[2]A Walk in Wolf Woods - Game Over

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sun May 01, 2011 8:21 pm

theohall wrote:I doubt tru1cy was the Witch. I don't see a Witch self-voting with team evil possibly being a night kill and one lynch from a win - assuming a Witch and 3 wolves left.

But why would a good player self-vote? I will never be able to understand that. He can't even claim frustration. He didn't even try. He only had three votes on himself when he self-voted. That doesn't look to me like a good player who is trying to help the village win.

I hope he was the Witch.

Regardless of his ultimate alignment, though, he was effectively playing for team evil.

Have I mentioned that I despise the self-vote?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sun May 01, 2011 8:31 pm

Qantaga wrote:
theohall wrote:I doubt tru1cy was the Witch. I don't see a Witch self-voting with team evil possibly being a night kill and one lynch from a win - assuming a Witch and 3 wolves left.

But why would a good player self-vote? I will never be able to understand that. He can't even claim frustration. He didn't even try. He only had three votes on himself when he self-voted. That doesn't look to me like a good player who is trying to help the village win.

I hope he was the Witch.

Regardless of his ultimate alignment, though, he was effectively playing for team evil.

Have I mentioned that I despise the self-vote?

I hate the self-vote, too. But one has to ask why would a Witch self-vote this close to a possible victory - based on what we know?? There is zero reason, just like there is zero reason for an innocent to do the same. These last two self-votes both remind of someone just throwing in the towel, because they couldn't figure out a way to be believed, regardless of their role.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Mon May 02, 2011 4:02 pm

Really? Another weekend train?

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue May 03, 2011 6:55 am

I said something about the weekend trains, but i've also learned no one listens to me, they just tolerate me.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:20 am

Some folks have more time on Sundays. Some folks have more time on weekdays. Trains happen under both conditions. Commenting on it isn't going to change it. Actually voting for someone with a full week worth of posts (Semaj) might actually help prevent those kind of weekend trains, instead of just posting about it happening.

Saying the wolves have been dragging when not voting on anyone in the midst of a few others voting - like this past Sunday? Whose dragging?? Using the "let everyone check in" thing is classic wolf dragging and looks to be even moreso when everyone had already checked in more than once in the preceding week.

Come to think of it, Semaj, have you actually voted for anyone since Scoop?? I find that intriguing - and not in a good way.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:48 am

nope, but if you read the other ww thread, i have been sorta mia thepast week/week and a half... The US screwed my ability to make money and now i'm hopped up on pankillers.

meh, if you want i'll continue the trend of self voting good people because i'm frigging dying atm.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:17 am

The sun rose over a night filled with screams. The travelers had all curled up as small as they could in whatever hole they could find. Praying they would be again left alone in the horrible dark they trembled with each gust of wind through the trees. The first scream brought a jump of shock followed closely by a sense of relief that they were not the one to die that night. Relief only slightly tinged with guilt. As the first rays of the sun came through the leaves they emerged from their holes and slowly took stock of their situation. Qantaga was leaning against a large oak when they gathered. At first they just sat around waiting for him to talk and tell them what he had discovered in the night. As the sun slowly came up the rays of light entered his unblinking eyes and they realized he was dead. As Chaosraven approached the body a strong breeze pushed it off the oak and as his corpse leaned forward they couold see Qantaga had been eaten for the back through nearly to his front.

Players:
1. Newcastle - eaten in the night
2. Qantaga - eaten in the night
3. Chaosraven
4. Theohall
5. rshetts2 - lynched Human
6. Scoop20906 - lynched Wolf
7. Grundbegriff - eaten in the night
8. tru1cy - lynched human
9. lassr - eaten in the night
10. msteelers
11. redrun
12. Chrisgrenard
13. Unagi - eaten in the night
14. stessier - lynched wolf
15. Isgrimnur
16. pr0ner - eaten in the night
17. RMC
18. Lagom Lite
19. Lord Mortis - lynched Human
20. Semaj

Day had risen on the 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 travelers.

Majority is 5.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue May 03, 2011 12:28 pm

Well, that certainly settles the Qantaga issue.

We know know that there are fewer than five evil characters in play, or we'd be done here. Today's lynch, I think, will be critical. I still think the odds favor three wolves and one evil human, which would make a miss today very fatal for the village. We have to get this one right.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue May 03, 2011 1:24 pm

tru1cy vote wrote:Players:
1. Newcastle - eaten in the night
2. Qantaga - tru1cy
3. Chaosraven - tru1cy
4. Theohall - tru1cy, RMC
5. rshetts2 - lynched Human
6. Scoop20906 - lynched Wolf
7. Grundbegriff - eaten in the night
8. tru1cy - RMC, tru1cy
9. lassr - eaten in the night
10. msteelers - redrun
11. redrun - tru1cy, RMC
12. Chrisgrenard - tru1cy
13. Unagi - eaten in the night
14. stessier - lynched wolf
15. Isgrimnur
16. pr0ner - eaten in the night
17. RMC - redrun, tru1cy
18. Lagom Lite - RMC, tru1cy
19. Lord Mortis - lynched Human
20. Semaj

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue May 03, 2011 2:13 pm

Any takers on msteelers naming redrun again?

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:24 pm

theohall wrote:Any takers on msteelers naming redrun again?

The odds of that happening are very high. I have two names on my list of people that I would definitely vote for today. I want to re-read everything and see if something stands out.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:59 pm

msteelers wrote:
theohall wrote:Any takers on msteelers naming redrun again?
The odds of that happening are very high. I have two names on my list of people that I would definitely vote for today. I want to re-read everything and see if something stands out.

I said tot o do this a day or 4 ago... course i havent followed my own advice either...

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:49 pm

Saying things and acting on them by voting are two different things.

Even with his meta reasons which started well after the second lynch, Semaj has voted for noone and still is creating reasons not to vote. Imo, he is hiding in plain sight by commenting enough to avoid attention. He or RMC are wolves.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Tue May 03, 2011 11:57 pm

yup
ya caught me
your trying awfully hard to make me sound evil.

Shame my actions when i wasnt ezmating the last week say otherwise.

Who else have you thought were evil? Were ANY of them actually evil?

I dunno theo, still bitter i had you pegged as evil and now that you think i might have a weakness trying to harp on it in the hopes of getting another villager killed?

Enlighten me, of all the people left(Listed below for ease of your obviously flawed reasoning), clearly 3 have to be wolves... why the hell would you try and single me out? UNless of course you think it might be your best bet to win, create reasonable doubt in case you die, so if it comes down to it, someone else would be willing to vote for me.

3. Chaosraven
4. Theohall
10. msteelers
11. redrun
12. Chrisgrenard
15. Isgrimnur
17. RMC
18. Lagom Lite
20. Semaj

So as i sit here... yeah the last week and a half i have done much, however what I have done should speak as loudly as when i ezmated. I wanted to vote for wolves, i tried t get people on wolf trains before they themselves decided to. I talk about reasoning things out, about thinking before you act, not quick killing someone (who ended up good) on a weekend. If anything I have been the solid voice of reason for good... So because I am quiet, it means I am a wolf... hiding in plain sight...

Yups... I am not at a loss for just how phenomenally off you are. If you're not a wolf, you're obviously about to head people down the road to loss.

So seriously, since I know I am not a wolf:
1. Chaosraven
2. Theohall
3. msteelers
4. redrun
5. Chrisgrenard
6. Isgrimnur
7. RMC
8. Lagom Lite

we have a 37.5% chance of flat out guessing who is a wolf... randomly... if you can eliminate someone who isnt a wolf, it goes to ~43....

The rest of you, think long and hard, and if you can eliminate a name or two, this game becomes winnable.

But me, i'd look at voting patterns, who said what and check everything... You know.. if i wanted to win.

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Wed May 04, 2011 12:32 am

redrun wrote:2. Qantaga: Came out as Undertaker, with a scan of seer - On day 2. Real time it was 11:09pm at night. Stessier countered his claim with a claim of seer - at 12:32pm the next day - 13 hours later, most of them night, and before all other players had checked in. Since it was day two, there could be only one Beta scan possible - the wolves couldn't know that the undertaker and the seer were both dead. If Qantaga and Stessier had somehow planned this to make Qantaga a trusted, I think they would have waited a while longer to make sure that there was no counterclaim to Qantaga. He's played as a good player. I don't see a reason to lynch him, even if he keeps on living - his power makes things a bit more difficult for the wolves, but until the witch dies (and via identification by Qantaga allows us to look at her voting patterns) he's not a big threat to the wolves - so I would not be surprised if they would keep him alive in hopes of pointing to his survival as a reason for the village to kill him late in the game.

-- So, the wolves finally killed Qantaga. See above for why I think they killed him. Tru1cy kept trying to say that Qantaga shouldn't scan him.

-- I still think RMC is a wolf. I think it's very likely that Chaos is a wolf. I'm not sure on the third - but I am starting to lean towards the broken record.

-- I'd vote for Chaos or RMC today.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed May 04, 2011 9:46 am

Semaj wrote:yup
ya caught me
your trying awfully hard to make me sound evil.

Shame my actions when i wasnt ezmating the last week say otherwise.

Who else have you thought were evil? Were ANY of them actually evil?

I dunno theo, still bitter i had you pegged as evil and now that you think i might have a weakness trying to harp on it in the hopes of getting another villager killed?

Enlighten me, of all the people left(Listed below for ease of your obviously flawed reasoning), clearly 3 have to be wolves... why the hell would you try and single me out? UNless of course you think it might be your best bet to win, create reasonable doubt in case you die, so if it comes down to it, someone else would be willing to vote for me.

3. Chaosraven
4. Theohall
10. msteelers
11. redrun
12. Chrisgrenard
15. Isgrimnur
17. RMC
18. Lagom Lite
20. Semaj

So as i sit here... yeah the last week and a half i have done much, however what I have done should speak as loudly as when i ezmated. I wanted to vote for wolves, i tried t get people on wolf trains before they themselves decided to. I talk about reasoning things out, about thinking before you act, not quick killing someone (who ended up good) on a weekend. If anything I have been the solid voice of reason for good... So because I am quiet, it means I am a wolf... hiding in plain sight...

Yups... I am not at a loss for just how phenomenally off you are. If you're not a wolf, you're obviously about to head people down the road to loss.

So seriously, since I know I am not a wolf:
1. Chaosraven
2. Theohall
3. msteelers
4. redrun
5. Chrisgrenard
6. Isgrimnur
7. RMC
8. Lagom Lite

we have a 37.5% chance of flat out guessing who is a wolf... randomly... if you can eliminate someone who isnt a wolf, it goes to ~43....

The rest of you, think long and hard, and if you can eliminate a name or two, this game becomes winnable.

But me, i'd look at voting patterns, who said what and check everything... You know.. if i wanted to win.

Well you can take LL off that list, as he has been proven as Mayor. But I don't know you are not a wolf, so I would put you back on the list. So it should be:

1. Chaosraven
2. Theohall
3. msteelers
4. redrun
5. Chrisgrenard
6. Isgrimnur
7. RMC
8. Semaj

Proven
1. LL - Mayor

Suspect of you to lump LL in with the possible wolf crowd.

I think we need to review that people who have been the quietest. I am no longer convinced that redrun is evil, in reflection Scoop and Stessier pointing out a third wolf seems a little unlikely.

I also think Theohall has been in front of everyone, and it just seems too risky to push for a lynch that ends up human if you are a wolf. Not totally unheard of, but just not likely.

msteelers seems honest and open to me, but in no way has convinced me that he is not a wolf.

Chaos has been on again off again, but again I am not sure of his innocence.

I am guessing my choice of wolves currently would be:
Semaj, Chrisgrenard, and ?????

They have both been flying under the radar, both have laid back for the most part or very noncommittal.

I will try to do more of an in depth review of both of them soon. No promises, as it is girl scout night.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed May 04, 2011 10:06 am

oh yeah, ll is the mayor... lmao

ah well

i guess thats a wolf slip, cuz no one else makes mistakes

and since I could care less... here lemme make it easy for you

Semaj

We've lost, lets just end it now... I figure the wolves prolly have 1 witch with em, making 5 votes when they hop on this bandwagon and no i have no plans to remove it,... gg wolves.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed May 04, 2011 11:15 am

And there you sit. For an hour so far.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed May 04, 2011 11:32 am

What's with the self pity self voting?

It make me want to lynch you more, not less.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed May 04, 2011 11:43 am

Players:
1. Newcastle - eaten in the night
2. Qantaga - eaten in the night
3. Chaosraven
4. Theohall
5. rshetts2 - lynched Human
6. Scoop20906 - lynched Wolf
7. Grundbegriff - eaten in the night
8. tru1cy - lynched human
9. lassr - eaten in the night
10. msteelers
11. redrun
12. Chrisgrenard
13. Unagi - eaten in the night
14. stessier - lynched wolf
15. Isgrimnur
16. pr0ner - eaten in the night
17. RMC
18. Lagom Lite
19. Lord Mortis - lynched Human
20. Semaj - Semaj

Majority is 5.

Semaj - 1 - Semaj

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed May 04, 2011 11:49 am

RMC wrote:What's with the self pity self voting?

It make me want to lynch you more, not less.

meh ive been not exactly having a joyous time (Not the game, its the last 2 weeks)... and so i've actually been filled with dread coming to the site recently and just not been showing up... I'm as much part of the problem as the solution this game so I'm eating one to end this monstrosity of self voting.

Hell I dont care who votes for me anymore, wolf, whatever, guys you WON now friggin signal each other and just vote all at once for your win...

i guess one of you isnt on right now or the game would be over...

worst part is, if I remove my vote, i'll get voted off anyways... so i guess I am hosed here... whee

BTW.... for the wolves, I'm pretty sure i was right, if only people listened to me... but i'll be taking a month or two month break after this...

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed May 04, 2011 12:00 pm

msteelers

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Wed May 04, 2011 12:04 pm

Lagom Lite wrote: msteelers

Any reasons for this, or do you just want to give the wolves a chance to pile on that vote?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed May 04, 2011 12:30 pm

So either (a) there aren't four bad guys left, (b) the remaining bad guys aren't coordinated, or (c) there's at least one bad guy with a vote on him. That seem about right?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed May 04, 2011 12:47 pm

Although I will say seeing the Users Browsing: chaosraven and (1/2/3) guests is giving me fits...

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed May 04, 2011 12:56 pm

redrun · Post by **redrun** » Wed May 04, 2011 1:56 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:

I guess I don't get this. For the past four weeks you've totally been coasting. No threat list, very limited discussion of play, nada help for the villagers. For the past couple of weeks, it's been "careful of your voting, it could be close!". Nothing else. Why was it suddenly important for you to show that you're watching and didn't jump on one of the possible votes?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed May 04, 2011 2:07 pm

It was simply a humorous jab at CR about the "guests". A fair number of WW players hide their online status in attempts to avoid metagaming. "I see him reading, why isn't he posting?" kinda stuff.

I haven't been voting because I haven't been sure of any further targets. We may be in a target rich environment, but we only have a limited number of misses available. Should I be trainhopping like a Depression-era hobo just because someone casts a vote? Or should I make informed decisions based on my thoughts?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed May 04, 2011 2:13 pm

And also, I've been on record in several other games and had suspicion thrust upon me because I don't like posting threat lists. If I had someone that I felt was a serious threat, there'd be a vote to follow.

And as for being helpful, as I recall I was in on the votes against both the wolves that were found, and rather early in both cases. I started the discussion early in the game about whether the psychic, if present, should reveal, and that garnered us a lot of data for the village. So forgive me if I take umbrage at your characterization that I haven't been helping the village by snowing this game under with page after page of ramblings.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:16 pm

Testy.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:16 pm

msteelers wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote: msteelers

Any reasons for this, or do you just want to give the wolves a chance to pile on that vote?

Blood-thirst.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:20 pm

Chaosraven wrote:So either (a) there aren't four bad guys left, (b) the remaining bad guys aren't coordinated, or (c) there's at least one bad guy with a vote on him. That seem about right?

Doesn't seem right at all. [grund] (a) and (b) aren't mutex with (c) [/grund]

Also, there's (d) the bad guys are trying to seem uncoordinated, making us unsure of whether tru1cy was the Witch or not.

Of course, they should have been killing Qantaga anyway since they need to get rid of the trusted. I'm next, tonight.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:27 pm

To heck with it. Lagomcide ftw.

withdraw msteelers

RMC

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:33 pm

Well.. I have made all my arguments. I am a villager. Kill me and lose the game. I however will not self vote.

msteelers · Post by **msteelers** » Wed May 04, 2011 3:53 pm

Chaosraven wrote:So either (a) there aren't four bad guys left, (b) the remaining bad guys aren't coordinated, or (c) there's at least one bad guy with a vote on him. That seem about right?

When Semaj self voted and nobody jumped on I thought it meant that he was a wolf. But then Lagom voted for me and no bad guys followed that vote either. So I don't know how likely (c) is. I would probably pick (b) just based on all of the other actions in this game. (a) is possible as well, but if you look at the night kills I think it is unlikely. We can assume the witch was alive when Newcastle died, and rshetts2 came back clean after a now proven Qantaga scanned him, so the only other candidate for a lynched witch is tru1cy.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed May 04, 2011 5:09 pm

And based on his final posts, that just may be. It would also explain people sitting at n-4 without being voted off.

Semaj · Post by **Semaj** » Wed May 04, 2011 8:41 pm

i fully expected to come back with the game over...

Withdraw Semaj

Suggestions?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed May 04, 2011 8:55 pm

How long did Semaj, msteelers, and RMC sit at 1 vote today?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed May 04, 2011 8:58 pm

Semaj (selfvote) : Wed May 04, 2011 10:06 am until Wed May 04, 2011 8:41 pm

msteelers (LL): Wed May 04, 2011 12:00 pm until Wed May 04, 2011 3:27 pm

RMC (LL): Wed May 04, 2011 3:27 pm until Current

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed May 04, 2011 9:04 pm

Well, we can't sit around here afraid to vote for the next week. I can go with RMC.

RMC