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Tell me all your Magic The Gathering stories

Post by JSHAW » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:14 pm

I recently got into MTG in late january, and I've been buying/acquiring cards, sets, collections, etc. ever since.

The other day I bought 7000 bulk cards, mostly commons and uncommons from my local game store, got another 3000 from ebay, and had already purchased 7,200 last month from the same LGS. I bought a sealed booster box of Ultimate Masters for $350, and Dominaria for $125.

That's not all I have bought, leaving alot of the good stuff out, maybe for another post another day, maybe some pics of the collection.

I haven't played a single game...yet. I like the art work on the cards, I like the physical act of cracking open booster packs, getting really cool
rare and mythic rare cards, the process of sorting cards and putting them in their individual color groups (white, red, blue, black, green) is
something that keeps me entertained and gives me something to do during my days.

I've been able to finance my Magic card buys by selling off ALL xb1 console games, and an extra system I had, sold off some
collectibles and have been able to make alot of sales using the OfferUp app. Sold an Original Charlotte Hornets Starter jacket to a guy for $80

So...I'm hooked, cardboard crack. WORTH IT!!!

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Post by YellowKing » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:45 am

I haven't played in about 20 years, but there was a time when I was pretty heavily into it. Enough so, at least, that I participated in a few weekly tournaments.

I kick myself constantly that I didn't hold on to my cards, as they'd probably be worth a good bit today. At some point I must have thrown them out. There was never a thought that Magic would not only still be around two decades later, but thriving.

I've mentioned it in another thread before, but I was talking to the owner of our local game store which does a lot of online business in Magic cards, and I was asking him how he thought our area was able to support a board gaming store for as long as it had (it's been here about a decade). He replied that he could literally stay in business on the revenue from Magic: The Gathering ALONE. The board games were all just side money. I was pretty astounded. :shock:

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Post by JSHAW » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:04 am

My local game store is called Parker, Banner, Kent & Wayne, website is www.pbkwcomics.com, he has a long history of being a huge fan of comics, his personal story is on the site. His store at one point had comics, and board games. Now an entire side of the store is an area for magic tournments and
for people to play board games.

I've seen the transformation of his store into a huge MTG gaming/meeting place, tournaments, sales, he does it all.

From my perspective I'm seeing a huge surge in the popularity of MTG, and it's stores like his that are keeping it alive and well.

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Post by hepcat » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:13 am

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I've mentioned it in another thread before, but I was talking to the owner of our local game store which does a lot of online business in Magic cards, and I was asking him how he thought our area was able to support a board gaming store for as long as it had (it's been here about a decade). He replied that he could literally stay in business on the revenue from Magic: The Gathering ALONE. The board games were all just side money. I was pretty astounded. :shock:
I've heard from someone who worked for a distributor that this is often the case for game/comic stores. It's either Magic or Pokemon. The latter is still pretty huge, I guess. Go figure.

I played briefly in college. Wasn't really my bag back then. So I traded all my first run cards (around 300) to a friend for some computer games. Those cards are probably worth thousands of dollars now. :x
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Post by MonkeyFinger » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:34 am

As I mentioned in another thread, my FLGS (which handles a plethora of board games, miniatures, comics and coffee) only deals with Magic when it comes to CCGs. They were happy to take mine off my hands. :D
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:41 am

JSHAW wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:14 pm
I recently got into MTG in late january, and I've been buying/acquiring cards, sets, collections, etc. ever since.

The other day I bought 7000 bulk cards, mostly commons and uncommons from my local game store, got another 3000 from ebay, and had already purchased 7,200 last month from the same LGS. I bought a sealed booster box of Ultimate Masters for $350, and Dominaria for $125.

...

So...I'm hooked, cardboard crack. WORTH IT!!!
I did this with baseball cards for a few years starting around 2012. Loved it as a hobby and relaxer but it eventually got way too big. The last two years I've been selling off and am down to a small, focused collection. Probably spent $8K, churned several times that, and have around $3k worth left as a limited collection. Storage is a PITA so it's all about consolidating


Obviously it's different with Magic since you build decks and whatnot but I get it.



Here's a story. I had a ton of 2011Mike Trout rookies. I was selling them at $10/pop back when a box was $60 and easily had 3 or 4 plus tons of other cards. Felt like...cheating. I probably sold 40 like that. Well, joke was on me. Fast forward 7 years or so and I had a few left lying around and sent them off in my latest consignment batch. First one up sold for $379. I yanked the rest back. :shock: :grund:
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Post by Blackhawk » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:49 am

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I've mentioned it in another thread before, but I was talking to the owner of our local game store which does a lot of online business in Magic cards, and I was asking him how he thought our area was able to support a board gaming store for as long as it had (it's been here about a decade). He replied that he could literally stay in business on the revenue from Magic: The Gathering ALONE. The board games were all just side money. I was pretty astounded. :shock:
That's actually become a big problem in the stores around here. There are actually two 'board game' stores in Terre Haute that ostensibly sell board games, RPGs, and CCGs. Walk through the door in either and the staff walks right up to you, ready to please. The second they find out you're there for the 'side' products and not CCGs, they turn their back on you and walk away. Their board games are out of date, out of stock, or over priced. And if you have a problem with one after purchase, you're fucked. I've heard similar horror stories about stores from other places. They're run by hobbyists, not business people, and they don't give a damn about customers that aren't interested in their money makers.

And these are the stores that big board game companies are forbidding online sales in order to support. Of four tabletop stores within about 70 miles of me, three are like that.
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Post by El Guapo » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:18 pm

I started playing Magic in middle school (around 1994-1995) and played through high school. I sold my most valuable cards on eBay a couple years ago, and netted ~ $1,200 total. And the thing is that I missed the real gold rush - I started during Revised Edition, and if you started during the edition right before that (Unlimited) you were opening packs with some cards that are now worth $200 - $500 per card. The shame is that in high school one friend with parents who basically bought him everything (so he had every one of the out-of-print "power cards") had a going out of business sale when he was quitting Magic, and sold all of those cards for 70%+ discounts. I did buy one power card (Mox Sapphire) from that sale for around $70, but if I had been smart I should've borrowed money from my parents, bought literally everything, then sold a few of the cards to pay my parents back almost right away, and then made huge profits from everything else. Oh well.

My one regret (I guess aside from that) is that at one point I had a pretty killer type II merfolk deck. I took it to one tournament and went undefeated in the main round, before losing in the playoffs to a deck I had (narrowly) beaten during the main round. My regret is that I really should've taken that deck around to a bunch of tournaments, as I think I would've won one sooner or later.

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Post by hentzau » Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:59 pm

I was there when Magic was born, my friends. I was at the Gen Con where it premiered. Everywhere you saw people sitting wherever you could find space, playing this card game.

So of course, we each bought a beta deck and like 2 booster packs...it was the limit as to what you could buy at the time. We were instantly hooked. We wanted more!

And then, you couldn't get more. It was gone. Sold out everywhere. When a store would get in boosters, they would mark them up, or only sell by the case. And because we were stuck playing with the same cards over and over, we got bored. And lost interest. And moved on to other things, and eventually gave away our starter beta decks and cards to a buddy.

So I avoided the money pit that is M:tG. But I found other things to spend the money on. :)
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Post by hentzau » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:01 pm

Forgot I uncovered this while clearing out my game room...the premier issue of The Duelist, the magazine dedicated to playing. M:tG.

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Post by Archinerd » Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:08 pm

Toy Boat Mayhem

My brother came up with this format a few years ago. Goals were to promote varied decks and avoid 'mana screw'. You don't have to keep spending money on the game either if you can convince your opponents to play this format.
It actually works quite well.

Lots and lots of more info at the linked site above.

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Post by YellowKing » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:31 pm

Blackhawk wrote:The second they find out you're there for the 'side' products and not CCGs, they turn their back on you and walk away.
Yikes! I consider myself very fortunate then.

This store not only has the latest releases, they're extremely reasonable. Typically they charge about what I'd pay buying it online with shipping, so I buy local whenever possible.

The staff is also exceptional - they're very attentive and I've seen them go out of their way to help game "n00bs" and others who aren't very comfortable in a store like that. They're also constantly promoting events to help people learn new games or bring in families.

A little later this year they're expanding into the next door space and opening a full gaming cafe, which I'm really excited about.

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Post by Blackhawk » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:31 pm

I've generally found that there are four types of dedicated game stores:

~Hobby game stores, like what you described. We're lucky to have one around, although it's the furthest from me. They tend to be friendly, helpful, enthusiastic, and a fair.
~Boutique game stores. They only carry a few top releases, don't do events, and good luck ever finding a sale - everything is at the highest price they can get away with.
~GW stores. They look like hobby stores, but exist for the sole purpose of Games Workshop products. They tend to be friendly, but a little elitist. They aren't too bad, though, and the larger ones can pull off hobby store at the same time.
~MtG stores. These look like hobby stores, too, but are generally focused around Magic, and only Magic (/Pokemon/X-Wing/etc.) They tend to be the most elitist and most unfriendly to people not interested in games that don't require continuous investment.

GW stores seem to be getting rarer, and in my experience, it is the hobby game stores that are the most likely to go out of business. Sadly, they all require one of the 'big' properties to stay in business these days.
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Post by Redfive » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:32 am

Don't want to stray too far from the OP, but this is the FLGS about two blocks from where I work. It is absolutely awesome.

I believe they move quite a bit of magic product and they hold tournaments as well, but as you can see from the gallery on the site, they cater to tabletop gamers (including / especially D&D) and Ren Faire enthusiasts. They charge MSRP for all products so you can find everything cheaper online. I just like to support the awesome environment they have cultivated.
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Post by JSHAW » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:26 pm

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Don't want to stray too far from the OP, but this is the FLGS about two blocks from where I work. It is absolutely awesome.

I believe they move quite a bit of magic product and they hold tournaments as well, but as you can see from the gallery on the site, they cater to tabletop gamers (including / especially D&D) and Ren Faire enthusiasts. They charge MSRP for all products so you can find everything cheaper online. I just like to support the awesome environment they have cultivated.
That's a real nice place, I like the wooden tables and chairs. It has that "medieval times" feel to it.

I'm not the expert of local game stores, but I feel that game stores survive and last by selling products that people want, at a reasonable price
with customer service that's not too pushy, that's friendly without being too intrusive and continue to strive to be the best game store they can be.

It's very easy to buy everything on amazon, there's way more risk in being a game store owner and making ends meet, meeting payroll, keeping the rent paid and the lights on. I respect the entrepreneur who has the balls to go brick and mortar.

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Re: Tell me all your Magic The Gathering stories

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hentzau wrote:
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So I avoided the money pit that is M:tG large profits from buying cards back then. But I found other things to spend the money on. :)

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Post by hentzau » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:16 pm

El Guapo wrote:
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So I avoided the money pit that is M:tG large profits from buying cards back then. But I found other things to spend the money on. :)
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Post by El Guapo » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:40 pm

hentzau wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:16 pm
El Guapo wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:45 pm
hentzau wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:59 pm


So I avoided the money pit that is M:tG large profits from buying cards back then. But I found other things to spend the money on. :)
Potato, potato.
Not to get off track, but doesn't it need to be "potato po-tah-to"? Otherwise you're just repeating the word potato twice.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:06 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:40 pm
hentzau wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:16 pm
El Guapo wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:45 pm
hentzau wrote:
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So I avoided the money pit that is M:tG large profits from buying cards back then. But I found other things to spend the money on. :)
Potato, potato.
Not to get off track, but doesn't it need to be "potato po-tah-to"? Otherwise you're just repeating the word potato twice.
Potato, potatoe

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Post by Skinypupy » Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:58 pm

I made a very concerted effort to get into MtG with Little B 10.0 last year. We bought about 10 different starter decks and a few booster packs, and we used to play pretty regularly. Problem was that neither of us could really figure out how to build decks (and didn't really feel like dedicating the time to learning), so it kinda fizzled out. Opening boosters ended up feeling like more of a chore, because we would have to try (unsuccessfully) to figure how how these new cards jived with what we already had. We also ran into a barrier because all of her friends are into Pokemon and kept telling her MtG is "creepy", which really limited her excitement. We did have some better luck with the digital versions, as the flashy bells and whistles are pretty cool and it managed all the rules.

I'm hoping that she'll eventually give it another shot. If not, I've still got the Wonder Twins...once they can handle the math.
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:10 pm

For deck building, look for card synergies and stick to 2-3 colors max. Use a range of costs with a good structure of cheap stuff to get started early.

My personal favorite deck, which took way too long to get running, was a Blue-White-Artifact deck that had Phantasmal Walls (7/4 Flying, First Strike), Animate Wall so that I could attack with them, and a Skull Catapult.

I won one game when my opponent was down to 9 points. I hit him with the wall unblocked, then used the Skull Catapult for the last two points.

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Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:18 pm

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I made a very concerted effort to get into MtG with Little B 10.0 last year. We bought about 10 different starter decks and a few booster packs, and we used to play pretty regularly. Problem was that neither of us could really figure out how to build decks (and didn't really feel like dedicating the time to learning), so it kinda fizzled out. Opening boosters ended up feeling like more of a chore, because we would have to try (unsuccessfully) to figure how how these new cards jived with what we already had. We also ran into a barrier because all of her friends are into Pokemon and kept telling her MtG is "creepy", which really limited her excitement. We did have some better luck with the digital versions, as the flashy bells and whistles are pretty cool and it managed all the rules.

I'm hoping that she'll eventually give it another shot. If not, I've still got the Wonder Twins...once they can handle the math.
Honestly, if her friends are into Pokémon, I'd avoid swimming upstream and just go in that direction. The social aspect will make it much more fun for her. And while I've never played the game, it seems to have a significant enough fan base that it's probably not terrible at least.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:24 pm

Especially given the upcoming release of the Eighth Generation game and ensuing sets.

7th Gen Sun and Moon had Team Up drop in February and Unbroken Bonds will drop in May.

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El Guapo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:18 pm
Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:58 pm
I made a very concerted effort to get into MtG with Little B 10.0 last year. We bought about 10 different starter decks and a few booster packs, and we used to play pretty regularly. Problem was that neither of us could really figure out how to build decks (and didn't really feel like dedicating the time to learning), so it kinda fizzled out. Opening boosters ended up feeling like more of a chore, because we would have to try (unsuccessfully) to figure how how these new cards jived with what we already had. We also ran into a barrier because all of her friends are into Pokemon and kept telling her MtG is "creepy", which really limited her excitement. We did have some better luck with the digital versions, as the flashy bells and whistles are pretty cool and it managed all the rules.

I'm hoping that she'll eventually give it another shot. If not, I've still got the Wonder Twins...once they can handle the math.
Honestly, if her friends are into Pokémon, I'd avoid swimming upstream and just go in that direction. The social aspect will make it much more fun for her. And while I've never played the game, it seems to have a significant enough fan base that it's probably not terrible at least.
We actually gave Pokemon a very concerted effort as well. We found that while she loved the cards and the whole "collection" aspect of getting new monsters, neither of us really liked the actual game itself at all. In fact, she's the one who asked that we quit playing it because it was "so lame".

Funny thing is, she confided to me that of all her friends that soured her on MtG, there's only one who knows how to actually play Pokemon. The rest just collect the cards and have no clue about the game itself. :lol:
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:33 pm

Sounds like a trip to the local game store is in order for game night.

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Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:26 pm
El Guapo wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:18 pm
Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:58 pm
I made a very concerted effort to get into MtG with Little B 10.0 last year. We bought about 10 different starter decks and a few booster packs, and we used to play pretty regularly. Problem was that neither of us could really figure out how to build decks (and didn't really feel like dedicating the time to learning), so it kinda fizzled out. Opening boosters ended up feeling like more of a chore, because we would have to try (unsuccessfully) to figure how how these new cards jived with what we already had. We also ran into a barrier because all of her friends are into Pokemon and kept telling her MtG is "creepy", which really limited her excitement. We did have some better luck with the digital versions, as the flashy bells and whistles are pretty cool and it managed all the rules.

I'm hoping that she'll eventually give it another shot. If not, I've still got the Wonder Twins...once they can handle the math.
Honestly, if her friends are into Pokémon, I'd avoid swimming upstream and just go in that direction. The social aspect will make it much more fun for her. And while I've never played the game, it seems to have a significant enough fan base that it's probably not terrible at least.
We actually gave Pokemon a very concerted effort as well. We found that while she loved the cards and the whole "collection" aspect of getting new monsters, neither of us really liked the actual game itself at all. In fact, she's the one who asked that we quit playing it because it was "so lame".

Funny thing is, she confided to me that of all her friends that soured her on MtG, there's only one who knows how to actually play Pokemon. The rest just collect the cards and have no clue about the game itself. :lol:
Ok. Then try to steer her towards board games (or P&P RPGs, if you are so inclined - with luck you'll avoid the recurring costs of CCGs that way.

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Ok. Then try to steer her towards board games (or P&P RPGs, if you are so inclined - with luck you'll avoid the recurring costs of CCGs that way.
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