BSG VII -Sabotage -Game Over-Minor Victory-Humans

[Unagi]

Let's kill Lagom.
If he is human, we can run down his Cylon list and blame him if we lose.

[pr0ner]

The interesting turn being RMC refusing to put the kill vote on when he had the chance.

Thanks for taking your vote off steelers, Unagi.

[pr0ner]

Let's kill Lagom.
If he is human, we can run down his Cylon list and blame him if we lose.

Why Lagom and not Mr. Ezmate Qantaga?

[Unagi]

Lagom

• 1. Qantaga
• 2. msteelers
• 3. Semaj
• 4. RMC

I guess just because it seems like we all think Lagom is a little creepy.

Additionally, regarding Qantaga, I - well, I sorta always see him as Evil hiding behind innocence, and well - I was horribly wrong about it once.

So, while I absolutely see what you all see in Qantaga - I just, well, I just am gun shy on it a little.

I am fine with testing pretty much anyone, spare Semaj and yourself, today.

{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / RMC}
{msteelers / Lagom}
{Lagom / RMC}

If Semaj is human, those are our 6 possible pairs.

After today, whether we HIT or MISS - we can take that list of 6 and turn it into 3.

What's funny is that Semaj will likely be the one to win or lose this game for us. (if he's human)

Semaj's many lists:
1. msteelers
2. RMC
3. Lagom
4. Qantaga

1. RMC
2. Quantaga
3. Msteelers
4. LL

1. LL
2. Msteelers
3. Q
4. RMC


(Semaj, I am sure later you will be able to pick one of those lists and point out that you were very close to right)


pr0ner, if you want to test Qantaga, I am down with that. Raven-1 was pushing Qantaga, he's ezmated the game away, and he seems to be possibly shadowing my 'hit list'.

[Lagom Lite]

I guess just because it seems like we all think Lagom is a little creepy.

Is that reason enough to waste our last miss? You really think I'm evil?

[pr0ner]

Lagom

• 1. Qantaga
• 2. msteelers
• 3. Semaj
• 4. RMC

I guess just because it seems like we all think Lagom is a little creepy.

Additionally, regarding Qantaga, I - well, I sorta always see him as Evil hiding behind innocence, and well - I was horribly wrong about it once.

So, while I absolutely see what you all see in Qantaga - I just, well, I just am gun shy on it a little.

I am fine with testing pretty much anyone, spare Semaj and yourself, today.

{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / RMC}
{msteelers / Lagom}
{Lagom / RMC}

If Semaj is human, those are our 6 possible pairs.

After today, whether we HIT or MISS - we can take that list of 6 and turn it into 3.

What's funny is that Semaj will likely be the one to win or lose this game for us. (if he's human)

Semaj's many lists:
1. msteelers
2. RMC
3. Lagom
4. Qantaga

1. RMC
2. Quantaga
3. Msteelers
4. LL

1. LL
2. Msteelers
3. Q
4. RMC


(Semaj, I am sure later you will be able to pick one of those lists and point out that you were very close to right)


pr0ner, if you want to test Qantaga, I am down with that. Raven-1 was pushing Qantaga, he's ezmated the game away, and he seems to be possibly shadowing my 'hit list'.

Honestly, I get the feeling that if Qantaga is evil, Lagom isn't, and vice versa.

RMC's post this morning's still giving me the heebie-jeebies, though.

[Unagi]

You really think I'm evil?

You don't think that being mostly quiet the whole game until the last few days is a little, well - evil?
You and Qantaga come across the same way, in that regard. I do believe you've railed against Qantaga for that very reason (be you Human or Cylon...).

Additionally - you seem to be Completely Over the RMC/Grund/Msteelers thing (to the degree that you have Semaj listed above RMC) that seems a little odd.

Really - it's the end of your threat list that actually looks the worst to me:
1. Qantaga
2. msteelers
3. Semaj
4. RMC

Nearly everyone has some concerns that the RMC / Grund connection perhaps points to RMC. You've got him below Semaj on your radar.

I was willing to kill you and then procede with your analysis. If you are not OK with that, I suppose you fear RMC may be a Cylon after all? Or that Semaj is...

[Unagi]

Honestly, I get the feeling that if Qantaga is evil, Lagom isn't, and vice versa.

RMC's post this morning's still giving me the heebie-jeebies, though.

OK, so (and, I know it's just a feeling) - if you feel this:

{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / RMC}
{msteelers / Lagom}
{Lagom / RMC}

It may be wisest to test RMC or msteelers today, so as to come into tomorrow with 3(+1) knocked off the list.
See what I am getting at there?

The RMC move was really odd. (IMO) Especially after all they've been through.

[pr0ner]

Honestly, I get the feeling that if Qantaga is evil, Lagom isn't, and vice versa.

RMC's post this morning's still giving me the heebie-jeebies, though.

OK, so (and, I know it's just a feeling) - if you feel this:

{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / RMC}
{msteelers / Lagom}
{Lagom / RMC}

It may be wisest to test RMC or msteelers today, so as to come into tomorrow with 3(+1) knocked off the list.
See what I am getting at there?

The RMC move was really odd. (IMO) Especially after all they've been through.

I see what you're getting at. I'm just trying to work out the logistics of testing him vs. testing Qantaga.

[Unagi]

Let's run through a few scenarios... A bit of a "what will tomorrow look like"
(lord save me if Semaj is Cylon....)

We test Qantaga - and he is Cylon:
{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Qantaga / msteelers}
- - - we find his partner in here

We test Qantaga - and he is Human:
{msteelers / RMC}
{msteelers / Lagom}
{Lagom / RMC}
- - - we have these pairs to consider


We test RMC - and he is Cylon:
{Qantaga / RMC}
{msteelers / RMC}
{Lagom / RMC}
- - - we find his partner in here

We test RMC - and he is Human:
{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / Lagom}
- - - we have these pairs to consider


Worst case is that our Test (whom ever) is a Human.

Looking above - it looks like the the RMC test leaves us in the 'best' position, if we run with the idea that Lagom and Qantaga are not partners. (In that it HANDS US msteelers as one of the remaining partners)

See that?

[pr0ner]

Ugh. The problem is we've got so many people ezmating that I'm afraid we won't get to 4 on someone. msteelers said he probably won't be back today to vote. RMC isn't going to vote for himself. I don't know what Lagom or Qantaga is going to do, and semaj is probably asleep.

Right now, we need to decide who out of {RMC | Qantaga | Lagom} we can get 4 votes on, and do it.

[Unagi]

I think if we can get Lagom and Semaj to chime in (or Qantaga) that they would help us test RMC, we should maybe do that.
If we don't get that, I think we are almost forced to act on msteelers.


We test msteelers - and he is Cylon:
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / RMC}
{msteelers / Lagom}
- - - we find his partner in here

We test msteelers - and he is Human:
{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Lagom / RMC}
- - - we have these pairs to consider
(That, in effect hands us RMC, if we run with the "No Lagom/Qantaga team-up")


As you can see, I'd like to poise ourselves for a bit of a "If we miss today, we won't miss tomorrow" moment (as best we can)....

(all of this is leveraging the idea that Semaj is human and Qantaga and Lagom are not teamed)

[Unagi]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but Chaos really should have shot Grund.

[stessier]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but Chaos really should have shot Grund.

I agree!

[Semaj]

Which lynch today yields the most informaion?

[Semaj]

yeah I do like making a bajillionty lists.

So RMC didnt vote for msteelers. (On a kill vote?)

Up til that point I really was getting behind Q and Msteelers...

Does RMC (who I am apt to think might be good, other than grund going at him like a pit-bull for 3 days) gives us more info, or does Q?

[RMC]

What was wrong with waiting for him to defend himself?

What did I say that was wrong?

I have been pushing for him for a few days?

Whatever..

 msteelers 
 

[RMC]

yeah I do like making a bajillionty lists.

So RMC didnt vote for msteelers. (On a kill vote?)

Up til that point I really was getting behind Q and Msteelers...

Does RMC (who I am apt to think might be good, other than grund going at him like a pit-bull for 3 days) gives us more info, or does Q?

Why would I just jump on when we have time? We have until 8pm tonight. I wanted to hear what Msteelers had to say, or someone else might have said before I put in the kill vote.

Maybe I should have just voted, but why would what I said, which was to vote for him when I got out of work, suddenly make Q withdraw? That just points more toward him being a Cylon not me.

Sheesh... I thought my going after two cylons would at least help prove I am not a cylon, but I guess not.

If you want me to vote for Q, and test Msteelers next I will do that.

[Semaj]

its not horrible for you, but a interesting piece of information.

I think Msteelers might be the telling lynch... but right now look at it from the good guys prespective... say we miss... whats the best information gathering miss we can have?

[Lagom Lite]

There's a RMC-msteelers-Grund connection? I'd go back and read, but to be honest I just don't have the strength.

If the group desperately wants test RMC, I could be persuaded to vote for him. I haven't personally seen how RMC is evil, but of course I could be wrong. I'd vote Qantaga in a heart beat, in fact I'd rather test him than msteelers.

I'm going to bed in about three hours. I'll check this thread tomorrow morning. How much time do we have? Should I switch my vote back to Qantaga as per Unagi's analysis?

[Semaj]

8pm tonight from what I hear...

Q isnt a bad slelection. If you think he is the most evil, vote for him and check back before you leave for the day?

[Qantaga]

Maybe I should have just voted, but why would what I said, which was to vote for him when I got out of work, suddenly make Q withdraw? That just points more toward him being a Cylon not me.

Whoa, there. I did not withdraw my vote from msteelers. That was Unagi.

[Unagi]

Maybe I should have just voted, but why would what I said, which was to vote for him when I got out of work, suddenly make Q withdraw? That just points more toward him being a Cylon not me.

Whoa, there. I did not withdraw my vote from msteelers. That was Unagi.

OK.

Do we take anything away from this 'boo boo' from RMC.

Do we dare proclaim: RMC and Q are NOT on a team.

There is some thought that Q and Lagom are not on a team (from pr0ner, and I can see what he sees too).

I think that we poise ourself best by leaving Q/RMC/Lagom off the table today and instead test msteelers.

This could lead us in this direction, tomorrow:

We test msteelers - and he is Cylon:
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / RMC}
{msteelers / Lagom}
- - - we find his partner in here (and I think a Cylon Hit today earns us 2 misses, versus the 1 we have right now)

We test msteelers - and he is Human:
{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Lagom / RMC}
- - - we have these pairs to consider

[Unagi]

Maybe I should have just voted, but why would what I said, which was to vote for him when I got out of work, suddenly make Q withdraw? That just points more toward him being a Cylon not me.

Whoa, there. I did not withdraw my vote from msteelers. That was Unagi.

If you and RMC are faking this whole thing... Bravo.

[pr0ner]

Another mistake from RMC?

RMC, if you're human, way to screw us over.

 RMC 
 

[Unagi]

OK, so pr0ner - it was a mistake. What do you read from that mistake?

Do you think he faked that, or do you think that shows us that RMC and Qantaga are not on a team?

We test msteelers - and he is Human:
{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Lagom / RMC}
- - - we have our cylons

(I admit, that's on the death of Human msteelers, the belief that those two pairs are not in this game, and the belief that Semaj is human)


But, you would rather shot for:

We test RMC - and he is Cylon:
{Qantaga / RMC}
{msteelers / RMC}
{Lagom / RMC}
- - - we find his partner in here (with plenty of misses to do it)

We test RMC - and he is Human:
{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / Lagom}
- - - we have these pairs to consider

[Lassr]

RMC ---------- msteelers
pr0ner ---------- RMC
Qantaga ---------- msteelers
Unagi ----------
Lagom Lite ---------- msteelers
semaj ----------
msteelers ---------- Lagom Lite
.
.
msteelers 3 ---------- Lagom Lite, Qantaga, RMC
Lagom Lite 1 ---------- msteelers
RMC 1 ---------- Pr0ner
----------
----------

Majority is: 4
Deadline is: Wednesday, June 22nd 8 PM Central

ChrisGrenard - executed-human
theohall - scalped
Isgrimnur - strangled-human
scoop - executed-Cylon
Newcastle - beaten to death
redrun - executed-human
bb2112 - knifed
tru1cy - executed-Cylon
Remus West - butchered
Grundbegriff - boom goes the dynamite
stessier - blown
LordMortis - executed-human
Chaosraven - extreme S&M

[Semaj]

ok 3 of our possibles are all on msteelers.

option 1: 2 cylons, 1 human.. msteelers is human
option 2: 1 cylon, 2 humans.. msteelers is other cylon


RMC ---------- msteelers
Qantaga ---------- msteelers
Lagom Lite ---------- msteelers
msteelers ---------- Lagom Lite

Hey humans... if your untrusted, you have a 2/3rds chance of guessing right today

Which path is best for us? Does airlocking msteelers give us the biggest amount of info, or would Quantaga or RMC give more?

[Unagi]

There's a RMC-msteelers-Grund connection?

Yeah.
And we've been speaking of it endlessly for a while now (I thought).

The idea was such: Grund was a wolf - he was gunning for RMC the entire game. Remus points out that Grund did this once with him, when they were both wolves - and Remus was set on testing RMC if Grund ever came back Cylon. Grund did, but Remus was killed before he could act on that wish to test RMC after a Cylon-Grund was detected.

Additionally, msteelers seemed to latch onto the whole "RMC is evil!!!" vibe with Grund, and when Grund died - msteelers didn't really seem at all interested in the fact that a wolf was gunning for his #1 target the whole game, and continued on with "RMC is evil!!!!".

[pr0ner]

OK, so pr0ner - it was a mistake. What do you read from that mistake?

Do you think he faked that, or do you think that shows us that RMC and Qantaga are not on a team?

We test msteelers - and he is Human:
{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / RMC}
{Lagom / RMC}
- - - we have our cylons

(I admit, that's on the death of Human msteelers, the belief that those two pairs are not in this game, and the belief that Semaj is human)


But, you would rather shot for:

We test RMC - and he is Cylon:
{Qantaga / RMC}
{msteelers / RMC}
{Lagom / RMC}
- - - we find his partner in here (with plenty of misses to do it)

We test RMC - and he is Human:
{Qantaga / Lagom}
{Qantaga / msteelers}
{msteelers / Lagom}
- - - we have these pairs to consider

I read it as a cylon being sloppy.

A) Why would he hold off on the kill? Trying to make himself look good? If msteelers was airlocked and appeared human, RMC could have cover.

B) Staying Q removed his vote? Uhhh.

I also wouldn't put it past cylons to be sniping at each other at this point in the game. Voting for each other, no. Sniping at each other, yes.

[Unagi]

Which path is best for us? Does airlocking msteelers give us the biggest amount of info, or would Quantaga or RMC give more?

You KEEP asking these questions. I've pointed out pretty clearly what tomorrow looks like after all of those options are taken. Do you read that stuff at all?


Question to YOU semaj:
Which do you feel gives you the most information - as you may be sitting at the end game with some hard choices.

[Grundbegriff]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but Chaos really should have shot Grund.

I agree!

[Unagi]

I read it as a cylon being sloppy.

A) Why would he hold off on the kill? Trying to make himself look good? If msteelers was airlocked and appeared human, RMC could have cover.

B) Staying Q removed his vote? Uhhh.

I also wouldn't put it past cylons to be sniping at each other at this point in the game. Voting for each other, no. Sniping at each other, yes.

Yes, but the point here being this.... RMC called Unagi -> "Q".

Do you take from that that RMC and Q are NOT Teammates?

I'll ask you this another way: If RMC and Q were teammates - do you think RMC would have posted that "Q removed his vote". ?

[Unagi]

Voting for each other, no. Sniping at each other, yes.

Oh, I certainly could see them voting for eachother right now.
(is that the sole reason you are saying Lagom isn't teamed with Qantaga?)

[Unagi]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but Chaos really should have shot Grund.

I agree!

HEY!

No edits!!!!

[Semaj]

I also wouldn't put it past cylons to be sniping at each other at this point in the game. Voting for each other, no. Sniping at each other, yes.

by that philosophy msteelers is human and we win.

problem is, if they think its the only way to seem good enough to possibly win, they have ot vote for each other at some point.

[RMC]

Another mistake from RMC?

RMC, if you're human, way to screw us over.

 RMC 
 

I messed up, sorry.

I am not on team Cylon.

If you lynch me, you will discover I am human. Please go after Msteelers if you lynch me today.

Thanks.

[pr0ner]

[Semaj]

Which path is best for us? Does airlocking msteelers give us the biggest amount of info, or would Quantaga or RMC give more?

You KEEP asking these questions. I've pointed out pretty clearly what tomorrow looks like after all of those options are taken. Do you read that stuff at all?


Question to YOU semaj:
Which do you feel gives you the most information - as you may be sitting at the end game with some hard choices.

it just dawned on me we are headed that way.

I am for getting someone today who gives the most info.. but as always I am torn on who gives us the most...
is it msteelers or someone other than msteelers (n this case I am more for Q than RMC)

I actually have been hopping the fence for the better part trying to decide who helps me the most ( i know I know)...

What do you think Of LL? (this is for my note taking... i know you are good, heh)

[pr0ner]

Another mistake from RMC?

RMC, if you're human, way to screw us over.

 RMC 
 

I messed up, sorry.

I am not on team Cylon.

If you lynch me, you will discover I am human. Please go after Msteelers if you lynch me today.

Thanks.

This "I'm innocent, vote for this guy!" BS without giving REASONS why to vote for the other guy is crap. It's been happening all game.