[WW] The Rule of Thirds - The Meer win everything

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:45 pm

House MEER!!!!

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:47 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:Nice deception by Erde. I thought through the end that stessier was the King. Did you ping each other to conspire and discuss, or did Sectoid simply take the chance to play along?

He played along although I'm not sure why. I can tell you what I hope he saw:

stessier wrote:So we had a plan last night - Champions would ping their Kings so teams could be identified. Not everyone commented on it, but sometimes sensible courses of action need no comment.

Sadly, I received no communications last night. This has troubled me deeply because 1) it shows a severe lack of sense in my House and 2) I took some slightly...some might say cavaleir...actions last night.

In my defense, the odds were in my favor when I did slay Newcastle and Triggercut for the honor of House Erde!! I wonder now if it might not have been folly.

Anyway, I say this now so that all may know the King of Erde yet lives and that I have no stones left to use for protection. If the Champions of House Erde yet live, their mission is clear.

Based on my kills, you can see why I find tru1cy's grouping of Grund/Chaos as a kill pair quite interesting. And why, on my making note of this fact, I might feel I will not survive the night and find it necessary to let all know what has transpired.

So, Sectoid, whom did you slay? And what does everyone think of tru1cy's comment in light of this new information?

No where in here did I ever say I was the King. I said I received no communication (true), that anyone who didn't communicate was cavaleir (true), that the King of Erde lives (true - Sectoid), and that anyone left from Erde should know their role (to protect Sectoid of course) since I was out of stones.

Later on it was clear he was setting himself up to look like the Jester. I was somewhat...miffed...when he came out as the Jester when I did my little ranking. He was way to high on the radar to get away with that type of confusion and it would have kept Dod alive. I was kind of hoping more of the Himmel's would take out the Meers to even things out. As it was, I think only the Meers attacked during the Night of Terror. Just brutal.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:54 pm

stessier wrote:It was quite satisfying to be taken as a King and to get Sectoid hidden as Herr all without ever sending or receiving a ping. I used both my stones to kill Newcastle and Trig as I mentioned. All other talk of communication was a lie. I knew who my King was and I saw Bubbles following him around like a lost puppy.

Take that back. I did not. I had my own reasons for voting for who I did. I just didn't have the time while I was on vacation to explain my votes.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:56 pm

stessier wrote:As it was, I think only the Meers attacked during the Night of Terror. Just brutal.

You figure Izzy and CR both had both their stones coming into that night. That was the reason I rezzed Iz. I had no idea if it would be enough but I figure if Iz comes up with both stones and I blow both stones to stay alive then we get an extra body and two extra stones.

All in all I suck at these games, but Strangely enough, it all turns out well.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:59 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:
stessier wrote:It was quite satisfying to be taken as a King and to get Sectoid hidden as Herr all without ever sending or receiving a ping. I used both my stones to kill Newcastle and Trig as I mentioned. All other talk of communication was a lie. I knew who my King was and I saw Bubbles following him around like a lost puppy.
Take that back. I did not. I had my own reasons for voting for who I did. I just didn't have the time while I was on vacation to explain my votes.

If it wasn't for the whole "killing the Prince thing", I'm pretty sure I'd be Baron today an you'd be looking for a new job.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:07 pm

I used one of my stones to rez CR and the other to Kill Qantaga

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:17 pm

I was also terrified that rezzing Iz was a mistake and that he was playing me onto his grave... Only the only we should have been playing me is if someone else knew who he was... That's where my paranoia and overthinking without seeing what's right in front of me gets me in trouble and I eventually just commit to a decision right or wrong.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:23 pm

stessier wrote:Sorry again Trig.

And way to lead the charge on Lassr, oh Great and Mighty One!

I tried everything to get Sectoid to back off of me. I praised his vote while rediculing others like a good subject would do. I told him he was the leader of the train. I mention Cape Verde hoping he'd pick on the Verde (erde). Nothing. Thought I might get resurrected at the end since I had 2 stones I could use for House of Erde but alas...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:25 pm

Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:Sorry again Trig.

And way to lead the charge on Lassr, oh Great and Mighty One!
I tried everything to get Sectoid to back off of me. I praised his vote while rediculing others like a good subject would do. I told him he was the leader of the train. I mention Cape Verde hoping he'd pick on the Verde (erde). Nothing. Thought I might get resurrected at the end since I had 2 stones I could use for House of Erde but alas...

I saw all this when I did my read through on the day we all came out. It was pretty funny and I was terrified someone would read through it and realize I was spoofing. At that point, though, I was stoneless and all I could do was put you in the right House. Ah well.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:25 pm

Yeah, it looked like Meer only won cause we used the rez functions

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:43 pm

MEER PWNAGE!!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:56 pm

Some of my ideas for next time... (should there be one)

1. No names for the Kingdoms. just tell people who their King is. (this should help keep people from a mass reveal)
2. No ranks, this should help Dod hide among the people being killed off.
3. in line with #1 and #2, a SCAN would just reveal if that person follows the same King as you do or not
4. Perhaps give people more stones, but also force certain stones to be certain powers (everyone gets 1 Scan Stone, 2 Multi-purpose, 1 Protect...)
5. Maybe create some type of 'recruit' ability or power or situation, so that people that are 'kingdom-less' can be brought back into the game by another side.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:01 pm

tru1cy wrote:Yeah, it looked like Meer only won cause we used the rez functions

Seemed like a combo of things.

1) stessier killing triggercut and newcastle dealt Erde and Himmel a pretty big blow... especially because both of those players didn't PING their King.
2) Sectoid killing Grund doubled up that blow for Himmel.
3) Lassr goind down screaming unheard hints to his Erde brothers (Cape Verde ???) didn't help.
4) LordMortis leap of faith to Rez Isgrimnur was very big.
5) I think the single most critical event that was crucial to this victory was simply the PING from Chaos to tru1cy.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:04 pm

stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:Sorry again Trig.

And way to lead the charge on Lassr, oh Great and Mighty One!
I tried everything to get Sectoid to back off of me. I praised his vote while rediculing others like a good subject would do. I told him he was the leader of the train. I mention Cape Verde hoping he'd pick on the Verde (erde). Nothing. Thought I might get resurrected at the end since I had 2 stones I could use for House of Erde but alas...
I saw all this when I did my read through on the day we all came out. It was pretty funny and I was terrified someone would read through it and realize I was spoofing. At that point, though, I was stoneless and all I could do was put you in the right House. Ah well.

I was actually thinking that msteelers could easily hide in Newcastle's Herr slot.

That would have let Scoop and Stessier trying to say 'who was who's Herr'.... and Scoop didn't seem to want to talk about that stuff and stessier was playing King, so I thought it could back-fire. But it didn't....

I also thought there was a big chance that Mr Bubbles (this was long ago) came in and said 'Bullshit, stessier is NOT King Erde"

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:09 pm

Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:
Lassr wrote:
stessier wrote:Sorry again Trig.

And way to lead the charge on Lassr, oh Great and Mighty One!
I tried everything to get Sectoid to back off of me. I praised his vote while rediculing others like a good subject would do. I told him he was the leader of the train. I mention Cape Verde hoping he'd pick on the Verde (erde). Nothing. Thought I might get resurrected at the end since I had 2 stones I could use for House of Erde but alas...
I saw all this when I did my read through on the day we all came out. It was pretty funny and I was terrified someone would read through it and realize I was spoofing. At that point, though, I was stoneless and all I could do was put you in the right House. Ah well.
I was actually thinking that msteelers could easily hide in Newcastle's Herr slot.

That would have let Scoop and Stessier trying to say 'who was who's Herr'.... and Scoop didn't seem to want to talk about that stuff and stessier was playing King, so I thought it could back-fire. But it didn't....

I also thought there was a big chance that Mr Bubbles (this was long ago) came in and said 'Bullshit, stessier is NOT King Erde"

I don't know if I was being strategic or just didn't want a mass outing to ruin all the fun.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:10 pm

Unagi wrote:Some of my ideas for next time... (should there be one)

1. No names for the Kingdoms. just tell people who their King is. (this should help keep people from a mass reveal)

If you didn't want us to do it, you shouldn't have given us the option.

2. No ranks, this should help Dod hide among the people being killed off.

Takes away from the flavor, but yeah, makes sense. Might have to change Dod's winning conditions as well.

3. in line with #1 and #2, a SCAN would just reveal if that person follows the same King as you do or not

Agree.

4. Perhaps give people more stones, but also force certain stones to be certain powers (everyone gets 1 Scan Stone, 2 Multi-purpose, 1 Protect...)

I like! What about a House has a certain number of stones. Either the King can dole them out somehow at the start of the game, or they are randomly distributed. So a House will have 2 Rezs, but maybe only 1 players ends up with that ability. That would be cool.

5. Maybe create some type of 'recruit' ability or power or situation, so that people that are 'kingdom-less' can be brought back into the game by another side.

Could make it part of the Rez power - whoever Rezs you, you belong to that person's sovereign. It even kind of makes game sense.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:12 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I don't know if I was being strategic or just didn't want a mass outing to ruin all the fun.

Being 1 of 2 left, that ship had sailed. The fun was ruined. If you had stones left, you definitely should have given in to peer pressure. The stones were far more valuable than keeping Dod alive out of some noble sense of fair play.

Sectoid · Post by **Sectoid** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:59 pm

In reply to why I played along with Stess. I only said 1 time that I wasn't the King. When Stess showed the list of Erde players. I said I was the Jester to further complicate things. If I was killed that night, I would have come up King, which would then leave someone else in my house to pickup the key.

Sorry, about that Lassr. You know I am impatient and want to get the game moving as quick as possible. Now, onto another to ruin everything.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:01 pm

stessier wrote:I was kind of hoping more of the Himmel's would take out the Meers to even things out. As it was, I think only the Meers attacked during the Night of Terror. Just brutal.

Himmel did attack. I killed Chaosraven that night.

I'm curious why stessier and Sectoid didn't heed my warning that killing Dod at that time was handing the game to Meer.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:23 pm

Qantaga wrote:
stessier wrote:I was kind of hoping more of the Himmel's would take out the Meers to even things out. As it was, I think only the Meers attacked during the Night of Terror. Just brutal.

Himmel did attack. I killed Chaosraven that night.

I'm curious why stessier and Sectoid didn't heed my warning that killing Dod at that time was handing the game to Meer.

It didn't have to be and the threat of Dod winning was real (or at least to me it was - no idea how many stones he had). Who knew Meer was a House who spent their nights holding their stones?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:24 pm

Sectoid wrote:In reply to why I played along with Stess. I only said 1 time that I wasn't the King. When Stess showed the list of Erde players. I said I was the Jester to further complicate things. If I was killed that night, I would have come up King, which would then leave someone else in my house to pickup the key.

Great except we were all out of stones.

And you were close to daytime death - you didn't have to worry about night time.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:30 pm

As an outsider I'm not sure why any of you were spending your stones. You needed them if you lost a house member. You needed them to reattune keys (if your king died). Not spending stones removed any real threat of the Dragon winning since he needed to hit all three kings at the same time if you kept stones.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:41 pm

Remus West wrote:As an outsider I'm not sure why any of you were spending your stones. You needed them if you lost a house member. You needed them to reattune keys (if your king died). Not spending stones removed any real threat of the Dragon winning since he needed to hit all three kings at the same time if you kept stones.

Boring! Go for the TD!!

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:48 pm

stessier wrote:
Remus West wrote:As an outsider I'm not sure why any of you were spending your stones. You needed them if you lost a house member. You needed them to reattune keys (if your king died). Not spending stones removed any real threat of the Dragon winning since he needed to hit all three kings at the same time if you kept stones.
Boring! Go for the TD!!

There was no TD in spending stones. The Dragon couldn't be killed by them so until he was gone you were only wasting resources.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:58 pm

Why was it a waste to take out the other houses? It's not like the Dragon was going to rez them. And as I said during the game, spending a stone to kill someone was better than scanning for Dod as it told you two pieces of information with one stone.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 4:58 pm

Remus West wrote:As an outsider I'm not sure why any of you were spending your stones. You needed them if you lost a house member. You needed them to reattune keys (if your king died). Not spending stones removed any real threat of the Dragon winning since he needed to hit all three kings at the same time if you kept stones.

I figured Iz was on my team and had both his stones so I spend one to get two in my mind. I spent the one on myself because I figured I (or Bakhtosh) was most likely to die that night and I wasn't likely to get resurrected later. Probably not the best play but I rarely make the best play.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:00 pm

I think Dod tried to kill Sectoid on the night nothing happened (that you refer to LM). Or Lagom. Why did you think you were in trouble? I never had you as a king.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:04 pm

stessier wrote:I think Dod tried to kill Sectoid on the night nothing happened (that you refer to LM). Or Lagom. Why did you think you were in trouble? I never had you as a king.

Killing a king that night was a worthless pursuit. You weren't going to get all three. At least one of them is likely going to be protected whereas Bakhtosh and I would only be protected if we protected ourselves. Why not hold your stones until a more dire time if you are dod? It was better to kill the people revealed who may later become king and maximize your hiding potential while waiting for others to use their stones.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:06 pm

stessier wrote:Why was it a waste to take out the other houses? It's not like the Dragon was going to rez them. And as I said during the game, spending a stone to kill someone was better than scanning for Dod as it told you two pieces of information with one stone.

Scanning was a waste of a stone for just what you said but not knowing your house killing was a waste - how could you not have learned that lesson? Killing the other houses was a waste until the Dragon was dead because if you get lucky on killing the other two kings the same night the Dragon nailed yours then you hand him the victory. You risk much and gain extremely little IMO.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:07 pm

But then I didn't see the big reveal coming at the beginning of the day. I think I might have jumped on the reveal bandwagon earlyish once the winds were known. Possibly right after Prince Mortis did.

I think a living dod really had the odds stacked against him. Now there may have been a way for him dod to conspire to get all three kings in the ground in his absence but I don't know what that conspiracy would have entailed.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:14 pm

Remus West wrote:
stessier wrote:Why was it a waste to take out the other houses? It's not like the Dragon was going to rez them. And as I said during the game, spending a stone to kill someone was better than scanning for Dod as it told you two pieces of information with one stone.
Scanning was a waste of a stone for just what you said but not knowing your house killing was a waste - how could you not have learned that lesson? Killing the other houses was a waste until the Dragon was dead because if you get lucky on killing the other two kings the same night the Dragon nailed yours then you hand him the victory. You risk much and gain extremely little IMO.

The Kings were going to be protected every night. There was no risk of killing them. Killing my own House was the bigger risk, but getting a numerical advantage was worth it (imo).

Bakhtosh · Post by **Bakhtosh** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:35 pm

I want to know Dod's night orders.

I spent stone #1 with a ping
#2 was a self-protect - I hoped that Dod would attempt to kill me to cast suspicion on Sectoid. There would be no chance for me to reattune keys since Lagom would self-protect that night, and I wouldn't survive 3 more nights. I also couldn't rez anyone since I didn't know anyone's identity...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:59 pm

Bakhtosh wrote:I want to know Dod's night orders.

I spent stone #1 with a ping
#2 was a self-protect - I hoped that Dod would attempt to kill me to cast suspicion on Sectoid. There would be no chance for me to reattune keys since Lagom would self-protect that night, and I wouldn't survive 3 more nights. I also couldn't rez anyone since I didn't know anyone's identity...

See, I don't get that thinking. You could have rezzed anyone you wanted. Why was everyone so afraid to make a leap of faith? It was just a game!!

I didn't know Bubbles was on my side, but it sure looked that way. I didn't know that Lagom and tru1cy were telling the truth, but there was nothing vague about their announcements, so it sure looked okay.

Maybe I don't worry about winning enough.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:30 pm

<snort>
or think about it enough.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:48 pm

Unagi wrote:<snort>
or think about it enough.

Touche. (And true.)

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:49 pm

stessier wrote:
Unagi wrote:<snort>
or think about it enough.

Touche. (And true.)

Actually, after your Night 1 - you had very little Night strategy to put into play

. but you did strategy-up a lot after that - for the day's activities.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:54 pm

some stats

Dod's actions:
Night 1: Eat Chaosraven, use no stones
Night 2: Eat Bakhtosh (thwarted by protection), use no stones
Night 3: fly away

stone usage:
Pings: 2
Resurrect: 2
Protect: 9 (Self: 4)
Kill: 9

Bravest King: tru1cy (never self protected)
Most Murderous Contestant : Sectoid / (LordMortis a near second) (sorry stessier)

(Sectoid: Lassr, Grundbegriff, Isgrimnur, msteelers, Lagom Lite)
(LordMortis: Lassr, Isgrimnur, msteelers, Lagom Lite, msteelers) -(Isgrimnur)

Biggest Wuss: Isgrimnur (4 'no votes')

Interesting events:
Night 1: seeing 1/3 chance being not good enough, stessier doubles up and manages to kill his own player
Night 2: Mr Bubbles and msteelers both try to Kill Bakhtosh, but he's protected (doubly so)
Night 3: Meer manages to, without any coordination, perfectly take out enemy players with their stones.

tru1cy - Kills Qantaga
Isgrimnur - Kills Bakhtosh and Mr Bubbles
Chaosraven - Kills stessier

Specific Stones (sorted by team):
Lagom Lite 1: Night 2: Protect Lagom Lite (not needed)
Lagom Lite 2: Night 2: Protect Bakhtosh (needed, but redundant)
Bakhtosh 1: Night 1: Ping Lagom Lite
Bakhtosh 2: Night 2: Protect Bakhtosh (needed, but redundant)
Grundbegriff 1: not used
Grundbegriff 2: not used
Newcastle 1: not used
Newcastle 2: not used
Qantaga 1: Night 2: Protect Lagom Lite (not needed)
Qantaga 2: Night 3: Kill Chaosraven (successful)
---
Sectoid 1: Night 1: Kill Grundbegriff (successful)
Sectoid 2: Night 2: Protect Sectoid (not needed)
triggercut 1: not used
triggercut 2: not used
Mr Bubbles 1: Night 2: Kill Bakhtosh
Mr Bubbles 2: Night 3: Protect Sectoid (not needed)
stessier 1: Night 1: Kill triggercut
stessier 2: Night 1: Kill Newcastle
Lassr 1: not used
Lassr 2: not used
---
tru1cy 1: Night 2: Resurrect Chaosraven
tru1cy 2: Night 3: Kill Qantaga (successful)
LordMortis 1: Night 2: Resurrect Isgrimnur
LordMortis 2: Night 2: Protect LordMortis (not needed)
Isgrimnur 1: Night 3: Kill Bakhtosh (successful)
Isgrimnur 2: Night 3: Kill Mr Bubbles (successful)
Scoop20906 1: Night 2: Protect tru1cy (not needed)
Scoop20906 2: Night 4: Protect tru1cy (not needed)
Chaosraven 1: Night 1: Ping tru1cy
Chaosraven 2: Night 3: Kill stessier
---
msteelers 1: not used
msteelers 2: not used

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:06 pm

Unagi wrote: Biggest Wuss: Isgrimnur (4 'no votes')

Night 3: Meer manages to, without any coordination, perfectly take out enemy players with their stones.
tru1cy - Kills Qantaga

Isgrimnur - Kills Bakhtosh and Mr Bubbles

Chaosraven - Kills stessier

Unagi

Thanks for the rez, LM. I appreciate you taking the shot on me telling the truth.

I figured with both my stones left and being a possible verified target for the others that I'd unload both barrels and hit the mid-level guys in the other houses, unlikely targets for protection. We already thought we had an advantage, so I'd try to expand it

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:35 am

Bah. I tried to tell my Himmel minions not to protect myself or Bak!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:51 am

That was wicked... I got killed Twice. (where's my award?)