Octopus Overlords

by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:16 pm

1. Qantaga
2. msteelers
3. Semaj
4. RMC

Qantaga, I'll give anyone the benefit of a doubt. I don't know about you - but you're my best guess. You've been under the radar the whole game. When I finally shove you into the spotlight, you suddenly leap into action, defending yourself and fighting. Do you see how that is suspicious?

When did you express concern about msteelers? Because at this point, it looks like you are trying to garner trust by hanging out your evil partner.

by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:18 pm

And your opinion of me smells triggercut. How is my suspecting you evil behavior? Would I be less suspicious if I suspected someone else?

by **Qantaga** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:42 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:And your opinion of me smells triggercut. How is my suspecting you evil behavior? Would I be less suspicious if I suspected someone else?

Lagom, there is most definitely triggercut in my opinion of you. But, triggercut is not always wrong. I know I'm good. I don't know why you are so vociferous in your accusation of me when your entire accusation of me is based entirely on me "being incognito."

Yet, you yourself admitted that you stopped reading the thread at page 40. If you had bothered to read from that point on (while I don't think I was incognito before page 40), you would see that I have been anything but incognito when the game geared up and information was becoming more readily available.

You also accused me of jumping on a Semaj train that did not exist, which seems mighty Cylonic to me.

Plus, early on, I commented that you and Scoop were not playing your normal, aggressive games and that you were in fact much lower key than usual (something you have admitted in this game). I was right about Scoop, so I could very well be right about you.

You have no problem casting a seemingly stubborn vote on me, not because of my game thoughts and actions, but because you say I've been joking and hiding, when you yourself are much lower key than normal. You say we should compare each to each and not apples to oranges. But, my behavior this game is much more in line with my behavior in previous games, while your behavior is much different, by your own admission.

So, yes, I (knowing I'm good) would be less suspicious of you, if you suspected someone else. Although, if (at this late moment of the game) you had blinders on in regards to someone else (like you do apparently on me), I would probably be just as suspicious of you, even if you were focused on someone else.

by **Qantaga** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:53 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:When did you express concern about msteelers? Because at this point, it looks like you are trying to garner trust by hanging out your evil partner.

I have expressed concern about all unknowns. msteelers has not been at the top of my list until today.

However, I have no knowledge of good (other than myself) and evil. I'm trying to figure it out as I go.

One thing I learned from Bond II is to keep an open mind. I went into the final day, convinced that Scoop was evil. Then, as that day unfolded, I focused solely on Unagi. All the while, stessier was waiting in the wings and pounced for victory as soon as he got the chance. If I had stopped and taken a clean slate approach in that game, it might have turned out differently.

Chaos' death is what led me to msteelers. I could easily be wrong, since I've been wrong most of this game, but he's my best guess right now.

by **Qantaga** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 2:59 pm

Unagi wrote:
Qantaga wrote:As I read back through the thread this morning, it did seem that msteelers and Grund were working in a shadowy tandem. And, I still just can't shake the Unagi/msteelers interaction over worrying about Zarek.
redrun and Lord Mortis were some other players that had some nightmares about Zarek... and they were poised to become his Cabinet Members.... so, I am not convinced the"Zarek" connection has proven to produce toast.

If msteelers is a cylon, personally, I think that increases the odds of RMC being the final cylon.
If RMC is a cylon, it doesn't nessisarily bring any light on the 'msteelers/grund connection'.

Yes, that's a good point about redrun and LM. I suppose that it was more msteelers back and forth with you, with a Grund interjection about the TV show at the same time (top of page 41), that pointed at their (in my read through) tandem.

Plus, RMC wasn't the only one they were in agreement on:

bb2112 wrote:Stessier - Lord Mortis, Remus, Msteelers, Unagi, Newcastle, Lagom Lite, RMC, Qantaga, Grund
RMC - Lord Morts, Msteelers, Chaosraven, New Castle, Redrun, Grund, Isgrimnur

This was during the time of the "bolded" votes, when we weren't "accusing" yet.

Of course, LM was on both of those "votes," too, so maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part.

by **Semaj** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:04 pm

Our people:
1 RMC ----------
2 pr0ner ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
4 Unagi ----------
5 Lagom Lite ----------
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ----------

Not possible cylons:
2 pr0ner ----------
4 Unagi ----------

Meaning we have 2 cylons in:
1 RMC ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
5 Lagom Lite ----------
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ----------

Since i Know I am not one
1 RMC ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
5 Lagom Lite ----------
7 msteelers ----------

which means for the rest of you who are willing to believe I am not one, if we miss today, the other two people are cylons. (Yay your 100%)
if we hit one, life is mildly more difficult tomorrow, but a possibility I am willing to accept.

With 2 people bad and 4 needed, be careful how you throw your vote around.

I still like Msteelers, but I have ot head to work in about an hour or so and while i'd like to claim I will be reading, showering and eating take priority. I'll see if I can get some done while fooding shortly. But since I like msteelers, it means I might want to keep an open mind.... since everyone is saying him, it might be easy to flock to a vote for him.

However if you are all re-reading (mainly the two trusteds) look for 2 things:
Someone who seems to be following someone who is innocents lead (or backing them up) when it makes no sense for them to do it.
Someone who spends the first day with his vote somewhere silly, then moves it only when "convinced"

I'd say be wary of interaction and hidden jokes...

Hrm... anyone post the voting tallies the last day or 3 and I miss it? I need to check them out...

by **Semaj** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:09 pm

for those not in the know.. the first part isnt my way of calling you guys stupid... its my way of reminding myself where we are as a group..

I tend to lose track fo the onvious things, lol

by **Qantaga** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:50 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:How is my suspecting you evil behavior?

Lagom, I tried to think about this a little more this afternoon.

In additiion to what I posted earlier, it's not that you suspect me (in and of itself) that makes me suspicious of you.

It's the "way" you suspect me.

You spent three massive posts reaching the conclusion that I am evil. Yet, when I responded, you called it "panic."

Then, you made it abundantly clear that you intended to vote on me, but followed that by saying that you "expect me to push hard for your death" today.

It's not just that you suspect me of being evil. It's that you have constructed this box, that not only do you think I'm guilty, but any possible move, thought, or post I make (if it is directed at you) is also inherently evil. I would think that any human without absolute knowledge of who is good and who is evil would be more open minded than that.

by **Semaj** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:39 pm

At this point if you dont suspect someone who isnt trusted you need ot have your head examined.

Just dont stick hard to old thought patterns and re-read once or so...'

Usually you'll be surprised by what you pick up.

by **Unagi** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:44 pm

Semaj wrote:Our people:
1 RMC ----------
2 pr0ner ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
4 Unagi ----------
5 Lagom Lite ----------
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ----------

Not possible cylons:
2 pr0ner ----------
4 Unagi ----------

Meaning we have 2 cylons in:
1 RMC ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
5 Lagom Lite ----------
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ----------

Since i Know I am not one
1 RMC ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
5 Lagom Lite ----------
7 msteelers ----------

which means for the rest of you who are willing to believe I am not one, if we miss today, the other two people are cylons. (Yay your 100%)
if we hit one, life is mildly more difficult tomorrow, but a possibility I am willing to accept.

Give me YOUR FOUR - In order. That's ALL I really want to hear from you....

That's IT semaj. Really.

The above is just totaly worthless noise that we are all totally aware of.

by **Semaj** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:46 pm

you want me to make up 4 on th spot?

Before I re-read:

Msteelers
RMC
LL
Q

After a re-read all bets are off?

I hate giving a list I know is changing... but there you go

by **Unagi** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:49 pm

no, I don't want just some list that you later say you want to totally change. I want an honest assement of the world around you - and your honest opinion, Ranked, on who YOU think the cylons are.

Not hard.

Not a strange request.

if you can't do it now. Do it later. If you can't find the time - you will lose the game for us, as I am likely to just vote you off just in protest.

by **RMC** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:07 pm

Here is my List:

msteelers
semaj
Lagom Lite
Qantaga

I am as sure as I can be that msteelers is a Cylon. I am waffaling on semaj, and LL. But I think LL is good.

And I have been reading Qantaga as good in the last few pages.

I have been off on some of my guesses. But I want to vote msteelers today.

by **pr0ner** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:50 pm

Everyone seems to think Qantaga is very evil, or very good. There seems to be no middle ground with him.

by **Lassr** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:08 pm

1 RMC ----------
2 pr0ner ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
4 Unagi ----------
5 Lagom Lite ---------- Qantaga
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ----------
.
.
Qantaga 1 ---------- Lagom Lite
----------
----------
----------

Majority is: 4
Deadline is: Wednesday, June 21st 8 PM Central

ChrisGrenard - executed-human
theohall - scalped
Isgrimnur - strangled-human
scoop - executed-Cylon
Newcastle - beaten to death
redrun - executed-human
bb2112 - knifed
tru1cy - executed-Cylon
Remus West - butchered
Grundbegriff - boom goes the dynamite
stessier - blown
LordMortis - executed-human
Chaosraven - extreme S&M

by **msteelers** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:40 pm

Busy day, I just got home. Not much time to be in-depth, but here is my four:

1) RMC - For all the reasons I previously mentioned, plus his vote for me amounts to one big triggercut.
2) Lagom - Suddenly very helpful, which is usually how he plays the game when he is evil.
3) Qantaga - I'm leaning good on him, but I couldn't tell you why.
4) Semaj - Under my radar most of the game. No strong feeling one way or another, which means I need to take a close look at his posts.

I reserve the right to change anything in the above list once I go back through the thread.

by **Semaj** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:51 am

Unagi wrote:no, I don't want just some list that you later say you want to totally change. I want an honest assement of the world around you - and your honest opinion, Ranked, on who YOU think the cylons are.

Not hard.

Not a strange request.

if you can't do it now. Do it later. If you can't find the time - you will lose the game for us, as I am likely to just vote you off just in protest.

gee... cant imagine why I didnt want to give a list till I had re-read...

o no... you are not agreeing with my sentiment at all... but since you asked.. nay demanded a list... thats what you get till I crawl out of bed in the am... since I am just getting in from work.

by **Unagi** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:15 am

my point wasn't to demand a list "NOW", semaj.
It was to demand a sincere list.

You've got a whole weekend to find a smidgen of sobriety in.

by **pr0ner** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:09 pm

Unagi wrote:my point wasn't to demand a list "NOW", semaj.
It was to demand a sincere list.

You've got a whole weekend to find a smidgen of sobriety in.

by **Lassr** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:06 pm

1130

The day started with a quick vote for Qantaga and that's about as far as it had gotten by the time lunch was served. As they were eaten what little was left they started naming their top suspects and comparing lists. "Semaj, how about a list!" Unagi yells out.
Semaj gets up from his chair and points at Unagi, "Look...I....look..." He takes a steps and stumbles over the leg of the chair. "Frak me! Look I...uh...I." Semaj raises his left hand and rubs his eyes, "I will get chu a lwist when I can fink...think more...uh...more clearwe...clearey...clear-ly." Semaj props himself up against a storage locker. "You just need to be pesch...payshun...you just need to wait." He leans his head against the locker and is quiet. Everyone returns to eating their lunch; a few glance back at semaj wondering if this was some kind of ruse.

by **Semaj** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:03 am

Lassr wrote:1130

The day started with a quick vote for Qantaga and that's about as far as it had gotten by the time lunch was served. As they were eaten what little was left they started naming their top suspects and comparing lists. "Semaj, how about a list!" Unagi yells out.
Semaj gets up from his chair and points at Unagi, "Look...I....look..." He takes a steps and stumbles over the leg of the chair. "Frak me! Look I...uh...I." Semaj raises his left hand and rubs his eyes, "I will get chu a lwist when I can fink...think more...uh...more clearwe...clearey...clear-ly." Semaj props himself up against a storage locker. "You just need to be pesch...payshun...you just need to wait." He leans his head against the locker and is quiet. Everyone returns to eating their lunch; a few glance back at semaj wondering if this was some kind of ruse.

SO WRONG

I was expecting to die somehow, lol

I WORK AT A BAR! DONT JUDGE ME!

by **Lassr** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:46 am

Semaj wrote:
Lassr wrote:1130

The day started with a quick vote for Qantaga and that's about as far as it had gotten by the time lunch was served. As they were eaten what little was left they started naming their top suspects and comparing lists. "Semaj, how about a list!" Unagi yells out.
Semaj gets up from his chair and points at Unagi, "Look...I....look..." He takes a steps and stumbles over the leg of the chair. "Frak me! Look I...uh...I." Semaj raises his left hand and rubs his eyes, "I will get chu a lwist when I can fink...think more...uh...more clearwe...clearey...clear-ly." Semaj props himself up against a storage locker. "You just need to be pesch...payshun...you just need to wait." He leans his head against the locker and is quiet. Everyone returns to eating their lunch; a few glance back at semaj wondering if this was some kind of ruse.

SO WRONG

I was expecting to die somehow, lol

I WORK AT A BAR! DONT JUDGE ME!

All in fun. I really don't think Chaos is into necrophilia...I hope... :shock:

by **Chaosraven** » Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:09 pm

by **bb2112** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 11:54 am

Lassr wrote: All in fun. I really don't think Chaos is into necrophilia...I hope...

Oh you so don't know CR :lol:

by **Semaj** » Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:17 pm

Subject: BSG VII -Sabotage -day 6

Semaj wrote:My money is on scoop being evil.

MAN I WAS GOOD!

If only,,, people had listened....

lmao

by **Lassr** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 12:15 pm

1415

The room grew quiet after lunch, a few kept an eye on semaj as he slept, once he raised his head and said, "I work at a bar!" Qantaga looked quizzically at msteeler and pr0ner, they each shrugged their shoulders in return. In the background music could be heard; who turned on a radio? Maybe it had been playing all along but it couldn't be heard over all the debating.
"And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence"

by **Semaj** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:36 pm

theohall wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
theohall wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
tru1cy wrote:I was going to point a target at Qantaga, because he has to be due and I am still feeling salty from last game . After reading CR and BB1122 I could be persuaded to vote for either of them

Wow, it is comments like this that is going to make me stop posting. The let's kill the guy that is actually trying to help argument is not actually helpful.

Helping doesn't make you innocent. Go read the game prior to The Fast-Action/Waiting Room and you will see what I mean. Some of us were "helping" early to make us look "good" later.

Oh yeah, totally get that. But if people are going to use that logic for a lynch (especially for the first lynch) then why speak up at all. Just sit back like the other 14 people this game and not say anything and blend in the background. No worries.

Just want to point out it's Monday of Day One. Some folks don't post in the day time at all. Some folks, semaj, seem to post only late at night, in the wee hours of the morning, or early in the morning when getting his hangover medicine. Patience.

he gets me!

im so hugging theo one of these days... well.. in a manly way anyways (see look im reading through them all now)

Interesting intereaction between chaos, bb112, and tru1cy... but no one else... yet.... its early... i'll glean something.

by **Semaj** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:37 pm

which reminds me... does everyone really think I am perpetually hungover?

by **Semaj** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:42 pm

Newcastle wrote:So most of us chiming in so far, except for 2 folks....semaj the wonder drunk; and proner El verbosity himself...or am i missing anyone.

Lassr...whens the deadline?

no seriously, this is like the 7th reference by page 4... I'm getting a complex...

by **stessier** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 3:52 pm

Semaj wrote:which reminds me... does everyone really think I am perpetually hungover?

Yes.

by **Newcastle** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:09 pm

Semaj wrote:which reminds me... does everyone really think I am perpetually hungover?

yes

by **Semaj** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:43 pm

words cannot express how much I hate you guys...

Screw you guys, i'm going home...

by **theohall** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:46 pm

Lassr wrote:1415

The room grew quiet after lunch, a few kept an eye on semaj as he slept, once he raised his head and said, "I work at a bar!" Qantaga looked quizzically at msteeler and pr0ner, they each shrugged their shoulders in return. In the background music could be heard; who turned on a radio? Maybe it had been playing all along but it couldn't be heard over all the debating.
"And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence"

Airlock Simon & Garfunkel

:binky:

by **bb2112** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 6:56 pm

Lassr wrote:1415

The room grew quiet after lunch, a few kept an eye on semaj as he slept, once he raised his head and said, "I work at a bar!" Qantaga looked quizzically at msteeler and pr0ner, they each shrugged their shoulders in return. In the background music could be heard; who turned on a radio? Maybe it had been playing all along but it couldn't be heard over all the debating.
"And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence"

If Lassr is hearing music, and nobody else is, does that mean he is a cylon? :binky:

by **Lassr** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:23 pm

by **msteelers** » Mon Jun 20, 2011 8:05 pm

msteelers wrote:Busy day, I just got home. Not much time to be in-depth, but here is my four:

1) RMC - For all the reasons I previously mentioned, plus his vote for me amounts to one big triggercut.
2) Lagom - Suddenly very helpful, which is usually how he plays the game when he is evil.
3) Qantaga - I'm leaning good on him, but I couldn't tell you why.
4) Semaj - Under my radar most of the game. No strong feeling one way or another, which means I need to take a close look at his posts.

I reserve the right to change anything in the above list once I go back through the thread.

After a busy weekend where I didn't think about the game, I went back through the thread with a somewhat fresh outlook, and came up with an almost identical list to the one above.

Two that I find most likely to be Cylons:
RMC
Lagom

Two that don't really give off a Cylon vibe:
Qantaga
Semaj

RMC has been my top suspect most of the game, beginning with his immediate acceptance of theohall as the seer. But I feel like I've been on a streak where I latch onto players for a reason and push for their vote all game long, only to have them come up innocent. After my reread, I'm still stuck on RMC as one of the remaining cylons. But I don't want to be doomed to repeat history again. I'll vote for him if a couple of votes are put on him, but for now I'm going to shift my attention to Lagom.

A non-powered Lagom typically draws up controversy early in the game, trying to draw information out of people. But a powered Lagom (either a bad guy, or powered good guy) is different. He plays more reserved, trying to stay under the radar. That's what he has done this game. He stayed low throughout, not causing any waves. We now know that there are no more specials available, so that means he's playing like evil Lagom.

Lagom

by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:10 am

msteelers wrote:
msteelers wrote:Busy day, I just got home. Not much time to be in-depth, but here is my four:

1) RMC - For all the reasons I previously mentioned, plus his vote for me amounts to one big triggercut.
2) Lagom - Suddenly very helpful, which is usually how he plays the game when he is evil.
3) Qantaga - I'm leaning good on him, but I couldn't tell you why.
4) Semaj - Under my radar most of the game. No strong feeling one way or another, which means I need to take a close look at his posts.

I reserve the right to change anything in the above list once I go back through the thread.

After a busy weekend where I didn't think about the game, I went back through the thread with a somewhat fresh outlook, and came up with an almost identical list to the one above.

Two that I find most likely to be Cylons:
RMC
Lagom

Two that don't really give off a Cylon vibe:
Qantaga
Semaj

RMC has been my top suspect most of the game, beginning with his immediate acceptance of theohall as the seer. But I feel like I've been on a streak where I latch onto players for a reason and push for their vote all game long, only to have them come up innocent. After my reread, I'm still stuck on RMC as one of the remaining cylons. But I don't want to be doomed to repeat history again. I'll vote for him if a couple of votes are put on him, but for now I'm going to shift my attention to Lagom.

A non-powered Lagom typically draws up controversy early in the game, trying to draw information out of people. But a powered Lagom (either a bad guy, or powered good guy) is different. He plays more reserved, trying to stay under the radar. That's what he has done this game. He stayed low throughout, not causing any waves. We now know that there are no more specials available, so that means he's playing like evil Lagom.

Lagom

You know nothing of my work!

Like I said before, I was trying to fake Starbuck early game. I didn't have much time to spend anyway (still don't, but now I have no reason to keep the facade, so there I go).

If I'm evil, why did I go after Grund like a tick? Why did I try to stop the LM train? Just a devious, cunning plot to become trusted? While I have the audacity, it would be just a easy for me to play incompetent.

I think you're a cylon. There seems to be a consensus about you, too.

withdraw Qantaga

msteelers

by **Qantaga** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 7:59 am

Lassr wrote:"And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence"

Funny. Paul Simon (Graceland) was my traveling companion yesterday. Vacation is over.

We came home Sunday night, then I hopped on a plane early Monday morning for Memphis. I spent the day working and then drove down through the Mississippi delta:

The Mississippi Delta was shining
Like a National guitar
I am following the river
Down the highway
Through the cradle of the civil war

As for the game:

Lassr wrote:Deadline is: Wednesday, June 21st 8 PM Central

It's time to make some decisions.

There are a couple of things that are tugging at my mind that I want to double check. I've got another long drive this morning, but I'll have access again by mid-afternoon.

by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:12 am

1 RMC ----------
2 pr0ner ----------
3 Qantaga ----------
4 Unagi ----------
5 Lagom Lite ---------- msteelers
6 semaj ----------
7 msteelers ---------- Lagom Lite
.
.
msteelers 1 ---------- Lagom Lite
Lagom Lite 1 ---------- msteelers
----------
----------
----------

Majority is: 4
Deadline is: Wednesday, June 21st 8 PM Central

ChrisGrenard - executed-human
theohall - scalped
Isgrimnur - strangled-human
scoop - executed-Cylon
Newcastle - beaten to death
redrun - executed-human
bb2112 - knifed
tru1cy - executed-Cylon
Remus West - butchered
Grundbegriff - boom goes the dynamite
stessier - blown
LordMortis - executed-human
Chaosraven - extreme S&M

by **Lagom Lite** » Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:57 pm

Come on people... where is everyone?

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