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Well, that or a retributive strike!
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That's unexpected. Upcoming Kickstarter for Pathfinder for Savage Worlds.
I would not have expected Paizo to license out their IP to a competitor, especially so soon after the launch of PF2e.
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Yup...and backed. Looks like they are making class edges to make it more PF / D&D like with classes rather than a bunch of skills.

It's probably going to be a win win. Sounds like they will be making it possible for SW players to pick up old PF modules and run them with a little conversion (extra cash for Paizo) and then some PF players might give this a shot and PEG gets to sell some extra books
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I backed for the rules. I love Golarion (the Pathfinder setting) and there are some great PF modules, but converting from Pathfinder 1e to 2e is a huge pain, and I'm done with crunchy games. Being able to play a few of the modules that have caught my eye over the years (Skull & Shackles, Kingmaker, Reign of Winter, Ironfang Invasion, Rise of the Runelords) with Pathfinder with minimal conversion (I've run enough Savage Worlds to convert on the fly if I had to) would be fantastic.

I just hope I can get my hands on a gaming group in a year or so when such things become possible again.
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I had bought Fantasy Grounds waaay back when it first came out thinking that I might need to play online as it looked like my group was dissolving. It never did so I had shelved it until last spring. It'll never replace face to face gaming but it allowed my group to continue playing during the past year. The automation in it for SW is really good...will actually miss some of it when we get back to face to face
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And I love Pinnacle's Kickstarters. No waiting huge amounts of time for your rewards.. ks finishes in Feb and should have the core rules by April (might be later for some of the other stuff)
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IceBear wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:36 pm I had bought Fantasy Grounds waaay back when it first came out thinking that I might need to play online as it looked like my group was dissolving. It never did so I had shelved it until last spring. It'll never replace face to face gaming but it allowed my group to continue playing during the past year. The automation in it for SW is really good...will actually miss some of it when we get back to face to face
Yeah, I ran a few sessions (of Pathfinder 2e) on Roll20, and would return to an online option if it came to that, but I hate running that way. You can't see the players, can't see their reactions, can't "read the room", which while not my strength, I still found a huge challenge to play without. Is a silence shock, thought, confusion, boredom?
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Agreed...it actually led to two of my players not speaking to each other...the body language being missing from the equation really aggravated their friction.

I wouldn't want to play this way forever
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IceBear wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:24 pm Yup...and backed. Looks like they are making class edges to make it more PF / D&D like with classes rather than a bunch of skills.

It's probably going to be a win win. Sounds like they will be making it possible for SW players to pick up old PF modules and run them with a little conversion (extra cash for Paizo) and then some PF players might give this a shot and PEG gets to sell some extra books
It occurred to me last night that if the bestiary is fully fleshed out, it would be just as easy to use the Savage Pathfinder rules (class edges, etc) to convert and play any of five editions worth of D&D modules, too.
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Yeah...someone was lamenting that they didn't convert D&D 5E. I'm like Pathfinder is D&D. The rules that differentiate between Pathfinder and 5E are going to be the same in SW...the core Savage Worlds rules.

Now...they'll be tweaking them with setting rules for flavor...I wonder if they'll use the Unstoppable rule from Rifts for "boss" monsters to prevent acing dice from killing the dragon outright
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IceBear wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:54 pm Yeah...someone was lamenting that they didn't convert D&D 5E. I'm like Pathfinder is D&D. The rules that differentiate between Pathfinder and 5E are going to be the same in SW...the core Savage Worlds rules.

Now...they'll be tweaking them with setting rules for flavor...I wonder if they'll use the Unstoppable rule from Rifts for "boss" monsters to prevent acing dice from killing the dragon outright
Yep. The difference PF and D&D is mechanical, and those mechanics are removed in this conversion. There may need to be a small tweak to a race, and maybe one or two classes switched if you want to be 'true' to D&D, but in Savage Worlds that's an hour's work before the campaign, nothing more.

Having not tried Rifts, what's the Unstoppable rule? I've had a couple of encounters go sour because of out of control acing (and one that went sour because nobody could manage to ace.)
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There are a couple of rules that help with monster survival.

1) Wound Cap (applies to PCs too): No matter how much damage you take it caps at 4 Wounds. Get hit for 100 damage, just 4 Wounds so if you were unwounded you only have to Soak 1.

2) Fanatics: came with Flash Gordon. Basically if the boss (Ming) takes a hit but there's a nearby minion it'll jump in front and take the hit instead

Then in Rifts, where the damage numbers are crazy they came up with Unstoppable. Think they only gave it to one or two monsters (essentially god-like extra dimensional beings). The gist of the rule is after the damage is soaked the target can only suffer 1 wound. Get hit for 7 wounds (not using wound cap) and fail to soak any...just 1 wound. Considering that the creature in Rifts also had fast regeneration it's pretty much unkillable.

Since larger creatures have more than 4 wounds before being incapacitated probably all they'll need for dragons are the extra wounds plus the Wound Cap rule.

Just the way most D&D adventures are written with climactic boss battles at the end it might leave a weird feeling if the first attack aces like crazy and kills the boss
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IceBear wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:18 pm Just the way most D&D adventures are written with climactic boss battles at the end it might leave a weird feeling if the first attack aces like crazy and kills the boss
Which is exactly what I had happen once. I realized my mistake later - I should have made the actual boss more than just the boss (like a boss plus minions plus apparatus.) That way actually killing the boss would be the easy part - getting to him to kill him, and then stopping what he had in motion would have been difficult. But it was my first campaign in Savage Worlds, and the first campaign I'd run after more than a decade off, so I forgive myself.
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Please bear with me for a proud dad moment. :)

Little B 11.10 had a creative writing assignment to do at school over the past couple weeks, and decided to write up a story based on our current Ghosts of Saltmarsh campaign. She'd been really hesitant to show me what she'd been writing because she didn't think it was any good. I finally convinced her to let me read it tonight before she turns it in tomorrow. I think it's pretty great (and is a very accurate retelling of our first few sessions). Kithna is her halfling rogue, and Khergor is my dwarven Cleric.

She says she wants to continue writing as we move through the campaign. We'll see if that happens, but this was a good start.
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The Saltmarsh Quest

It was a very unusual day in the little town of Saltmarsh, very unusual indeed. Saltmarsh was a quaint little town located on the coast of the Azure Sea. Nothing too exciting ever happened there except for when adventurers came into town.

Kithna Mistward was aggravated, she had just been training her pet mouse, Morning Dew, how to fetch on the dirt road when a bustle of legs came and knocked her off of balance.

"Ugh, they never look down," she muttered.

A group of four strange people passed by Kithna. Right as she was about to yell, she realized that these people were very obviously not townsfolk. For one, one of then had scales!

The newcomers walked in pairs of two. On pair was a dragonborn and a teifling, the other, a human bard, at least Kithna thought she was a human, and a deep gnome. The bard was singing a song and the deep gnome winced when she got to the higher notes. A dragon born is a humanoid dragon figure. It has the scales of a dragon and the face and powers of a dragon, but it mostly walks and talks like a human. A teifling is a basically a person who looks like a demon. They have thick horns atop their heads and long tails.

"Hmm," she muttered.

"KHERGOR!" Kithna yelled.

"What?"

Khergor was Kithna's very good friend. He had a long white beard and gold and silver amour. He wielded a battle hammer and a great axe and hailed the god Torm. He was a cleric, so he both fought for freedom and he was an excellent healer. The most annoying thing about Khergor though, was his complete devotion to his god, Torm. Khergor had to slay all undead to keep his promise to the god, and that, one day, would get them in trouble.

"Khergor, come on!" Kithna yelled, "I think we may have found ourselves some warriors,"

Kithna and Khergor headed together toward the bar. Kithna started to kick a rock down the dirt road and she marveled at some of the things that streetside merchants were selling. Of course she wasn't rich, she and Khergor had just enough money for the two of them.

Kithna Mistward was a halfling. She was about 3 feet tall and was an excellent rogue. A rogue is a thief and Kithna made a profession off of it. Kithna had reddish hair and was dressed in typical black rogue gear. She had a sash on her back and her daggers fastened on her belt. On her side she wore a short-sword in leather patterned sheath. She had piercing green eyes and she had the nasty habit of pickpocketing strangers.

"I saw them walk this way," Kithna said, "What were you looking at?"

"Oh, just a new hammer," Khergor explained, "This one is getting a bit rust... Oh! Here we are!"

Khergor stopped in his tracks and Kithna ran straight into his back. Just as she was about to yelp with pain, she heard muttering coming from a table close to the door. She heard the words money and quest and she thought that now was a perfect time to casually stroll into the tavern.

Kithna whispered into Khergor's ear, "Khergor. I might have just found a way to make us some money. Now listen closely, I have a plan,"

Within minutes, Kithna and her dwarf friend had constructed a fool proof plan, that is if Khergor could manage his part. Kithna walked into the tavern with an air of confidence around her. The muttering stopped. Just then Khergor walked in, and sat at the bar. He decided to order two beers and he and Kithna sat down at the table right behind the warriors. The table in front of them had a Dragon born and a teifling sitting at it. As soon as they sat down, the talking started again. Kithna glanced around the tavern, observing these new adventurers.

The dragon born was about 6 feet tall and he had red-orange scales. He had a great sword in the sheath on his die and he wore nice leather armor. He had a menacing face but he laughed at one of the teifling jokes his face lit up and suddenly he didn't look so frightening anymore. One thing was for certain however, this dragon born was huge and very muscular. The teifling had black skin with white marking on her face and a gold ridge between her white, milky eyes. She wore a basic wizard's robe with a gold embroidery along the edges. She had a mages mark on her hand. She was tall, but not nearly as tall as the dragon born and she was very sleek and graceful. She was the one who had made the dragon born laugh, Kithna guessed.

"Good one Glory!" the dragon born bellowed.

"Haha!" the teifling laughed. "Thanks X!"

Kithna had been listening in and she chuckled a little when she heard the Teifling's joke. It was an old joke that she had heard a while back, but it was a good one. Based off what she had heard, Kithna presumed that the teifling was Glory and the dragonborn was X.

Sitting at a table all the way across the tavern was a pair of adventurers who looked like they were very good friends. One was a deep gnome an the other a human, at least she looked human. The deep gnome had a blueish tint to his skin and he seemed to be wearing a dark cloak with a large imprint of a dragon in the back. He carried a couple of tools on a belt, some of which Kithna recognized as tools some thieves used, but very rarely. He had a short-bow around his shoulder and Kithna guessed he was a ranger. A deep gnome is a kind of short person, they live underground in a place called the under-dark and they have excellent survival skills. He seemed to be talking with an old woman at his table, but Kithna decided to worry about that later, right now she was focused on the bard. The bard had orange hair with streaks of black in some places. She had a quiver of arrows strapped on her back and Kithna could tell that she was definitely a bard based on her upbeat attitude and excitement. She was wearing a tight outfit, not robes but a sleek, smooth clothing. Kithna would have to ask what it was made of later.

This is when Kithna's plan came into action. While she was looking in from outside, she had seen the deep gnome and the bard talking to an old lady and she was wondering why they were so hunched and secretive. Kithna had a sharp eye like that, she could see though lots of things and was rather intelligent. She had decided to pick the table kind of close to these adventurers for a reason. There was a clatter of chairs that made Kithna jump. The dragon born and the teifling walked over to Kithna and Khergor's table.

"Hey. My name is X and this is my friend Glory," the dragonborn said. The teifling gave a small wave in their direction.

"Do you mind if we join you?" she asked.

"Oh! Sure! We don't mind," Khergor exclaimed, happy to meet a dragonborn.

The two adventurers pulled up some chairs and sat down. Kithna held back a cry as the dragonborn accidentally stepped on her foot. "Ooh. I'm sorry," the dragon said with a wince when he realized what he did. "It's fine," Kithna said, trying to look tough in front of this dragonborn. She didn't want to look like a wimp in front of this warrior.

"So," Glory said in a smooth voice, "What are your names?"

"Well," Kithna rubbed her chin in thought. These adventurers told her their names, it was only right to let them know hers. "My name is Kithna and this here is Khergor," Kithna stated, "As a matter of fact, we are looking for some money making opportunity around here."

"Well we are too!" Glory exclaimed. "I am a wizard and X here is an excellent fighter,"

"I am a cleric and Kithna is a rogue," Khergor explained. "Kithna?" Khergor said in a puzzled tone. Kithna was no longer by his side. He looked around and saw Kithna standing behind a woman, pickpocketing a complete stranger. Khergor slapped his forehead. He turned around to face Glory and X.

"Hold on," he said.

He trudged over to Kithna, boots clomping on the floor as he walked. "C'mon, we might have a good shot at getting some money here."

"Fine," Kithna said, reluctantly walking away. She twirled a coin on her knuckles and sat down at the table. She passed the coin over all of her finger and sent it back to the beginning again. The dragonborn looked mesmerized as he stared at the coin.

"Anyways, Kithna here thinks she heard the folks at the next table over taking about a quest. Kithna can you sneak in and go see what they are talking about?"

"Yes," Glory mused, a thoughtful look on her face. "That's a great idea."

Kithna was excited that she got to do her thing and not get in trouble. She snuck over to the table with the Bard and the Deep gnome, and hid under the table while they weren't looking.

"Look, you two have proven useful to me before, you could do it again," whispered a raspy voice. Kithna was not completely sure, but she thought it sounded like the old woman she had seen through the window earlier.

"What do you want from us now Elenor? The last time we took a quest from you it almost got us killed!" a voice said from above. Kithna guessed that this was the deep gnome because the voice didn't sound female in any way.

"I mean yeah, it almost did. We are desperate for money though..." a higher voice, and then it trailed off as if the person who had spoken were considering their options. "That was definitely the Bard," Kithna thought.

"Look, you can take this quest if you want, but if not, i'll go over to those other adventurers over there and offer them the pay," muttered the old woman, which Kithna now knew was Elenor. She saw a gnarled finger point to the table where her companions sat.

"Well," Kithna thought to herself. "What if we make going over to our table the only option. Why wait for the opportunity to come to us, when we can go to the opportunity," Kithna made a quick plan in her head, and then as quietly as possible, snuck back over to the table in which her companions sat.

"Tell us what you heard!" said the dragonborn, who was attempting to whisper.

"Ok guys. See that old lady over there?" Kithna pointed a finger in the direction of the table. "That lady is about to give the other two a money making quest. Fortunately, I have a plan to get that quest for ourselves. Listen closely," Kithna leaned around the table and told everybody the plan.

The group decide to let Glory do the talking. Glory casually walked up to the table in which the Bard and the deep gnome sat.

"So," Glory addressed the the table, "My friend heard that you were offering a quest?"

"Why yes!" Eleanor said, clearly surprised. "These fine adventurers were just about to walk over to you and ask you if you wanted to join them on this dangerous journey!" She elbowed then very slightly.

"Oh! Yes! Of course!" The deep gnome and the bard said in unison. They both were glaring daggers at the old woman.

"Well then," Glory said, a hint of impatience in her tone. Kithna almost squealed with delight. It was just the way she had planned!

"Now listen hear, I have an old house that I need cleared out. It may have some ghosts and zombies but if you clear it, ill offer you 25 gold pieces each," Eleanor said. The adventurers each thought that this was a good deal for just clearing out a house. I mean, how hard could it be?

"Ok. We will take the offer," Glory said, a hint of excitement in her tone.

"The house is on the far side of town. It's a little bit of a walk but you'll know what to do when you get there," Eleanor explained, "Best of luck,"

With that the 4 adventurers departed off on the dirt road towards the house, each thinking of the adventures to come.

To be continued in book 2...
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That's great!
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11? 5th, maybe 6th grade?

Very good for that grade level!
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Zenn7 wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:55 am 11? 5th, maybe 6th grade?

Very good for that grade level!
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Very well done! :D
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