WW- Bond Epilogue - The Davos Initiative

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:07 am

I was leaning Lagom & Isgrimnur but I think you may be right. Lagon listed Chaos & Isgrimnur, not sure he would throw his partner under the bus so quick since he said he was leaning Isgrimnur first.

I'm more comfortable with Isgrimnur than CHaos but we still have to hit tomorrow if we guess correctly today.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:46 am

Lassr wrote:I was leaning Lagom & Isgrimnur but I think you may be right. Lagon listed Chaos & Isgrimnur, not sure he would throw his partner under the bus so quick since he said he was leaning Isgrimnur first.

I would totally do that though.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:57 am

Lagom Lite wrote:
Lassr wrote:I was leaning Lagom & Isgrimnur but I think you may be right. Lagon listed Chaos & Isgrimnur, not sure he would throw his partner under the bus so quick since he said he was leaning Isgrimnur first.
I would totally do that though.

yeah...maybe it's Lagon and Chaos then...

meh, I think I'm ready.

I want to vote Isgrimnur and then if that's a hit, probably go for Chaos tomorrow.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:03 am

Well, I guess that's a pretty firm consensus that everyone wants to vote for me. Enjoy your miss and losing the game, fellow agents. Please bury me in the Brookwood Military Cemetary when you're done with the investigation.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:10 pm

Lagom Lite

Let's see what happens.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:27 pm

Lagom gets my vote because he didn't vote for Theo, flip-flopped on the Remus vote, and voted for Grund. I fully intended on voting for Isgrimnur, but something about Lagom and Isgrimnur's last posts changed my mind.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:14 pm

I'll set the table in the other direction, then, and go with Chaosraven

.

There's a pretty good groundswell in that direction as well. If anything, this will should put it to rest that I'm not in some evil cabal with him.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:16 pm

msteelers wrote:Lagom gets my vote because he didn't vote for Theo, flip-flopped on the Remus vote, and voted for Grund. I fully intended on voting for Isgrimnur, but something about Lagom and Isgrimnur's last posts changed my mind.

Well, hmmm. So you leaning Lagom and Chaosraven now? Or do you think Lagon really did try to throw his partner Isgrimnur under the bus?

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:29 pm

Lassr wrote:
msteelers wrote:Lagom gets my vote because he didn't vote for Theo, flip-flopped on the Remus vote, and voted for Grund. I fully intended on voting for Isgrimnur, but something about Lagom and Isgrimnur's last posts changed my mind.
Well, hmmm. So you leaning Lagom and Chaosraven now? Or do you think Lagon really did try to throw his partner Isgrimnur under the bus?

I honestly don't know. Chaos is still high on my threat list... but I haven't completely moved Isgrimnur to the innocent group either. I just had a gut feeling that Isg was a miss and the more I stared at the thread the more I felt like Lagom was long overdue. My thinking is not to worry so much about the partner situation, as that could get us into trouble for tomorrow even if we find a wolf today.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:36 pm

As I said my original intuition after rereading was Lagom & Isgrimnur. Everyone else was creeped out by Chaos lurking in the shadows, as was I, and thought maybe he is a wolf. But to add him to my list I had to remove one and Isgrimnur just seemed more a sure thing than Lagom.

Gah! I hate these sudden death lynches! Score a hit and continue in OT, miss and game over.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:41 pm

You know what, screw it, quit second guessing and go with my original feeling; let's see what happens:

Lagom Lite

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:51 pm

4 votes for majority

MARKED FOR DEATH

Lagom Lite (2): Msteelers, Lassr,
Chaosraven (1): Isgrinmur,

No Votes cast: Semaj, Lagom Lite, Chaosraven,

If I missed anything please let me know

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 5:49 pm

Moderator note: I will be away from the computer until late tonight shortly. If anything happens, do not expect a write up until late pacific time (ie around 11 Pm pacific).

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:08 pm

Ouch. Too much? Sorry if my antagonism and pride in evil competence cost us the game. Lynching me equals a big fat win for Spectre.

I guess I better start cracking on writing flavor for Cask of Amontillado.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:10 pm

I guess I'll be dead in a few hours, unless Msteelers or Lassr is Spectre.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 7:59 pm

Holy Crud... interesting move Lassr...

So now the question is:
1) is Lassr right
2) Is it Isgrimnur/Msteelers
3) is it Lassr/Isgrimnur or Lassr/Msteelers

This just became highly interesting

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:05 pm

Semaj wrote:Holy Crud... interesting move Lassr...

So now the question is:
1) is Lassr right
2) Is it Isgrimnur/Msteelers
3) is it Lassr/Isgrimnur or Lassr/Msteelers

This just became highly interesting

its obviously not you and me if lagom isn't spectre. As well, it isn't isgrimnur and me, or isgrimnur and you. It does throw a minor wrench into my lagom n msteelers scenario, though.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:35 pm

Msteelers and isgrim split thier votes. Allows wolfy partner to pull off other vote to finish off vote.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:42 pm

Isgrim votes for chaosraven, diverting attention from lagom vote. Good play for wolf partner if thread supports likely voting.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:46 pm

Lassr adds vote to lagom. Either has no fear that wolves will jump the vote or figures discussion time is done.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:52 pm

I completely forgot another viable option is one of us is holding off our votes until the second vote hits.

Damn the man....

Regardless.. this definitely ramps things up.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:04 pm

withdraw Lagom Lite

I took the chance with msteeler. Chaos is here and didn't vote, he could be waiting for isgrimnur to show back up or he is innocent and doesn't want to make a wrong move.

So let's discus

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:09 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Msteelers and isgrim split thier votes. Allows wolfy partner to pull off other vote to finish off vote.

that's why I withdrew my vote now. You are here and if you were trying to get Isgrimnur (or msteeler)to show up I didn't want two quick votes.

Seems obvious then the evil is not semaj AND Chaos, which none of us really thought anyhow.

I think it is Isgrimnur

& Chaos or Lagom (I'm unsure about the last one but I'm pretty sure Isgrimnur is one).

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:15 pm

Chinstache, yer a lunatic. If it had been any two of (isgrim, chaos, semaj) you would have cost us the game.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:16 pm

Lagom pops in and says "guess I'll be dead in a few hours" leaves without a vote. Giving up too easy for a good guy. Isgrimnur was basically the same.

I think these are the 2 bad guys.

So, how about it everyone? DO we agree or is there further discussion?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:18 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Chinstache, yer a lunatic. If it had been any two of (isgrim, chaos, semaj) you would have cost us the game.

yep but my gut says Lagom and Isgrimnur. I felt safe with the vote or I never would have taken the chance

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:19 pm

Within (lagomlite, msteelers, lassr) there must be at least one wolf.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:20 pm

anyway I look at it those 2 always top my list. Chaos is a close 3rd.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:22 pm

Need to revise my notes, as msteelers/lagom combo less liekly now.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:25 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Need to revise my notes, as msteelers/lagom combo less liekly now.

I don't think so either. I had backed off the Isgrimnur/Lagom Lite team after Lagom said Isgrimnur was his top suspect but then Lagom didn't vote for him at anytime, even after he got 2 votes. He also said he would use that strategy as an evil, which in this case I think he is hiding behind the truth that he did use that strategy as a bad guy.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:27 pm

but I feel safer pushing Isgrimnur first. because the last one then could be you, Chaos, instead of Lagom. Have I said how much I hate being in this position!

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:29 pm

although we lose if its the case, it would be funny if the last two wolves were lassr and chaos...

Seriously... you two are just en fuego atm.

Did anyone not sign in since the voting started? Is this sort of checking allowed or considered too meta?

did this voting really change anything? Although its nice to see chaos posting *dirty look*

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:34 pm

Semaj wrote:although we lose if its the case, it would be funny if the last two wolves were lassr and chaos...

Seriously... you two are just en fuego atm.

Did anyone not sign in since the voting started? Is this sort of checking allowed or considered too meta?

did this voting really change anything? Although its nice to see chaos posting *dirty look*

It's usually frowned upon to look at profiles to see if they checked in, but OK to use the fact that they haven't posted in a while against them.

What are your thoughts now, any change of mind? We have to vote eventually.

We are safe now as Lagon has 1 vote, Chaos has 1 vote and Isgrimnur has 1 vote.

Where do we go from here?

#1 Isgrimnur
#2a Lagom
#2b Chaos

my rank.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:36 pm

Semaj wrote:
did this voting really change anything?

well, we know 1 of you (Chaos/semaj) is NOT a bad guy due to not piling on the vote.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:49 pm

Msteelers, lagom lite, lassr, and semaj put ISGRIM in top suspicion. Msteelers also had CHAOS. Msteelers then votes for LAGOM. Lagom also had (msteelers/chaos). Lagom votes for nobody. Lassr also had LAGOM. Lassr then votes for LAGOM. Semaj also had CHAOS. Semaj votes for nobody. Isgrim had no list, votes for CHAOS. Chaos had MSTEEL/LAGOM, chaos voted for nobody.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:57 pm

I am torn. I see partner moves in msteelers/isgrim and lagomlite/isgrim. My fixation on msteelers goes back to the beginning. And I have had issues in past games being able to read lagom.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:50 pm

Chaosraven wrote:I am torn. I see partner moves in msteelers/isgrim and lagomlite/isgrim.

Be torn all you want, you're at least 50% wrong on both cases.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:54 pm

Lassr wrote:
Semaj wrote:
did this voting really change anything?
well, we know 1 of you (Chaos/semaj) is NOT a bad guy due to not piling on the vote.

we pretty much knew this before hand. Well I did...

As for Chaos/Isgrim, I dunno.. I mean yeah it makes me warm n fuzzy if thats right. But I dont know if i can lynch chaos for his play yet. I do love the Isgrim/Msteelers combo... The problem is, it feels obvious, which means either I am a genius or wrong.

People Left
Msteelers
Lassr
Isgrimnur
Me
Lagom
Chaosraven

Votes on:
Msteelers, Lassr, Isgrimnur
Votes off: chaosraven, Me, Lagom

Known: Semaj and Chaos cannot both be wolves. (Sidenote: Semaj isnt a wolf, but I digress)

POssible occurneces:
1) in the group of Msteelers,/Isgrimnur/Lassr are 1 wolf in the the group of Chaos/Lagom is another (since I am not a wolf I am golden for my thought process)
They tried to get votes on by having 1 person vote with 1 waiting in case a third vote hit.
2) no wolves in voting.. Meaning Chaos and Lagom are our wolves.
3) 2 wolves in the voting.

Since this does NOTHING to clear things up, I shall continue.
People who have Isgrimnur on their list:
Msteelers, Lagom, Lassr and Me.
2 wolves in this list? POssibly.. if not the remaining wolves are prolly Isgrim and Msteelers... which would make me o so happy.

So here is all I want... Lassr, splain your voting thought process. I kinda get it... but putting the second vote on 2 different people is kinda odd.
Chaos.. Your at least explaining in your short posts, which I appreciate. you said in the group of (Lagom, Msteelers and Lassr) is at least 1 wolf. Is this because they all had votes and no one died? Are you not accepting Isgrim may have been AFK and unable to help pile on?

Msteelers: Seriously, post something... rate your evil people and WHY.
Isgrim: meh, I'm thinking if your a goodun, arguing woulda been slightly more interesting. It feels like you dont explain your actions and just do.
Lagom: Participate some. Make swaying arguements on who you think is evil and why.

I mean it's down to either/or on a lot of people. Since I dont think me and lassr will be voted for today. And I wont be around tomorrow if we hit, you _really_ need to consider not just voting today but your voting tomorrow. Today is huge, but if you get lucky, what happens tomorrow? Try and look toward a bigger picture. I now its late for you EST people, but I think we need a little discussion and comments from the other people involved. If they dont I'll make my vote and see if I am right. I know I have voted yet, but its more i like the way things are going in terms of setting up the groundwork for getting a wolf tomorrow.

Like I said, If you are good, and 3 of you are (out of 5

), you can remove yourself, obviously, but in theory you can remove me, now your at 50-50. If you can elimiate 1 other person, you have a 66% chance of hitting a wolf. f you are goldy and can eliminate 2, you win

I'd say your top 3 would be enough to make a solid consensus tho.

Does this make sense to anyone else but me?

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:03 pm

So with what just happened, we're looking at a couple of different options:

1) msteelers and Lassr are innocent and Lagom is evil, which would explain why the two wolves didn't jump on the vote to end the game.
2) Either msteelers or Lassr are evil and tried to start a railroad for an innocent Lagom.
3) msteelers, Lassr, and Lagom are all innocent, and the two wolves were unable to coordinate and come back to the thread before Lassr withdrew his vote.

I think #1 is the most plausible, which is why I haven't removed my vote for him.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:11 pm

Semaj wrote: So here is all I want... Lassr, splain your voting thought process. I kinda get it... but putting the second vote on 2 different people is kinda odd.

Back at the start of the day after going through all the posts again I came to the tentative conclusion that Lagom and Isgrimnur were the most evil looking. I believe at least one of those is definitely a bad guy if not both. So when I went with Lagom putting him at 2 I felt confident enough that he was a bad guy.

When you and Chaos showed up at the same time and did not cast a vote then I decided to withdraw (just in case one of you were waiting for your partner to show before voting). But I think Lagom is a bad guy and his partner did not want to vote that being Chaos or Isgrimnur by just not posting in the thread while Lagom had 2 votes on him. I see he has shown up now.

So my vote on Isgrimnur is to show you my belief and intentions while keeping it safe while we discuss. If the group decides that they believe Lagom to be the better target then I could go that route. If the group decides another route then I need some major convincing at this point.

I believe you to be good, and I'm adding msteeler to the most likely good for this go round. Choas as a possible evil. Lagom and/or Isgrimnur as most likely evil.