BSG VII -Sabotage -Game Over-Minor Victory-Humans

[Unagi]

Caveat, if Doc DOES NOT intend to rez Lazaremus, he obviously shouldn't self-out (duh).

I think we should all refrain from saying "I'm not the Doc" at this stage, for that very reason... right?

[Unagi]

I think actually Doc should hold his syringe for now...here's my reasoning.....

why fire blind right now with someone we know nothing about in remus? .... he could have been anything...helo, citizen, even the doc himself...but we have no game knowledge of him outside of the fact that he was teh cylons first kill. But later on in the game when some of our specials are revealed, THEN that makes a more strategic impact for humanity to surive


All in all...my vote changes to:

DOC DONT REZ

Absurd reasoning. Doc gives us back a player. A rezzed special is neutered for the round that is up next, so they could/would likely be killed before they can 're-special up'...

That being said - Remus, additionally is actually a modestly skilled player, there is that as additional reasoning to resurect him (Cylons should have had us waste the Rez on player that doesn't contribute at all). Cylons did us a favor. They made Remus trustable. ( )

Newcastle, your reasoning amounts to:
Let's pass on giving us: 2 trusted players (Remus + Doc), better odds of hitting the cylons today on a lynch, perhaps brining back a 'Special Remus'.
just in the hopes of the pipe dream of: Doc lives to see another day, down the road - where its better to Rez RandomSpecialA - so that 2 nights later, that Special can do his SpecialThing.

LASSR - CAN STARBUCK CHOOSE TO NOT PROTECT ANYONE?

I could be wrong, but I think that Starbuck was the first to actually Protect Her Shampoo.

[ChrisGrenard]

For the record, I'm in the game. I have not read any of this, nor will I be participating much until later in the week.

Just stating, for the record, I am a good guy this game. (At least for the moment. It sounds like it's pretty easy to change sides in this one.) Please don't kill/poke me for non-participation early on here.

[Semaj]

Glances at the forums*
hrm 5 pages... thats tolerable...

Only thing I have really read so far: Somethign about Doc rezzing Remus.

Reasons to: Another miss
Reasons not to: if he is an unpowered, they'll ignore him if they find someone better tomorrow. So while he is another "bullet" he isnt one they have to take anytime soon, and with the protector guy (starbck?) out there, why not save it for a special.

[theohall]

Reasons not to: if he is an unpowered, they'll ignore him if they find someone better tomorrow.

Pretty big if. No one, including the Cylons, knows if Remus West was powered or unpowered.

1) No scans of the dead out here in space, if I read the rules correctly.
2) All scans happen after assassination.
3) Ergo - no one knows crap about Remus West and resurrecting him would force them to a) scan him to find out or b) just kill him again unknowing if they avoid the scans.

The one thing for certain - RW is not an evil Cylon. I say rez him for those reasons.

[Lassr]

LASSR - CAN STARBUCK CHOOSE TO NOT PROTECT ANYONE?

yes

[bb2112]

Athena

I am in favor of Rezzing Remus with a Public proclomation by the Doc.

This gives us 2 NONCylon to work around.
This gives the Cylons a Choice: kill Doc, Remus
If the Cylons do, that leaves more Days for Athena to Live
If Athena lives, that gives more Scans

I don't see the Mistake Erasure being any better than 100% crew, with 2 Proven NonCylon, with the potential that Remus is Important (16 nonCylon, 4 Non Docs = 25%) to us.

I hate agreeing with CR, but rezing RW makes a lot of sense. I think the benefits outweigh the negatives, and it looks like most of the ship agrees. That being said, Doc still has to make up his own mind. Hmmm... Sure hope Remus wasn't the doc. That would be awkward.

[Scoop20906]

DUE  Qantaga 
 

[Lassr]

quick check in, grabbing a shower then I'll do a read through later.

[Newcastle]

DOC DONT REZ

Absurd reasoning. Doc gives us back a player. A rezzed special is neutered for the round that is up next, so they could/would likely be killed before they can 're-special up'...
[/quote]

Lassr - when can a rez'd special use their powers again? Say athena is rez'd during the day (from a previous nights kill) , can they scan at night?

[Newcastle]

Absurd reasoning. Doc gives us back a player. A rezzed special is neutered for the round that is up next, so they could/would likely be killed before they can 're-special up'...

Lassr - when can a rez'd special use their powers again? Say athena is rez'd during the day (from a previous nights kill) , can they scan at night?

RE-editing this because i mis quoted prior...

[theohall]

Just want to re-iterate the Doc does not have to reveal his identity if he brings RW back. I am against lowering the number of folks the Cylons have to choose from to find Galen or the remaining specials. I am aware the counter to this is it reduces the number of folks Athena has to choose from to find Galen, also.

So Doc rez, but do not reveal is my vote.

[Lassr]

DOC DONT REZ

Absurd reasoning. Doc gives us back a player. A rezzed special is neutered for the round that is up next, so they could/would likely be killed before they can 're-special up'...

Lassr - when can a rez'd special use their powers again? Say athena is rez'd during the day (from a previous nights kill) , can they scan at night? [/quote]

cannot use any powers during the time they were revived. Have to wait one half turn. Day rev can use at night, night rev can use at day

[Lassr]

1 Newcastle ---------- pr0ner
2 tru1cy ---------- Qantaga
3 RMC ----------
4 Isgrimnur ---------- theohall
5 Chaosraven ----------
6 bb2112 ----------
7 theohall ---------- isgrimnur
8 pr0ner ----------
9 Qantaga ----------
10 Grundbegriff ----------
11 stessier ---------- tru1cy
12 scoop ---------- Qantaga
13 redrun ----------
14 Unagi ----------
15 Lagom Lite ---------- bb2112
16 LordMortis ---------- grundbegriff
17 semaj ----------
18 ChrisGrenard ----------
19 msteelers ----------


Qantaga- 2 ---------- tru1cy, Scoop
bb2112 - 1 ---------- Lagom Lite
Grundbegriff - 1 ---------- Lord Mortis
theohall - 1 ---------- Isgrimnur
Isgrimnur - 1 ---------- Theohall
pr0ner- 1 ---------- newcastle
tru1cy- 1 ---------- stessier

Majority is: 10
Deadline is: Monday May 23rd 9 PM Central

Remus West ---------- killed

[Lassr]

1200
Five hours had passed since the hunt for the Cylons had begun. Progress was slow and the voting record showed no one had any leads or hunches. Much of the morning the conversation was centered around what to do with Remus’ body. As everyone sat around and ate lunch, Scoop kept his eyes on Qantaga. Qantaga kept looking up at him to see if he would look away and he never would. Qnataga finally spoke up, “What is it?” Scoop just mouthed a silent reply “I’m watching you.”

[Scoop20906]

Hey Q

[Qantaga]

Hey Q

Aw, Scoop. That's so sweet

[theohall]

You two leave out the schlurping noises, k? thx.

[Chaosraven]

Don't give Lassr any Game of Thrones influence for PMs, kthxbye

[theohall]

What the heck are you worried about? Ellen isn't in this game.

[tru1cy]

Bueller

Bueller

Bueller....

[stessier]

 Gund 
 


At least tru1cy is playing.

[LordMortis]

Bueller

Bueller

Bueller....

I'm not sure what the wait is for anything to at least begin moving forward. We have 4 (12 hours?) days to get a consensus or lose a lynch. If I am correct, that leave us until Tuesday. I fear this is going to work out poorly for us. But then what do I know?

Pressing check ins and then moving on, whatever. Non voting, non action, observing, ezmating whatever the term du jour is spells cylon take over.

[Qantaga]

A few game comments:

* We have several (virtually) silent players: pr0ner, Grund, Semaj, ChrisGrenard, Isgrimnur, RMC (the latter three who have ezmated)

* Of those, RMC seems to be especially out of character. I will give him the benefit of the doubt on his work blocking OO, but still two evenings with only one post from him seems odd.

* I hardly recognize Lagom and Scoop this game. By now, the two of them are usually throwing out all sorts of provocative statements and accusations (in the name of stirring things up and providing information). However, this game, they are both remarkably passive when compared to their previous game personas. Lagom's vote is just a "Contrived." While Scoop's vote is just a "Due." I've seen them both play "Bull in a China Shop" in games where they were good and in games where they were evil, so I'm not sure what to make of the kinder and gentler Lagom and Scoop.

For now, though, I will join Newcastle's vote on

 pr0ner 
 


until pr0ner shows up and begins helping, since he has yet to post.

Isgrimnur's favorite saying in GT games is, "We lynch the silent ones, because they're not helping." So, for now, that looks most like pr0ner.

[msteelers]

I hardly recognize Lagom and Scoop this game. By now, the two of them are usually throwing out all sorts of provocative statements and accusations (in the name of stirring things up and providing information). However, this game, they are both remarkably passive when compared to their previous game personas. Lagom's vote is just a "Contrived." While Scoop's vote is just a "Due." I've seen them both play "Bull in a China Shop" in games where they were good and in games where they were evil, so I'm not sure what to make of the kinder and gentler Lagom and Scoop.

My personal belief is that if I feel Lagom is a wolf, then he is usually a good guy. And if I think he's a good guy, then he's probably a bad guy. I don't think he is evil yet, which means I should probably vote for him. But, I think it's important to vote for the quiet ones right now. Since I don't think proner has posted anything yet, let's start with him.

 proner 
 

[RMC]

I think that the silent ones are also ones to look at hard. My last game has shown me that just popping in occasionally and saying something to point out why you have not been around is not a viable good guy method.

I will go with the let's make Proner talk movement.

 Pr0ner 
 


However, Tru1cy has set off my radar with some of his earlier statements. But not enough to declare him evil.

I am also okay with no lynch on day 1, as this helps ensure we don't lynch a good guy. But we need, including me. to be more active in generating conversation to have information to go on to figure out who is who.

[stessier]

From Daybreak to this post (in order of appearance)

Grund - 1
Newcastle - 13
Lagom - 12
Qantaga - 7
msteelers - 7
bb2112 - 16
redrun - 3
stessier - 12
Unagi - 6
LordMortis - 7
ChrisGrenard - 2
Chaosraven - 27
tru1cy - 6
theohall - 12
Isgrimnur - 3
RMC - 2
Scoop20906 - 6
Semaj - 1

No posts - Remus, pr0ner

 pr0ner 
 

[Lassr]

1 Newcastle ---------- pr0ner
2 tru1cy ---------- Qantaga
3 RMC ---------- pr0ner
4 Isgrimnur ---------- theohall
5 Chaosraven ----------
6 bb2112 ----------
7 theohall ---------- isgrimnur
8 pr0ner ----------
9 Qantaga ---------- pr0ner
10 Grundbegriff ----------
11 stessier ---------- pr0ner
12 scoop ---------- Qantaga
13 redrun ----------
14 Unagi ----------
15 Lagom Lite ---------- bb2112
16 LordMortis ---------- grundbegriff
17 semaj ----------
18 ChrisGrenard ----------
19 msteelers ---------- pr0ner


pr0ner- 5 ---------- newcastle, Qantaga, msteelers,RMC, stessier
Qantaga- 2 ---------- tru1cy, Scoop
Grundbegriff - 1 ---------- Lord Mortis
bb2112 - 1 ---------- Lagom Lite
theohall - 1 ---------- Isgrimnur
Isgrimnur - 1 ---------- Theohall
----------

Majority is: 10
Deadline is: Monday May 23rd 9 PM Central

Remus West ---------- killed

[tru1cy]

 withdraw qantaga 
 
since he posted something...

I'll join  pr0ner 
 

[redrun]

 withdraw qantaga 
 
since he posted something...

I'll join  pr0ner 
 

That puts him up to six. As much as I want to poke the silent, I think Pr0ner should be given a little time to respond to the poke at this point.

Hmm, Lagom, Isgrimner, or ChrisG?

 ChrisGernard 
 

[RMC]

We are at 6 votes on Pr0ner, so I hope he speaks up...

[LordMortis]

 withdraw qantaga 
 
since he posted something...

I'll join  pr0ner 
 

That puts him up to six. As much as I want to poke the silent, I think Pr0ner should be given a little time to respond to the poke at this point.

Hmm, Lagom, Isgrimner, or ChrisG?

 ChrisGernard 
 

Is should be more than a poke. It should be a very real threat. Humanity will die if we allow non voting, people sitting on their perches expecting to swoop in with last minute revelations and then blame our woes on others.

At the same time, I think people should be allowed to come to this realization before railroading them. I will move my vote to pr0ner if that realization doesn't set in soon enough. And quite frankly for me my votes will mostly sit on people who don't vote. Participation and post count, whatever. Survival is about voting.

[LordMortis]

5 Chaosraven ----------
6 bb2112 ----------
8 pr0ner ----------
10 Grundbegriff ----------
13 redrun ----------
14 Unagi ----------
17 semaj ----------
18 ChrisGrenard ----------

List for later.

[Isgrimnur]

I'm here and reading, but the last few days have been killer with my allergies. Devoting deep thought to anything has been too much of a chore for much of anything outside my own misery.

[Newcastle]

We are at 6 votes on Pr0ner, so I hope he speaks up...

there is a chance he could have been silenced by the cylons...why...on day 1....goodness knows...its a 1 time power as CR noted.....they could easily have silenced him so that we'd be incensed by his silenced and set him up for our day 1 lynch....hopefully he pipes in here soon.

[Newcastle]

also maybe its so slow because one of our verbal-diarhea posters has been eliminated....look on the bright side at least we wont have tons of posts to search through when we're going back through the thread.

[bb2112]

5 Chaosraven ----------
6 bb2112 ----------
8 pr0ner ----------
10 Grundbegriff ----------
13 redrun ----------
14 Unagi ----------
17 semaj ----------
18 ChrisGrenard ----------

List for later.

Although I agree with the sentiment, vote or die, I've been holding off my vote to see if we can get anything a little juicier to go on other than silence. Or to see if Doc makes a move and shakes up the board by rezing Remus. I figure I have a few more days in real life before the deadline, so unless something becomes a little more clear, I will hold off for now. If Pr0ner only can get on in the evening though, we can wait and see what he says tonight. 6 votes for him so far so be careful about piling on and "accidentally" airlocking him.

[Scoop20906]

 pr0ner 
 
If you can't aquit you must convict.

[Scoop20906]

Im afraid of diatribes days are over. My workplace blocked OO so everything is now posted through my iphone now which sucks.

[theohall]

I am also okay with no lynch on day 1, as this helps ensure we don't lynch a good guy.

?? This means the Cylons kill someone at night while we kill no one - giving them two kills to our none with no chance of taking out a Cylon.

IMO, the votes on pr0ner look like a Cylon pr0ner train since it is only Wednesday.

 RMC