Fundraising complete, next renewal is August 2022. Paypal Donation Links US dollars CDN Dollars

Kickstarter (Merged)

All discussions regarding Board, Card, and RPG Gaming, including industry discussion, that don't belong in one of the other gaming forums.

Moderators: The Preacher, $iljanus, Zaxxon

Post Reply
User avatar
Zarathud
Posts: 14497
Joined: Fri Oct 15, 2004 10:29 pm
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Zarathud »

Cold feet, after looking at the Cave Painting expansion module. Adding an "and-write" mechanic took the shine off, frankly.
"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein
"I don't stand by anything." - Trump
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.” - John Stuart Mill, Inaugural Address Delivered to the University of St Andrews, 2/1/1867
“It is the impractical things in this tumultuous hell-scape of a world that matter most. A book, a name, chicken soup. They help us remember that, even in our darkest hour, life is still to be savored.” - Poe, Altered Carbon
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

Just got my boxes of Altar Quest. Sheesh, that's about 25 pounds worth of gaming. :shock:
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
YellowKing
Posts: 26899
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:02 pm

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by YellowKing »

I'm regretting not backing Altar Quest now; typical KS remorse when people start getting their goodies. I'm consoling myself by diving heavily back into Street Masters.
Black Lives Matter
User avatar
coopasonic
Posts: 17607
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:43 pm
Location: Dallas-ish

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by coopasonic »

YellowKing wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:50 pm I'm regretting not backing Altar Quest now; typical KS remorse when people start getting their goodies. I'm consoling myself by diving heavily back into Street Masters.
I guess it is too late to redirect the delivery. I'm not saying I am not excited about the game, but I played Marvel Splendor yesterday and I am starting to think I just like my games a little bit less complicated. I watched a little bit of an Altar Quest play through and there's just so much going on. It's the Sadler bros playing and they are stumbling though some bits.
-Coop
Black Lives Matter
User avatar
Smoove_B
Posts: 44359
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
Location: Kaer Morhen

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Smoove_B »

I'm teaching myself now and there's definitely a lot going on. I'm having a hard time imagining playing this with more than 2 people, but as a solo game it feels really good (so far). The Arkenspire expansion is much shorter and more tactical in application than the core game (which is weird - it's like a different, shorter game). But the KS stretch goal box doesn't even feel fair for the amount of stuff inside - it's an insane number of figures/cards/scenery/whatever.

Anyway, yes, it does feel bulkier than Street Masters, but the game play loop is more enjoyable than Brook City (for me). From what I understand Hour of Need is going to be more like Street Masters in terms of weight and speed. It's nice they have a variety, at least.
I'm so far off the map the sun is shining
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

In reading the rules, am i correct in stating that they moved the threat phase out of the individual hero turn and made it something everyone does AFTER all players have performed their 3 actions? If I understand that correctly, that's pretty big in terms of making the game flow a bit faster.

I need to unload my copy of Brook City at some point. I really don't see myself playing it again.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
Smoove_B
Posts: 44359
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
Location: Kaer Morhen

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Smoove_B »

hepcat wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:31 pm In reading the rules, am i correct in stating that they moved the threat phase out of the individual hero turn and made it something everyone does AFTER all players have performed their 3 actions? If I understand that correctly, that's pretty big in terms of making the game flow a bit faster.
Correct - and in any order the players choose, meaning you pick a player and resolve all of their threat, then pick the next player, etc... This would allow some strategizing with reaction cards or abilities. I'm going to try to do a limited AAR in the solo thread.
I need to unload my copy of Brook City at some point. I really don't see myself playing it again.
I was thinking of doing the same but then I saw in one of their videos they are considering doing an update (2nd edition?) to the game in response to the criticisms regarding the game play. They didn't offer a specific time table but it sounded like upgrading the existing game would be supported. I still love the art and the theme and had considered looking into the fan-created smaller component options (game board, printing standees) as a way to make it feel like less of a giant, sprawling nightmare.
I'm so far off the map the sun is shining
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

After I get home tonight, put on my back brace and then move the boxes from my car to my dining room, I'll probably start the long process of unpacking and organizing the game. I'm trying to get a game together with one or two other players for this Saturday. But I also want to be a conscientious Covid team player, so we'll see. Definitely playing solo over the Thanksgiving vacation though.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
Smoove_B
Posts: 44359
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
Location: Kaer Morhen

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Smoove_B »

Etherfields was delivered this morning and I think it must contain bits of a neutron star. The box isn't terrible large, but it's surprisingly heavy. I'm seeing mixed reports on game play, but the components all look excellent. I think I'm going to experiment with a "sun drop" technique on the miniatures and see how that works out. After seeing the official versions, I'm a little sad I didn't splurge and pay for it. They seem to have come a long way with mass-producing the sun drop paint jobs and look to be quite good.
I'm so far off the map the sun is shining
User avatar
Blackhawk
Posts: 30656
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:48 pm
Location: Southwest Indiana

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Blackhawk »

YellowKing wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:50 pm I'm regretting not backing Altar Quest now; typical KS remorse when people start getting their goodies.
Hell, I'd just love to stop watching people getting their goodies for stuff that I did back! I've developed a talent for placing orders that result in being in the last group shipped.

For instance, I've got one project that I backed that started shipping two months ago. People who ordered the same thing I ordered were the first out the door and have been playing with their toys for a month! Unless they ordered any add-ons, in which case they were last and haven't even gotten an ETA yet.

I added a single $4 item.
________________________________________
The light at the end of the tunnel

Black Lives Matter
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

Well, I unpacked and organized my copy of Altar Quest, the stretch rewards and the Four Heroes expansion. Couldn’t possibly get them all in one box so I used both the core box and the stretch rewards box. All nice and tidy. I’m not touching the Ruins of Arkenspire for now though.

By the way, I thought Ruins included a new hero? I saw no sign of such though. :?

Edit: never mind. It’s there. Just not immediately available, if you catch my drift.
Last edited by hepcat on Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
Smoove_B
Posts: 44359
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
Location: Kaer Morhen

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Smoove_B »

hepcat wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:30 pmBy the way, I thought Ruins included a new hero? I saw no sign of such though. :?
I want to say they put the character in the stretch goal box instead of the optional expansion as they didn't feel right forcing people to buy the whole expansion just to get a single character.
I'm so far off the map the sun is shining
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

I updated my reply while you were answering.

To summarize: it’s in the arkenspire box. :wink:
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
Smoove_B
Posts: 44359
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
Location: Kaer Morhen

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Smoove_B »

Hmmm, ok. I do really have a fuzzy memory about them saying something related to trying to make sure they weren't "content locking" elements behind optional expansions. Maybe it was more of a mechanical thing and not a character thing. Everything is melding together. :D
I'm so far off the map the sun is shining
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

Considering that one of the expansions is just 4 more heroes, I’m not sure how closely they’re sticking to that.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
Smoove_B
Posts: 44359
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
Location: Kaer Morhen

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Smoove_B »

Dammit. Now I can't remember exactly what they said. Maybe it was making sure that content from one optional expansion wasn't necessary to play something in another optional expansion. I can't remember exactly what the issue is, but I just make sure to buy everything. :D

Like for example, I'm looking at the "all in" Core Space pledge right now and thinking...sure, that looks terrific.
I'm so far off the map the sun is shining
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

By the way, there are four lurker cards with the keyword Rival on them. Those are just for one quest, so don’t mix them in with the rest of the lurker cards. I’ve been reading up on the specifics of what goes with what as their games can sometimes gloss over such things.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
Smoove_B
Posts: 44359
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
Location: Kaer Morhen

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Smoove_B »

Nice catch! I think if you leave them in it just makes the game harder. The other thing that's mentioned but I almost missed is the leveled-up skill cards each character has in their deck - they have a gold bar instead of a grey one; I believe each character has 8.
I'm so far off the map the sun is shining
User avatar
baelthazar
Posts: 3619
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:12 am
Location: Indiana

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by baelthazar »

Be aware guys, I was sleeving my Altar Quest cards and noticed that I got a duplicate pack of Rowen and the pig people but am missing the pack that has two quests and two of my villains (the vampire woman and the pig guy). So I put in a request with Customer Service (who knows how long that will take). I am thankful, however, that I am not missing required elements, as I can still play with other quests and villains until those arrive.
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

Here’s a handy component list to help figure out what you have and what you might be missing.

I’m a little concerned because I’ve now come across about a half dozen tales of missing stuff. I think I’m okay as I organized everything last night and don’t recall anything missing when I was putting cards behind their dividers, but I’m still going to double check.

Two other things to note: there is no divider for the search cards, and due to a manufacturer defect all the merc figures are light blue.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
hentzau
Posts: 14522
Joined: Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:06 am
Location: Castle Zenda, Ruritania

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hentzau »

Just bumped my pledge for Core Space: First Born to the All In Level. I know I would end up buying everything else at retail levels, may as well buy in now and save a few bucks.

It’s been a rough few months with Kickstarter. It’s kind of like after I bought the gaming table my brain just says “Well hell, this is a fraction of that cost!”
"Women are naturally secretive, and they like to do their own secreting." - Sherlock Holmes, A Scandal in Bohemia
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

One other change I REALLY like with Altar Quest is making one of the 6 attributes the determiner for number of dice to use when performing attacks, skill tests, etc.. For example: using a bow you roll a number of dice equal to your agility. Now, the range isn't great (so far I see 1 to 3 as the widest attribute range...but I haven't looked at all the characters), but it's much more thematic for this type of game than just having a card that normally reads "attack with two dice" like Street Masters (although since the cards themselves are the attacks in SM, it doesn't bother me when I'm playing at all).

I think either tomorrow or Thursday I'll set up a solo try to get the rules down. Hopefully Saturday I'll play a two or three player game.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
baelthazar
Posts: 3619
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:12 am
Location: Indiana

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by baelthazar »

It looks like you can still late pledge for Etherfields. Anyone have any thoughts about that? I am regretting not jumping on.
User avatar
Smoove_B
Posts: 44359
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 12:58 am
Location: Kaer Morhen

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Smoove_B »

baelthazar wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:34 pm It looks like you can still late pledge for Etherfields. Anyone have any thoughts about that? I am regretting not jumping on.
My copy arrived the other day and I'm going to try to get it to the table this weekend (after I finish a game of Altar Quest) so I can decide if picking up the W2 expansions are worth it. I've seen quite a few reviews suggesting it's absolutely stellar (with a few minor complaints) so I'm definitely going to prioritize playing.
I'm so far off the map the sun is shining
User avatar
Tao
Posts: 1430
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:47 pm

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Tao »

Received an email about Etherfields on Monday stating my order has been "Placed and Paid" no idea what that means but it sounds like a step up from "Ready for Shipping" so I am excited.
"Don't touch my stuff when I'm dead...it's booytrapped!" - Bender Bending Rodriguez
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

I didn't pay for split shipping. Sad panda. :(
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
baelthazar
Posts: 3619
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:12 am
Location: Indiana

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by baelthazar »

I would only go with the Core and the minis, so stick with purely Wave 1 stuff. That said, I have Tainted Grail sitting here and I wonder if it is a different enough game to justify owning both.
User avatar
coopasonic
Posts: 17607
Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:43 pm
Location: Dallas-ish

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by coopasonic »

Sold my Altar Quest stuff yesterday, still in shrink. Got my money back. I got excited when my son was into Gloomhaven but then he wandered away and now I don't have much use for the more complicated co-ops. Same reason Aventuria went away last weekend. On the plus side I have LOTS of shelf space now.

Steampunk Rally Fusion should be shipping soon. I've played the original a few times so I am more confident on that one, though I am not sure the family will be up for it.
-Coop
Black Lives Matter
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

I did the same thing with Massive Darkness...but because it was TOO simple. Feels good when you get your money back, that's for sure.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
$iljanus
Forum Moderator
Posts: 12432
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:46 pm
Location: New England...or under your bed

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by $iljanus »

hentzau wrote: Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:07 am Just bumped my pledge for Core Space: First Born to the All In Level. I know I would end up buying everything else at retail levels, may as well buy in now and save a few bucks.

It’s been a rough few months with Kickstarter. It’s kind of like after I bought the gaming table my brain just says “Well hell, this is a fraction of that cost!”
Decided to sneak in under the wire and go all in for First Born too. The setting itself isn’t the most exciting for me and I was actually going to pass but all the add ons were really cool and now they’re throwing in a shuttle so I completely crumbled.

I think melding the old and the new stuff should make for some good games though and you get more Trader crews to play around with. Looking forward to some First Ones going up against some Purge as my crew just tiptoes around them with a sack full of booty...
Black lives matter!

Wise words of warning from Smoove B: Oh, how you all laughed when I warned you about the semen. Well, who's laughing now?
User avatar
Lordnine
Posts: 5855
Joined: Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:09 pm
Location: Burlington, VT

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Lordnine »

baelthazar wrote: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:37 pm I would only go with the Core and the minis, so stick with purely Wave 1 stuff. That said, I have Tainted Grail sitting here and I wonder if it is a different enough game to justify owning both.
Early impressions seem to lean towards them being very different games. Differences seem to be:

Tainted Grail works best as a solo game or one other player max due to the amount of combat downtime.
Etherfields is a little more accommodating for more players.
Tainted Grail has slightly better writing and a more cohesive story.
Etherfields has more diverse gameplay with each "mission" playing quite a bit differently.
Tainted Grail is a bit grindy.
Etherfields is slightly easier.

I'm leaning towards Etherfields being the better game for my group.
User avatar
baelthazar
Posts: 3619
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:12 am
Location: Indiana

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by baelthazar »

hepcat wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:03 pm I did the same thing with Massive Darkness...but because it was TOO simple. Feels good when you get your money back, that's for sure.
Same. FWIW, Altar Quest seem much more exciting that MD, thankfully.
User avatar
Blackhawk
Posts: 30656
Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 9:48 pm
Location: Southwest Indiana

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Blackhawk »

I've been going back and forth on First Born. I 100% want it, but it's tied to a big number that I can't really do right now. Still, I was trying to convince myself to stay in with a base pledge because Core Space.

I just found out that two friends backed me an all-in for Christmas (these are the same two guys who backed Gotham City Chronicles for me as a surprise.)
________________________________________
The light at the end of the tunnel

Black Lives Matter
User avatar
hepcat
Posts: 41495
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Chicago, IL Home of the triple homicide!

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by hepcat »

baelthazar wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:33 pm
hepcat wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:03 pm I did the same thing with Massive Darkness...but because it was TOO simple. Feels good when you get your money back, that's for sure.
Same. FWIW, Altar Quest seem much more exciting that MD, thankfully.
I lost my first solo attempt today on the tutorial quest. So much for my concern it might be too easy.

One thing I noticed is that I wasn’t using too many cards. However, that might be why I lost.

Had a blast though. Looking forward to starting a campaign over the holiday.
I beat a camel to death with a monkey. Can I do that?
-Mr Bismarck

You have to whack a few rabbits before you are ready to punch a camel.
-Coopasonic
User avatar
AWS260
Posts: 11509
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:51 pm
Location: Brooklyn

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by AWS260 »

AWS260 wrote: Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:52 pm

I do like games about obscure historical events. And mid-weight worker placement Euros.
I just played this for the first time on TTS. It's really impressive - as you develop towns, farms, and other sites along the rail line, combos start emerging left and right. I'm very happy to have backed it.
User avatar
Anonymous Bosch
Posts: 8725
Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:09 pm
Location: Northern California [originally from the UK]

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by Anonymous Bosch »

Nemo's War remains one of my favourite solo games, so I'll be backing the Journey's End expansion for sure (and would highly recommend grabbing the 'Ultimate Edition' for those who have otherwise missed out):

Nemo’s War: Journey’s End Expansion & Ultimate Edition

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." -- Daniel Webster
User avatar
YellowKing
Posts: 26899
Joined: Wed Oct 13, 2004 2:02 pm

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by YellowKing »

Yep, that was in insta-back for me. I already have all the other expansions so $29 was a cheap date for the best pure solo game I own.

I've probably mentioned this before, but when I went to GenCon for the first time I was looking for Nemo's War in particular as I had heard so many good things. We're walking past the Victory Point booth and I saw a guy demoing it and ran up and exclaimed, "I WANT THIS GAME!" He looked a bit shocked/amused and directed me to where I could pay for it along with a bunch of other promo items. We talked to him for a few minutes about the game and then went about our way.

It wasn't until I got home and was looking up gameplay videos that I realized the guy I had talked to and bought the game from was the designer, Alan Emmerich. :D
Black Lives Matter
User avatar
AWS260
Posts: 11509
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:51 pm
Location: Brooklyn

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by AWS260 »

I love Nemo's War -- so much that I have no desire to get any expansions. The core game is wonderful, I don't need more!
User avatar
wonderpug
Posts: 10049
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:38 pm
Location: Albuquerque, NM

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by wonderpug »

AWS260 wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:34 pm I love Nemo's War -- so much that I have no desire to get any expansions. The core game is wonderful, I don't need more!
You're not doing 'fear of missing out' right.
User avatar
AWS260
Posts: 11509
Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:51 pm
Location: Brooklyn

Re: Kickstarter (Merged)

Post by AWS260 »

I made up for it by ordering cosmetic tchotchkes for my Glorantha: Gods War pledge.
Post Reply