too. The higher the quality of spray paint (and spray varnish), the more you have to pay attention to the recommended temperature and humidity. It's why I don't spray much anymore. Indiana has about four months out of the year that aren't too hot, too cold, or too wet.

One note: Priming should not result in a solid, heavy coat of paint. It doesn't even need to give 100% coverage. It just needs to give the paint something to stick to. The exception being if you're using contrast paints.
If you don't spray, what do you use?
I’ve used army painter brush on primer to good effect.
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EzeKieL wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:42 am
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:33 am
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:00 pm
Army Painter primers can leave a rough chalky finish in high temps and humidity. They have a really small nozzle and while that’s great for the finish it can cause the paint to dry before it hits the figure. I just did some terrain in skeleton bone and had similar results, but not to the point that the paint chipped off like yours.

I would start over if I were you. Simple green overnight and scrub it away. And if you can get your hands on it, try Vallejo. Or an airbrush. Image
That's my experience, too. The higher the quality of spray paint (and spray varnish), the more you have to pay attention to the recommended temperature and humidity. It's why I don't spray much anymore. Indiana has about four months out of the year that aren't too hot, too cold, or too wet.

One note: Priming should not result in a solid, heavy coat of paint. It doesn't even need to give 100% coverage. It just needs to give the paint something to stick to. The exception being if you're using contrast paints.
If you don't spray, what do you use?
Depends on how many pieces I'm priming. If it is one or two, I'll brush prime. If it is a bunch, I'll airbrush prime. I use Badger Stynlrez for both. I do still have Army Painter primers around, but only for when the weather is just right.
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I primed my call to arms figs this week with the contrast wraithbone primer with no issues. I was also surprised to see the drying time listed on the can before you can start painting is 15 minutes. :shock:

I finished the undead figures yesterday. I used contrast paints for those and it wasn't too tough, so I'll end up probably using them for everything. I've decided that I just don't have the patience, the eyes and steady enough hands to compete with most folks, so I'm just going for table top ready. It's still better than just plopping down unpainted figs.

Here's what some of the stormcloak figures look like before I painted them.

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And here's how one of them looks after I finished yesterday.

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I wonder if I should hit 'em with a highlight brush?
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I have had really good luck with the GW contrast primers. I've used them in all kinds of weather.

Hep, did you wash your figures before priming?
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That's pretty good, I like that you kept the color scheme simple yet vibrant and it has a decent amount of detail. Did you have Mr. Hand helping as well.
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I have had really good luck with the GW contrast primers. I've used them in all kinds of weather.

Hep, did you wash your figures before priming?
I did not. But in all fairness, I really did have no issues with priming, and joking aside, I'm pretty happy with the results I got on my undead figs at least.

But I will make sure I wash the next batch. I always do that with resin and metal figs, but I don't remember ever doing it with plastic, to be honest. I will say that I've painted a ton of Malifaux figs over the years that were hard plastic that I never washed prior to priming, and I've never had an issue with any of them.
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I have had really good luck with the GW contrast primers. I've used them in all kinds of weather.

Hep, did you wash your figures before priming?
I did not. But in all fairness, I really did have no issues with priming, and joking aside, I'm pretty happy with the results I got on my undead figs at least.

But I will make sure I wash the next batch. I always do that with resin and metal figs, but I don't remember ever doing it with plastic, to be honest. I will say that I've painted a ton of Malifaux figs over the years that were hard plastic that I never washed prior to priming, and I've never had an issue with any of them.
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That actually needs to go on my list now that contrast paints have proven to cut down drastically on paint times. I'll try to get a bunch done before our annual holiday game!
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I have had really good luck with the GW contrast primers.
What's the difference between contrast primer and regular primer? I've used contrast paints once, on regular primer, and it seems to work ok.

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Honestly, nothing, other than the are really fine primers that seem to cover a bit better then other primers I've used. And based on their shades (an off white and a very light grey) you will get slight color variations using contrast paints. Because of the transparency of the contrast paints, the base primer coat will have an effect on the final color you get.
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Man. These Elder Scrolls figs are nice, but be careful! Drop that and your Dragonborn is faceless.
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There's a fus ro dah joke in there somewhere, but I can't make it work.

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I thought that was a tick at first...
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Some of the assembly decisions for the figures in elder scrolls are idiotic. Those faces (there are more than one like that) being one of the dumbest.

Also, I just started painting my imperial faction figs this afternoon and realized I was wrong about having no issues with the primer I used. Three of them were so thick in places you couldn’t even make out the detail with my magnifying glasses. I’m soaking them in simple green tonight. Hopefully that will strip it off and I can start fresh Saturday on them.
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This brings up a question I’ve had... do you guys find that building and painting is better or painting, building, then touching up? I’m thinking of the 2nd one (once I get to the minis I have to build) because it seems easier to get to the various details.
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I generally build and paint, as it's easier to get smooth colors over seams, but I've seen plenty of pros who paint and then assemble. It also depends on the joins. If it's a bare arm going into a bare chest, I prefer to assemble first so I can pin it and gap-fill. But there's something to be said for painting first when the gap coincides with a natural gap on the miniature (like a head going into power armor.)
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I almost always build, paint and varnish. I've made some exceptions with these elder scroll figs. Like for the dragonborn, I'm going to wait to attach her shield and scabbard until after painting.

Remember, if you do go down the paint then build route, and you're using polystyrene cement, it can a) wreck paint jobs and b) get a bad bond if it doesn't dissolve enough paint. If you go that route, either scrape the paint off of the point of the join, or use CA glue.
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It's a good idea to scrape the bond regardless, as you risk gluing the paint to the paint rather than the underlying material.
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Skeletons and Duregar from TES:CtA. About 5 hours paint time. Another couple hours assembly time.
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I'm guessing that they're draugr rather than duergar. ;)
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Yeah. Funny that my spell check knew Duregar and corrected to it. Must have been in a D&D discussion.
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Yeah. Funny that my spell check knew Duregar and corrected to it. Must have been in a D&D discussion.
Although the D&D version is duergar rather than duregar, pronounced 'dware-gar'.
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Well, two of my imperial legion soldiers are a loss. They look like gooey messes in most areas as the primer went on way too thick. It obviously has to do with when I primed them, as the rest of my figs are perfectly fine. A third that I primed at the same time is on the edge, but I think I’ll keep it and just use it for practice.

I ordered a replacement set of imperial though. Thankfully this isn’t a terribly expensive company.

Lesson learned...don’t prime in high humidity or early in the morning (which was probably the cause of the higher humidity that day).
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Re: [Miniatures] Painting tips and progress reports (with pics!)

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Could you save them with a soak in simple green?
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Re: [Miniatures] Painting tips and progress reports (with pics!)

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The paint comes off in simple green with no problems, but the primer is so thick and it's so bonded that 3 days of soaking did not even dent it. Ah well, they're cheap. I'll just have some extra imperial figs for games. If anyone wants a Heldvar fig you're welcome to it. I don't think you can have extra heroes in a game.
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Re: [Miniatures] Painting tips and progress reports (with pics!)

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Really enjoying painting these figs.
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