[WW] The Princess Bride - Game Over

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:15 am

El Guapo wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:Coop never struck me as evil, will have to take a closer look. RMC has been on my radar and Lassr, I'm still not convinced of.
I'm pretty much on the same page as you, I think. When I went through coop's posts during the yesterday game they read as pretty villager-y. That leads me to lean RMC, but that's mostly process of elimination which isn't entirely satisfactory.

I don't want to rule out LL, but the problem with thinking that LL is evil is that due to pr0ner's protection he could not have been converted after pronouncing Unagi-as-Humperdink. He could have been converted before, but this would mean concluding that Team Evil threw one of their own members overboard before the bumbling village had found even one evildoer. It's possible, but I'm skeptical.

One thing I'm curious about from experienced WWers: what exactly do you look for when looking through posts for evidence of Wolfitude? There's interactions with now known good and evil players, is I suppose the main thing. What else?

LL has the rep of being a sly player and he could have been a choice early on. We talk about his reveal, but he could have easily been a target well before that. I know he would have been an option for me if I was on the team evil. That being said I am not inclined to vote for the converted right now. So we have RMC, and coop. RMC has been more of a concern for me, but then there is coop. Damn I need to place vote soon, but not quite yet.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:46 am

I have debated on how much info I should post on my looking back at RMC and Coop simply because if you are sure I am evil then I'm not sure how you are going to treat my info. I would hate to give my best guess and then have you go the opposite direction and then be wrong and we lose.

I have poked Coop a few times in the game. Adding him to my evil list, called him Count. It never really phased him. I've looked back at past games and I cannot find where he has been evil.
If he is evil this game then he has handled himself well for a newbie. Could he be playing the role of the helpful evil guy? Maybe but as I said looking back I can't find any game where he was evil so I don't know how he would tend to play an evil role. I think that's what drew my attention to Coop; I often play the helpful evil.

Looking back at the last 2 games with RMC; My BSG game he was active and a citizen. He had far more posts than this game. The other game where he was very quiet was Star Wars and he was the rebel Lando. His I am not evil post, is similar to his I am not rebel posts. A lot of his posts in this game have been rules questions.

On the surface RMC looks more evil than Coop but what dwells underneath is the most important.

Some info for you to digest as I try to determine where I want to place my vote.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:59 am

FWIW Lassr I don't think you're evil. Though I can't rule it out, of course.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:28 pm

El Guapo wrote:FWIW Lassr I don't think you're evil. Though I can't rule it out, of course.

well, you probably just doomed yourself tonight if we make it to another day.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:00 pm

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:24 pm

Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:FWIW Lassr I don't think you're evil. Though I can't rule it out, of course.
well, you probably just doomed yourself tonight if we make it to another day.

I only regret that I have but one life to give for my village.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:33 am

I'm leaning coop right now, but will resist my vote for just a few longer.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:12 am

Mr Bubbles wrote:I'm leaning coop right now, but will resist my vote for just a few longer.

Don't resist much longer. We have 12 hours to come to a lynch and we need most everyone to agree. Obviously I like my vote where it is, but I have knowledge you don't have (hint: I know my role). That makes all the difference. If we could get people on Lassr I'd go for that as well, but it would be better to get the original evil.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:39 am

RMC

Stab in the dark

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:10 am

Mr Bubbles wrote: RMC

Stab in the dark

Why RMC? I thought you were leaning Coop.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:18 am

As for myself on Coop / RMC, I could go either way. Reading posts last night I'm leaning coop at the moment because while both RMC and Coop have provided analysis, RMC has more substantive moments that seem good guy (conflicts with Unagi / stessier, the Westley / Buttercup point), and his analysis tended to point towards bad guys more than Coop's did (in fact I'm not even sure Coop has really implicated any bad guys up to this point). Also generally coop's analysis tends to read more as general "here's how people have voted, how about that?" whereas RMC"s analysis (at least in the first few game days) tended to be more probing towards who is actually evil.

That could all be staged, of course. But then, that could be said about just about any posts or anything at all in the game, pretty much.

Also wonder whether it's possible that both could be evil; they're both framing it as a binary choice, for which the idea could be whichever survives then says "good job! We nailed the count, now let's try to find the convert from the remaining" (who would all be good). Idle thought in any event.

I guess I should put a vote in since the deadline is today.

coopasonic

I could absolutely be swayed on this, so if anyone has any arguments on this, let's hear 'em.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:37 am

El Guapo wrote:Also wonder whether it's possible that both could be evil; they're both framing it as a binary choice, for which the idea could be whichever survives then says "good job! We nailed the count, now let's try to find the convert from the remaining" (who would all be good). Idle thought in any event.

I'm not sure if this weakens or stengthens how I look to the rest of the village, but it really does appear to be a binary choice between myself and RMC as to who could be the count, everyone else is "proven" except Lassr who is highly unlikely to be original evil. It's not a binary choice on who to vote for though. Lassr is still out there as a possible convert as is Lagom, though the odds seem much longer on that. I've proposed lynching Lassr first if people are more comfortable with that as he is the most likely convert at this point.

Either way it seems the village is going to have to choose between RMC and I eventually. It's almost certain one of us is the count. Why put it off?

Facts, deduction and inference are what I am good with. Facts are something this game has been short on and that has seriously messed with my game. I've done what I could with what we've been provided, but that really hasn't added up to much. The other thing I do is try to motivate people to act, make sure we get to a lynch and base my votes on other people's ability to read between the lines, because I don't do a good job of it myself.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:58 am

coopasonic wrote:I've proposed lynching Lassr first if people are more comfortable with that as he is the most likely convert at this point.

.

to me that just doesn't make any sense. What if there is not a conversion? It is a big "what if" but it is possible. It is 50/50 between you and RMC. Hell we might not go wrong either direction if one is a conversion.

I propose picking 1 between 2 players and you propose picking 1 between 3 and possible 4 if you still want to consider that Lagom could be converted.

What I can't tell is if that is desperation of a villager trying to prevent the village from losing or evil trying to survive.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:07 pm

Lassr wrote:to me that just doesn't make any sense. What if there is not a conversion? It is a big "what if" but it is possible. It is 50/50 between you and RMC. Hell we might not go wrong either direction if one is a conversion.

I've spelled this out already. If there is not a conversion then we can afford the miss. If there is and it's not you, we lose and blame Lagom.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:37 pm

coopasonic wrote:
Lassr wrote:to me that just doesn't make any sense. What if there is not a conversion? It is a big "what if" but it is possible. It is 50/50 between you and RMC. Hell we might not go wrong either direction if one is a conversion.
I've spelled this out already. If there is not a conversion then we can afford the miss. If there is and it's not you, we lose and blame Lagom.

and if there is a conversion and you get me voted off, guess what, we lose today.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:06 pm

Yeah, I just said that.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:11 pm

coopasonic wrote:Yeah, I just said that.

yes you did.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:21 pm

coop is at n-2. If I change my vote to coop (putting him at n-1) and Lassr is evil and coop is not, the village will lose.

I'm leaning coop, and will likely move my vote there soon. Anything more you'd like to say, coop? That would change my mind? Why is RMC evil?

withdraw Lassr

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:31 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:Anything more you'd like to say, coop? That would change my mind? Why is RMC evil?

withdraw Lassr

I've said all that I can. RMC is evil because I am not.

17. Lagom Lite - Booer
6. Mr Bubbles - Buttercup
14. El Guapo - Westley

The Count has to be in here:
3. Lassr
10. coopasonic
20. RMC

We agree it's extremely unlikely Lassr was evil at the start. I am good. That leaves RMC.

RMC has not left any smoking gun that I can point out and I'm not going to try to manufacture one.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:33 pm

Voting:

3. Lassr ----------------> coopasonic
6. Mr Bubbles --------> RMC
10. coopasonic -------> RMC
14. El Guapo ----------> coopasonic
17. Lagom Lite -------> coopasonic, Lassr
20. RMC ----------------> coopasonic

coopasonic (2): RMC, Lassr, Lagom, El Guapo
RMC (2): coopasonic, Mr Bubbles
Lassr (0): Lagom

*Please let me know if I've missed anything.

Players remaining: 6
Majority is 4

Deadline is Wednesday, September 21 at 9:00 pm EST.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:02 pm

coop

Not buying it.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:38 pm

coopasonic is n-1

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:10 pm

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:15 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote: RMC

Stab in the dark
Why RMC? I thought you were leaning Coop.

Going back on to post both have made, it seemed to me that RMC's comments raised more of a question than Coop. So he's got my vote. It also seems to me that the bad guys are going to play hard and try to make a strong case against a good guy, so I'm going against the grain on a hunch.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:27 pm

coopasonic

did we loose nao? All the people checking in with popcorn makes me think this was the last move.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:30 pm

Voting:

3. Lassr ----------------> coopasonic, coopasonic
6. Mr Bubbles --------> RMC
10. coopasonic -------> RMC
14. El Guapo ----------> coopasonic
17. Lagom Lite -------> coopasonic, Lassr, coopasonic
20. RMC ----------------> coopasonic

coopasonic (4): RMC, Lassr, Lagom, El Guapo, Lassr, Lagom
RMC (2): coopasonic, Mr Bubbles
Lassr (0): Lagom

*Please let me know if I've missed anything.

Players remaining: 6
Majority is 4

Voting is closed.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:32 pm

Qantaga wrote: Voting is closed.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:34 pm

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:35 pm

Good luck.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:38 pm

coopasonic wrote:Good luck.

so the day will continue?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:39 pm

Lassr wrote:
coopasonic wrote:Good luck.
so the day will continue?

game...not day.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:39 pm

I'm having reese's pieces instead of popcorn.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:52 pm

I'm hoping that Qantaga will at least get in a game over or not game over post soon.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:56 pm

yep, I got to go to a family dinner in an hour. Hopefully he'll post before then!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:58 pm

Though I guess just "game over" or "not game over" probably wouldn't be sufficiently dramatic. Ah well.

He'll probably wait for two weeks to screw with us.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:02 pm

El Guapo wrote:Though I guess just "game over" or "not game over" probably wouldn't be sufficiently dramatic. Ah well.

He'll probably wait for two weeks to screw with us.

Well I'm hoping it's a nice game over write since it is taking so long. And Coops "Good Luck" makes me think he's messing with us or he knows the game will continue. SO I feel better about the vote.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:14 pm

Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Though I guess just "game over" or "not game over" probably wouldn't be sufficiently dramatic. Ah well.

He'll probably wait for two weeks to screw with us.
Well I'm hoping it's a nice game over write since it is taking so long. And Coops "Good Luck" makes me think he's messing with us or he knows the game will continue. SO I feel better about the vote.

I am also hoping that it is game over, then no convert. I am really convinced that the count was coop. Being the only two that didn't claim a role, it just makes sense, since I know I am just a villager.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:23 pm

It had been a long day. Nerves were frayed for the majority of the day. Most of the remaining survivors seemed uncertain and apprehensive.

The sun dipped lower and lower, as it gained momentum toward the distant horizon.

You knew something had to break before night asserted its control over the fading day.

You had some ideas, but no real conviction on the source of the Evil that had been stalking you so relentlessly over the past week.

Finally, you make your way to the village square. Following in your wake, are all of your fellows. Everyone looks around.

After a few long moments of silence, someone produces a whistle. You look at them curiously, wondering what this could mean.

They blow a ululating trill on the whistle. For a moment, nothing happens. Then, you hear a sound coming from the direction of the woods and, to your horror, see:

You've heard of these abominations. This is called a ROUS, a rodent of unusual size. The one you see now certainly lives up to its name.

While you are still gathering your wits after seeing such a terrifying creature, three others blow their own whistles (where in the world did they get them?)

Three more ROUSs appear.

Suddenly, all four whistle-bearers point at coopasonic and the monsters leap. You avert you gaze from their savagery.

coopasonic is dead.

You finally turn back to see that coopasonic is gone and the rodents are licking their muzzles as they retreat back into the woods.

You start to turn around to head back to your cottage when you realize that you still have some unfinished business to attend to, when a sobering thought strikes you. How are you going to find coopasonic's runes when he now rests in the belly of four beasts?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:27 pm

oh come on!

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:30 pm

You are almost distraught. You sit down on the edge of the fountain and wonder what you should do next.

You put your head in your hands to let your mind and body rest for a few precious moments.

When you look up again, you feel slightly refreshed and rise to head home. As you do, a glitter catches your eye. It came from the corner of a bush. You walk over and look closer. It is a ring, still on the finger of a severed hand.

You don't want to touch it, so you kneel down and stare. Almost as if it has been waiting for you, the smudge begins to form. It is followed by one cloudly rune, then another. You can barely catch your breath but, as the third rune forms and the first two start coming into focus, your hopes suddently soar. You wait to be certain, but soon it is evident that this rune is the newer one and not the one that fills you with despair.

The word is Evil.