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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:08 pm

DLC for the MoM app announced - coming "this winter" for $2.99 via their Twitter account.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Chaz » Fri Oct 07, 2016 8:43 pm

Oh good, that's a reasonable price. I was worried they'd be charging closer to $10 each for new scenarios.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:24 pm

Yup. If they release scenarios of decent length for that price point, I'll be fine with it. What I'd like to see is a campaign of some type, though
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:46 am

Yeah, it's quite reasonable.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Daveman » Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:53 am

MOAR MADNESS!

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/n ... threshold/

2 new investigators, 1 new monster sculpt, new item/spell/status cards and according to leaked info on BGG 6 new tiles. Also comes with 2 scenarios.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:18 am

They need to up their game on scenarios with these expansions. Two is just not enough. I would prefer a more randomized "dungeon crawl" style scenario that would help alleviate this game's biggest shortcoming.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Chaz » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:06 am

I'm not digging the scarce news of new scenarios too. So far, within the six months after the game's release, they've released or announced:

- Four scenarios with the base game.
- One scenario that requires the 1st Edition base tiles/monsters (or buying the re-release box)
- One scenario that requires the 1st Edition expansions tiles/monsters (or buying the re-release box)
- One scenario compatible with the 2nd Edition base game (possibly for additional cost)
- Two scenarios requiring the just-announced 2nd Edition expansion

Considering each scenario doesn't have a ton of replayability, that's kind of crummy. Especially when their cost to release new scenarios is entirely on the design and writing side, which would likely be able to be done entirely in-house. Getting one new scenario out each month shouldn't be impossible. This slow drip release is kind of lackluster.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Wed Oct 12, 2016 10:57 am

They've put themselves in an awkward position, IMHO and possibly fractured the base significantly and quickly. By releasing all these add on packs/expansions you now have people with copies of the base 2nd edition game and any number of 1st and 2nd edition expansions. If you start building module content, how do you do so in a way that provides value for the people that purchased the base game and $50-100 worth of expansion materials in the last 6 months?

I would fear that unless they do release some type of "dungeon crawl" scenario, this is going to end up a mess.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:04 am

Release a mod kit and let the fans create their own stories (even if it means I have to fight the Muff Monster and use a magic dildo to solve a few scenarios). I doubt they're making much off DLC. They're first and foremost a board game company, so stick to that as the primary income resource for the game and let the community Elder Scrolls the hell out of this.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Lordnine » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:17 pm

Are there multiple branches to the stories like there were in the original game? The Keeper basically filled out a short multiple choice survey that changed the story and locations of items slightly.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:28 pm

Another reason I didn't hang onto my copy for very long.

But the potential to overcome that issue is much greater now with the digital app.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Daveman » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:44 pm

hepcat wrote:I would prefer a more randomized "dungeon crawl" style scenario that would help alleviate this game's biggest shortcoming.
They announced something just like that for the Descent app a week or two ago...

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/n ... ving-deep/

I should think that would be doable here as well.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:49 pm

Yeah, that's what I was more or less alluding to. I had mentioned it earlier. It's a great idea.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:53 pm

How much madness can you stand in one mansion before you just burn it to the ground and sort out the ashes?

Or are we looking at the Winchesters showing up?
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:07 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:How much madness can you stand in one mansion before you just burn it to the ground and sort out the ashes?
Oh, you've played with Zarathud before, I take it?
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Daveman » Wed Oct 12, 2016 5:18 pm

Smoove_B wrote:They've put themselves in an awkward position, IMHO and possibly fractured the base significantly and quickly. By releasing all these add on packs/expansions you now have people with copies of the base 2nd edition game and any number of 1st and 2nd edition expansions. If you start building module content, how do you do so in a way that provides value for the people that purchased the base game and $50-100 worth of expansion materials in the last 6 months?

I would fear that unless they do release some type of "dungeon crawl" scenario, this is going to end up a mess.
I think they'll be OK and appeal to most if they were to:

1. Release "basic" DLC. New scenarios that work with just the Core set, but have greater permutations based on the expansions you own. Seemingly what the winter DLC will be.
2. Release scenarios that tie in with physical purchases, like they've done with the "Figure and Tile" collections and the newly announced "Expansion".

So long as they don't give up on occasionally releasing "basic" DLC, eventually put out:

3. "Deluxe" DLC that requires previous physical purchases. Yes, the Core set owners can't use it, but invested players will get to enjoy deeper scenarios designed around the expanded content they've purchased.

But I'm very interested in a Lovecraft-crawl creator. Have investigators enter a mansion, racing to defeat a monster or achieve some goal and then some dark portal opens, taking them to another area to do the same, repeat until some final confrontation based on how large/long an adventure you selected at the start.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Daveman » Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:02 pm

Nearly finished with painting my collection, couldn't help but post this pic on BGG:

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My wife was shocked I'd "deface" a miniature like this and she was relieved when I showed her I just taped the sign to his axe :)

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by baelthazar » Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:02 pm

Daveman wrote:Nearly finished with painting my collection, couldn't help but post this pic on BGG:

My wife was shocked I'd "deface" a miniature like this and she was relieved when I showed her I just taped the sign to his axe :)
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:23 pm

That's great. Mine are painted in a similar manner so maybe I'll add the same. :D

I'm going to be trying this out for the first time tomorrow night. I had a good experience with the Descent app so I'm hopefully this one works out great too.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:04 pm

It's an absolute blast. I'm trying to make the scenarios last as long as possible, but I doubt I'll hold out much longer.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:10 am

I think for now I'm just going to play with the core 2nd edition materials. After we have a few scenarios down or we somehow amazingly finish all the base scenarios, I can then go back and mix in the expansion / 1st edition material and re-play them with added variety. I said it in the Descent 2nd edition thread, but I actually think mixing in every single expansion and add on made the game extremely difficult for casual players (i.e. us). I'm afraid the exact same thing is going to happen with the MoM material. While I know they want to encourage mixing, the balance just felt really off in Descent 2.0 with the app (and the regular game, quite frankly before the app).

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:40 pm

I don't think that's the case with Mansions of Madness, but I do agree that Descent becomes significantly more difficult with some of the expansion monsters tossed in.

The MoM expansions give you a wider range of items to acquire and tiles to explore, so I feel it's well worth it to play with them added if you have them. The monsters aren't that much harder than those found in the base set, I've found.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:04 am

Played through the tutorial scenario and enjoyed it tremendously....right up until we had to solve the code puzzle at the end. Seriously, screw that nonsense. It actually took me right the hell out of the experience. I know it was a big part of the 1st edition and the app handles it in a much easier way, but it's not fun. There were two other puzzles in the adventure that were easier to solve, but the code took us like 18 attempts, which is nonsense. I'm perfectly happy chucking dice and dealing with results, thanks. Regardless, overall I think I actually I like it more than playing Descent with the app as this feels really close to a PnP role-playing experience. There's tons of flavor and theme with random events and things to resolve. Descent with the app is very much a dungeon crawl focused on combat. Combat wasn't nearly as much of a focus, at least in the tutorial scenario. I had all the investigators painted and my buddy supplied all the painted monsters. No problems with the app either - everything worked flawlessly. I'm liking how Horror and Health are handled and never really knowing exactly what's going to happen as you randomly select cards adds to the theme. I'm really curious to see how the intro scenario would play with a second attempt (how random it is) and whether or not adding the expansions changes things significantly.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Chaz » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:33 am

I haven't run into a code puzzle yet, but I've been worried about those in particular since seeing the instructions about them in the rules. The logic involved and potential number of iterations you might have to run seemed like it might be something I wouldn't dig. Now I'm more worried about them.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:30 am

The code breaking puzzle is the only one I really disliked. I wasn't a fan of the puzzles in the 1st edition either, so at least it's an improvement if they were going to insist on keeping them in the game.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:16 am

It was a code using all 5 potential symbol spaces, with all 5 tiles (I'm not sure if the tiles used ever changes or just the number needed). After playing the game for 3+ hours, it really was a frustrating way to end the game. I'd absolutely love for them to change the puzzle element via a toggle option and would simply prefer making an appropriate check that can be modified in the usual ways. Right before the ridiculous puzzle we had to make a check that allowed us to convert the Investigation icons on the dice into successes by using evidence we'd acquired through exploration. Not only was it thematic (making the check) but information our investigator had could help them pass. The puzzle? Other than getting more turns based on investigator skill, it was up to us to figure it out. I really don't like it.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Zarathud » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:35 am

Yes, I remember that one. It was not easy, but we were lucky in figuring out enough of it the first turn attempts that we squeaked by on the second turn. It helped that I wasn't tipsy.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:53 am

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Daveman » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:13 am

We drew the 5-character code breaker puzzle at the end of our first run through the first scenario and had the same experience as yours Smoove. The 2nd time we played it we had a different map and a very different ending.

Right now, the biggest change in adding the figure and tile collections is that the pool of monsters is much greater. I've tapped through the first scenario a couple times to experiment and have seen lots of different monsters show up. The map layouts right now aren't that diverse. From posts on BGG and FFG forums:
Scenario 1 has 4 map configurations without any of the old stuff. add on 2 more with.
Scenario 2 only has 1 map.
Scenario 3 has 1 map without the old stuff and another with it.
Scenario 4 only has 1 map.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:36 am

That's much less variety than I would have expected and would lead me to believe they really are going to release some type of "Mansion Crawl" to support all the extra tiles.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:38 am

Yeah, that surprises me. I was under the impression that the more expansions you owned, the greater diversity in the map for any given scenario. Obviously that's not the case. :cry:
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:43 am

In case anyone wanted to see a direct comparison of what it looks like with the traditional (yuck) bases vs the clear bases. This photo is titled "Come at me bro."

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:03 am

I think I may have to grab some clear bases and do this. Where did you get your bases?

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Post by Smoove_B » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:11 am

They are from a bag of 25 Litko bases shipped Amazon Prime for $7. I tried pricing out larger bases for the mob and medium sized monsters, but the prices jump significantly. I founds some guy in Texas that has an eBay storefront and he sells them for a much cheaper price than Litko, but everything is bulk-order based and I'm not sure I need 25 mediums. Anyway, the smaller baggies of 25 will cover quite a few of the monsters and all of the investigators so IMHO it's $7 well spent.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Daveman » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:20 am

The game has only been out a few months now, and variability in the maps can be added in via the app so I'm hopeful this is just the start of what will be a more robust system. It's certainly more story/scenario driven at the moment but with what's coming for the Descent and Imperial Assault apps I hope that will change too.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by baelthazar » Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:06 am

hepcat wrote:Yeah, that surprises me. I was under the impression that the more expansions you owned, the greater diversity in the map for any given scenario. Obviously that's not the case. :cry:
Yeah, I have played a few times now and have yet to see my old tiles used. Hopefully this is going to change soon.

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:01 pm

Apparently the $2.99 price listed last month on the upcoming DLC for the app was "in error" and the true price will be $4.99, as per the edited and updated 10/7 post on their Face Book page. :think:

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by hepcat » Thu Nov 03, 2016 2:28 pm

A hope a future DLC is for a sweet looking van.
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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Smoove_B » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:57 am

Played through the Rising Tide scenario last night (took about 4 to 4.5 hours if I'm remembering correctly) and we lost horrifically. I liked how it wasn't just an immediate series of fights (like the other two scenarios we played through) but instead an actual investigation with clues and story interactions with NPCs. It was definitely the closest to an actual PnP RPG experience I've had with the game. According to the app, I've now logged 14 hours with the game - zero problems or bugs. Still enjoying it, just wish we made better guesses at the the point we had a choice because we were wrong and I'm pretty sure that was the reason we all died. :D

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Re: Mansions of Madness - second edition

Post by Xmann » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:58 pm

We've tried a couple games this weekend and we still can't figure out how to use the negates.

Can someone explain that to me?

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