"Meet the Robinsons" WW game - Robinsons win!

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:11 pm

Pushing to page 23.

Isgrimnur wrote:Chaosraven (2): Lassr, theohall, Unagi, msteelers, Unagi
theohall (1): Scoop20906
Grundbegriff (1): Remus West, Unagi
Unagi (0): Grundbegriff

Majority is five

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:12 pm

Remus West wrote:Day 2 - suggests that he sees Newcastle as innocent. I'm unsure why.

This is just a little aside...

I said that Newcastle and I seemed to be 'on the same page' this game. What I meant by that was that his posts reflected my thoughts, and (I think it's human nature) that leads (lead) me to believe he's good.... and that if he turned up evil - I would be psycologically bopped by it. The fact that I left open the idea that he could be evil (IMO) short-circuits any concept that I was trying to tell everyone that I scanned him good. It was actually that point that made me think stessier was full of it.

If I was Lewis, sadly - I could very well have scanned Newcastle last night. I wasn't sure of his innocence - I just agreed with his disposition on things.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:13 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:You two are spinning like tops.

Right round like a record, baby. Right round round round.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:23 pm

Unagi wrote:leads (lead)

led

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:27 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:Day 2 - suggests that he sees Newcastle as innocent. I'm unsure why.
This is just a little aside...

I said that Newcastle and I seemed to be 'on the same page' this game. What I meant by that was that his posts reflected my thoughts, and (I think it's human nature) that leads (lead) me to believe he's good.... and that if he turned up evil - I would be psycologically bopped by it. The fact that I left open the idea that he could be evil (IMO) short-circuits any concept that I was trying to tell everyone that I scanned him good. It was actually that point that made me think stessier was full of it.

If I was Lewis, sadly - I could very well have scanned Newcastle last night. I wasn't sure of his innocence - I just agreed with his disposition on things.

I was talking about Grund not you. I went back and reread a bit though and saw that he mentioned Newcastle as good first because of the interaction with Lagom but then again after he tried looking at things without Lagom's lists.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:36 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Unagi wrote:leads (lead)
led

would you believe - I had it like that

"leads (led)" and then thought... wait - no - someone once corrected me on that recently... I think.

I'm so broken with certain words it's pathetic.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:40 pm

Unagi wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
Unagi wrote:leads (lead)
led
would you believe - I had it like that

"leads (led)" and then thought... wait - no - someone once corrected me on that recently... I think.

I'm so broken with certain words it's pathetic.

I am to.
that was just in case stessier is still reading the thread.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:46 pm

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:48 pm

Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:Day 2 - suggests that he sees Newcastle as innocent. I'm unsure why.
This is just a little aside...

I said that Newcastle and I seemed to be 'on the same page' this game. What I meant by that was that his posts reflected my thoughts, and (I think it's human nature) that leads (lead) me to believe he's good.... and that if he turned up evil - I would be psycologically bopped by it. The fact that I left open the idea that he could be evil (IMO) short-circuits any concept that I was trying to tell everyone that I scanned him good. It was actually that point that made me think stessier was full of it.

If I was Lewis, sadly - I could very well have scanned Newcastle last night. I wasn't sure of his innocence - I just agreed with his disposition on things.
I was talking about Grund not you. I went back and reread a bit though and saw that he mentioned Newcastle as good first because of the interaction with Lagom but then again after he tried looking at things without Lagom's lists.

Correct. It was his interactions with Lagom-- not Lagom's lists-- that made me think Newcastle was probably good.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:11 pm

Here's how Lagom Lite seems to have allocated people across those categories:

Suspects: One wolf in {Chaosraven, msteelers, Qantaga, Unagi} and one wolf in {Lassr, Newcastle, stessier}
Innocents: Remus West
Don't-Knows: Grundbegriff, Scoop20906, theohall

Assuming (safely, I think) that Lassr is Spike, we now know that Lagom's second wolf list was pure misdirection. Since Scoop is Wilbur, that leaves

{Chaosraven, msteelers, Qantaga, Unagi} among his "wolves"
and
{Grundbegriff, theohall} among those about whom he claimed to be unsure.

I'd love to say that looking back with more info cracks the case wide open, but (as far as I can see) it doesn't.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:30 pm

I have to say, I'm disappointed that some came out in such strong defense of Chaosraven. He's barely posted anything this game, and it's hard to get a read on someone if they are not active. As others have already said, the vote on chaos was a way to get him to say something. Instead, with so many people defending him he was able to come in with two small posts and vanish again.

My three suspects are still Grund, Chaos, and Theohall. I can still vote for any of them, but right now I feel like I have to stay on chaosraven.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:28 pm

withdraw Grundbegriff

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:09 pm

I've been reading along. Assuming work isn't crazy this evening, I am rereading and making notes. Of course, my last hunch pointed at Lassr.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:25 pm

Slowly rereading. Making me wonder about someone I had discounted. More when I go home and find time to finish reading (I'm all the way up to page 8 right now so don't expect anything real soon here).

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:50 pm

Ok, so Lewis is still alive. He should have 2 scans and obviously they aren't the last bad guy or Lewis is *really* wasting our time. We cannot sacrifice Lewis for his scans, as he alone is the Evil win condition. If scoop protects him, we have one more scan.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:58 pm

Now, *if* Lewis is one of (Unagi, theohall, Grund, msteelers, or Qantaga) and has Scanned two players on that list, we have won. Lewis tells us which two are Robinsons. We ground one of the remaining two today and the other tomorrow. SCOOP protects (Lewis) tonight to keep the Machine out of Evils hands.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:25 pm

Yeah

Careful Lewis. CR left his name off the list of candidates.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:30 pm

However. I think your scenario can be improved.

If Lewis had only 3 remaining unknown to him;

We ground #1 today
He scans #2 tonight
He is protected by Scoop tonight.
He tells us to ground #2 or #3 in the morning.

Right?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:35 pm

Or is that what you actually said.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:37 pm

Agreed. This works if you include me in the above scenario as well.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:56 pm

My hysteria would leave the vote on Chaosraven, but he appears to be helping win with that last post, unless he was intentionally misdirecting us by not including himself.

So.... I will go with the quiet but helpful Chaosraven and go to target #2.

withdraw Chaosraven

ground Grundbegriff

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:04 pm

I'm fine with the plan. So who I am protecting?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:44 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I'm fine with the plan. So who I am protecting?

nobody yet, the plan hinges on Lewis having scanned a subset of (not lassr, remus, scoop, newcastle, stessier). If Lewis scanned any of them, we are not in position to win this way.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:59 pm

Freshly back from administering a final exam. Catching up....

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:02 am

Chaosraven wrote:Now, *if* Lewis is one of (Unagi, theohall, Grund, msteelers, or Qantaga) and has Scanned two players on that list, we have won.

So I gather we're waiting either for

(a) Lewis to step up and say that three of the names on that list are accounted for by himself and his two scans
or
(b) enough time and silence to go by that we infer Lewis cannot meet those conditions.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:04 am

Unagi wrote:Yeah

Careful Lewis. CR left his name off the list of candidates.

Plus Chaosraven.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:05 am

Grundbegriff wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Now, *if* Lewis is one of (Unagi, theohall, Grund, msteelers, or Qantaga) and has Scanned two players on that list, we have won.
So I gather we're waiting either for

(a) Lewis to step up and say that three of the names on that list are accounted for by himself and his two scans
or
(b) enough time and silence to go by that we infer Lewis cannot meet those conditions.

yep

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:43 am

I suppose I could make it easier.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:45 am

Unagi, theohall, Grund, msteelers, qantaga. If one is Lewis, and has scanned *any* of the other four, that leaves three. One to ground, one to scan, one to ground. I am UNCLE ART.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:45 am

Chaosraven wrote:I suppose I could make it easier.

Please do.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:47 am

Posted that last "Please do" before I saw Chaos' Uncle Art claim.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:49 am

Chaosraven wrote:Unagi, theohall, Grund, msteelers, qantaga. If one is Lewis, and has scanned *any* of the other four, that leaves three. One to ground, one to scan, one to ground. I am UNCLE ART.

That does make things easier.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:52 am

Logically, Evil must try to kill me tonight, as I can stymie his win. Scoop, did you protect a random member of that Gang of Five last night?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:16 am

Chaosraven wrote:Logically, Evil must try to kill me tonight, as I can stymie his win. Scoop, did you protect a random member of that Gang of Five last night?

I told Theohall I protected myself last night.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:13 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Logically, Evil must try to kill me tonight, as I can stymie his win. Scoop, did you protect a random member of that Gang of Five last night?
I told Theohall I protected myself last night.

When (where in thread) was this? I missed it.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:54 am

Here, Remus

CR as Uncle A does help. We should pause for conflict, but I doubt any counter claim will come.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:17 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Logically, Evil must try to kill me tonight, as I can stymie his win. Scoop, did you protect a random member of that Gang of Five last night?
I told Theohall I protected myself last night.

excellent. Then you will be able to protect Lewis. If evil kills you, Lewis and I survive. If Evil kills me, you and Lewis survive.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:18 am

Unagi wrote:Here, Remus

CR as Uncle A does help. We should pause for conflict, but I doubt any counter claim will come.

at this stage I would welcome a counter claim

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:17 am

withdraw chaosraven

I'm low on time this morning, but I like what happened last night and this morning. Lots of new information to work with. It seems like chaosraven's numbers work, which means we are waiting for Lewis to check in, or a counterclaim of Uncle Art.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:33 am

Lewis' numbers may not work. So we may not really be waiting for him to say anything.