WW Viking Ship - GAME OVER - English Victory

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:04 am

Lagom Lite wrote:I don't think Remus West is a baddie. If he is, he's being clever as his posts have helped the village throughout.

That possibility shouldn't be discounted. Remus is wily.

purge · Post by **purge** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:19 am

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:43 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:I'm evil in this game, too, amazingly.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:23 pm

CHHRRROOOOMMMMMMMEEEEEE!!!!!

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:53 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:I'm evil in this game, too, amazingly.

My take on what Grund wrote as well.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:53 pm

RMC wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:I'm evil in this game, too, amazingly.
My take on what Grund wrote as well.

purge · Post by **purge** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:49 am

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:52 pm

I'm sorry for vanishing for the past few days. Thanksgiving week travel turned longer than expected.

Arcanis wrote:I'm the seer. I was hoping we caught a Brit with the shot so I wouldn't have to reveal yet. I have been trying to keep myself high enough on the suspicions list that the English figured they could leave me alone so I would last long enough to get some information. My night 1 scan was Lagom, thanks to his signature I wanted to know if that opportunistic monster was on my side or not, and he is. He is a plain old Viking. Obviously I have no night 2 scan. My scan is also the reason I didn't vote for LL despite his pushing for me to be lynched since the crack of dawn on day 1.

With LL, myself, and RMC removed from the pool it gives us a slightly better chance of not losing today. We should have a good chance at hitting one of them and I really hope the protector is one of the other 2 left since if he isn't I won't have a scan for the morning, assuming we guess right.

We have caught a break.

With the game on the line, we now have one known bad guy.

Arcanis is lying. He may think he is some sort of seer, but I am the Shaman.

The interesting part about this is that he has cleared Lagom. Is he doing that to "clear" a fellow bad guy to remove two bad guys from the lynch pool today, knowing they only need one erroneous vote to win the game with a wolfpile? But, that is a question for tomorrow, as we now have a known (only with certainty by me) English.

My first night, I scanned RMC. I actually thought the English would use their EMP on the first night, so I picked someone unlikely to be killed on the first night. I found, of course, that he was the Weaponsmith. I was surprised that the scan wasn't blocked and frustrated that I had chosen to scan someone with a self-provabale role. My second scan was EMPed. When the necessity of the shot was reached earlier, I almost came out and named RMC pre-emptively, but I realized:

A. RMC was not looking my way for a shot and, since I could only name him, it wasn't helping him limit the pool of shot candidates.
B. The English Priest could have the same information on RMC that I had, so it would not have been proof of my Shamanhood.
C. I was hoping to stay hidden to get another scan if we nab an English today, since RMC was going to prove himself anyway and I had no further information.

Hopefully, our protector is still alive and can protect me tonight to get one more scan in.

But the matter of first importance is that we get to extend the game by lynching Arcanis.

Arcanis

I know you will all have to choose who to believe, but the great news for us true Vikings is that now the choice is between Arcanis and I, and not a hunt for 4 among 8.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:57 pm

Arcanis xor Qantaga
Qantaga xor Arcanis

Who would step forward first?
Who didn't have to?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:01 pm

Qantaga wrote:The interesting part about this is that he has cleared Lagom. Is he doing that to "clear" a fellow bad guy to remove two bad guys from the lynch pool today, knowing they only need one erroneous vote to win the game with a wolfpile? But, that is a question for tomorrow, as we now have a known (only with certainty by me) English.

My first night, I scanned RMC. I actually thought the English would use their EMP on the first night, so I picked someone unlikely to be killed on the first night. I found, of course, that he was the Weaponsmith.

How conveeeeeeenient.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:05 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:How conveeeeeeenient.

Perhaps. None the less, it is true.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:18 pm

Qantaga wrote:I actually thought the English would use their EMP on the first night, so I picked someone unlikely to be killed on the first night. I found, of course, that he was the Weaponsmith. I was surprised that the scan wasn't blocked

Why did you think the EMP would be used right off the bat rather than at some opportune moment midway?

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:20 pm

Arcanis wrote:My night 1 scan was Lagom, thanks to his signature I wanted to know if that opportunistic monster was on my side or not, and he is. He is a plain old Viking.

Why would you choose Lagom? "Opportunistic" isn't a sufficient explanation; that describes everyone here.

My scan is also the reason I didn't vote for LL despite his pushing for me to be lynched since the crack of dawn on day 1.

Interesting.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:27 pm

Qantaga wrote:Suspicious behavior:
...
I'm not yet sure how to read the set of ezmating theohall, seemingly engaged RMC, talkative Norwegian tru1cy, and quieter-than-expected coopasonic.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:32 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Qantaga wrote:I actually thought the English would use their EMP on the first night, so I picked someone unlikely to be killed on the first night. I found, of course, that he was the Weaponsmith. I was surprised that the scan wasn't blocked
Why did you think the EMP would be used right off the bat rather than at some opportune moment midway?

Because it was used on the first night in Bond II, the only other game I remember having an EMP.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:59 pm

The vote history from the first day. Known Vikings are shown in bold blue. Superseded votes are shown under erasure.

Lagom Lite acc Arcanis(1)
Remus West acc Arcanis(2)
tru1cy acc Remus West(1)
coopasonic acc tru1cy(1)
purge acc tru1cy(2)
Arcanis acc tru1cy(3)
tru1cy wd Remus West(0)
purge wd tru1cy(2)
tru1cy acc Arcanis(3)
Scoop20906 acc RMC(1)
Arcanis wd tru1cy(1)
RMC acc Scoop20906(1)
Grundbegriff acc theohall(1)
theohall acc Chaosraven(1)
Qantaga acc purge(1)
Chaosraven acc theohall(2)
tru1cy wd Arcanis(2)
tru1cy acc Grundbegriff(1)
coopasonic wd tru1cy(0)
coopasonic acc Arcanis(3)
Grundbegriff wd theohall(1)
Grundbegriff acc Arcanis(4)
Lagom Lite wd Arcanis(3)
Lagom Lite acc Grundbegriff(2)
purge acc Grundbegriff(3)
theohall wd Chaosraven(0)
theohall acc Grundbegriff(4)
Arcanis acc Grundbegriff(5)
Lagom Lite wd Grundbegriff(4)
Remus West wd Arcanis(2)
Remus West acc Lagom Lite(1)
Grundbegriff wd Arcanis(1)
RMC wd Scoop20906(0)
Arcanis wd Grundbegriff(3)
purge wd Grundbegriff(2)
theohall wd Grundbegriff(1)
theohall acc Chaosraven(1)
Lagom Lite acc Arcanis(2)
Qantaga wd purge(0)
Grundbegriff acc Scoop20906(1)
Arcanis acc Scoop20906(2)
purge acc Scoop20906(3)
Qantaga acc theohall(2)
Arcanis wd Scoop20906(2)
Arcanis acc tru1cy(1)
theohall wd Chaosraven(0)
theohall acc Scoop20906(3)
purge wd Scoop20906(2)
purge acc theohall(3)
RMC acc theohall(4)
purge wd theohall(3)
Scoop20906 wd RMC(0)
Scoop20906 acc theohall(4)
Lagom Lite wd Arcanis(1)
Lagom Lite acc theohall(5)
purge acc Scoop20906(3)
coopasonic wd Arcanis(0)
coopasonic acc theohall(6)
purge wd Scoop20906(2)
purge acc coopasonic(1)
theohall wd Scoop20906(1)
theohall acc coopasonic(2)
Lagom Lite wd theohall(5)
Lagom Lite acc Scoop20906(2)
Scoop20906 wd theohall(4)
Scoop20906 acc Grundbegriff(2)
coopasonic wd theohall(3)
coopasonic acc Scoop20906(3)
Qantaga wd theohall(2)
Qantaga acc Scoop20906(4)
Arcanis wd tru1cy(0)
Arcanis acc Scoop20906(5)
RMC wd theohall(1)
RMC acc Scoop20906(6)
Grundbegriff wd Scoop20906(5)
Grundbegriff acc Scoop20906(6)
Remus West acc Scoop20906(7), killing him
purge wd coopasonic(1)
purge acc Scoop20906(8)

Grundbegriff wrote:
Qantaga wrote:Suspicious behavior:
...
I'm not yet sure how to read the set of ezmating theohall, seemingly engaged RMC, talkative Norwegian tru1cy, and quieter-than-expected coopasonic.

If you scanned RMC on the first night, why would you breadcrumb him as "unsure" rather than hint at his goodness?

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:14 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:If you scanned RMC on the first night, why would you breadcrumb him as "unsure" rather than hint at his goodness?

Because I knew RMC was in no danger of a lynch, since he had the ability to prove himself, if necessary.

The English already knew he was good, so why would I want to put him further into a "good" perception, thus making him a more likely candidate for a night kill?

If anything, I should have listed him as a possible evil to take him further away from night kill consideration. However, knowing that RMC had a bullet, I didn't want to list him as evil and risk setting off his "triggercut" vibes (as RMC has demonstrated occassionally in the past) and move me among his shot targets.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:18 pm

At least you're answering my questions. Arcanis is probably lying somewhere near a turkey carcass in a cranberry-induced stupor.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:30 pm

I'm still on vacation so I'll need to read this again when I get back. Arcanis' claim may excuse his initial reaction to being poked. However, the fact that he claimed Seer is a mark against him in my mind. I don't have much on Q's claim yet and am not going to spend time on it until tomorrow night at the earliest.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:13 pm

If Qantaga is English, he is most definitely the zerker.

9 players, 4 evil.

Supposing we lynch Zerk-taga:
He explodes
Arcanis dies
Night kill
= 6 players, 3 evil. Baddies win.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:16 pm

Or maybe it's all a double-bluff. But no, Occam's razor. It's a ruse to get someone to vote for him so the rest can dogpile.

DO NOT VOTE FOR QANTAGA! NOT EVEN IF YOU THINK HE IS EVIL!!!

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:16 pm

We may be hosed.

If Arcanis is claiming seer, he's probably the Fighter (Berserker).

We are currently 5g/4e. If we lynch Arcanis, we're 5g/3e. If he goes Berserk, it's 4g/3e (since the EMP blocked any protection, I guess that would carry over into the day). Night kill gives 3g/3e... game over! Our only hope would be a successful protection tonight.

Since there hasn't been a wolf pile yet on Arcanis, maybe he's not the Berserker... or maybe the English are still feasting during the holidays.

I'm still inclined to lynch the known (to me) evil Arcanis, but with the chance he's a spoofing Fighter, I suppose it's worth talking over before any votes are cast.

Withdraw Arcanis

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:17 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:At least you're answering my questions. Arcanis is probably lying somewhere near a turkey carcass in a cranberry-induced stupor.

Essentially yes.

You had a question directed at me? I scanned the new posts and didn't catch it if so.

Qan conveniently scanning someone whom we all know the role of is interesting. I have laid out what I know and it is up to the group to decide which one of us is lying, as testing me by lynching Lagom is defeat. So pick one of us and run them through.

Qantaga

You are over due for your tea time.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:17 pm

remove Qan

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:18 pm

If my hypothesis is right, this also means that Grundbegriff is English. This is beyond any doubt. The plan is clearly conconcted by him - he would have seen this.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:19 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:Supposing we lynch Zerk-taga.

At least I know now that Lagom is English, too.

He immediately jumped to Zerk-taga and dismissed Zerk-canis. A Viking would be much more open-minded.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:19 pm

Qantaga wrote:If Arcanis is claiming seer, he's probably the Fighter (Berserker).

That is not at all as likely, since Arcanis was on the chopping block. He could have been any English, trying to out the real Seer (you, unless it's the other way around).

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:20 pm

Qantaga wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:Supposing we lynch Zerk-taga.

At least I know now that Lagom is English, too.

He immediately jumped to Zerk-taga and dismissed Zerk-canis. A Viking would be much more open-minded.

And now sulking that I caught his little scheme.

People, we need to kill this guy last. Today, we lynch Grundbegriff.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:21 pm

Qantaga wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:Supposing we lynch Zerk-taga.

At least I know now that Lagom is English, too.

He immediately jumped to Zerk-taga and dismissed Zerk-canis. A Viking would be much more open-minded.

We are certainly on opposite camps, you and I.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:21 pm

Good point Lagom. That whole conversation occurred while I was typing my response. I hadn't considered the implications of hitting the zerker first. It also makes perfect sense for the English to present their zerker as a target.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:25 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:We are certainly on opposite camps, you and I.

Something only an English could possibly know.

If you are a Viking, I'm quite curious how you can dismiss me as the Shaman (especially since it is the truth). What certainty could you possibly have between Arcanis and I? Only an Englishman could be certain.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:26 pm

Arcanis wrote:Good point Lagom. That whole conversation occurred while I was typing my response. I hadn't considered the implications of hitting the zerker first. It also makes perfect sense for the English to present their zerker as a target.

You named me as Unpowered, which is true. This is why I believe you - it's not unlikely that I could have been the Protector (or Seer). Of course, Qantaga and the rest will make the argument that you and I are English.

Lagom Lite · Post by **Lagom Lite** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:27 pm

Qantaga wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:We are certainly on opposite camps, you and I.

Something only an English could possibly know.

If you are a Viking, I'm quite curious how you can dismiss me as the Shaman (especially since it is the truth). What certainty could you possibly have between Arcanis and I? Only an Englishman could be certain.

Deduction. I'm dismissing the highly unlikely in favor of that which seems likely.

Don't worry - you won't die yet. Not for a while.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:30 pm

Lagom Lite wrote:You named me as Unpowered, which is true. This is why I believe you - it's not unlikely that I could have been the Protector (or Seer). Of course, Qantaga and the rest will make the argument that you and I are English.

Lagom, you do realize that Arcanis could just as easily know about you if he is the Priest (or from being informed by the Priest in the evil forum)? The Priest could have scanned you on the first night and known that you are unpowered English, if that is who you really are.

His claiming that you are unpowered is not proof of his Shaman-hood.

I think you (Lagom) are English, because you are so certain of who is seer and who is not, when an Englishman could not possibly know for sure.

Qantaga · Post by **Qantaga** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:38 pm

Qantaga wrote:
Lagom Lite wrote:You named me as Unpowered, which is true. This is why I believe you - it's not unlikely that I could have been the Protector (or Seer). Of course, Qantaga and the rest will make the argument that you and I are English.

Lagom, you do realize that Arcanis could just as easily know about you if he is the Priest (or from being informed by the Priest in the evil forum)? The Priest could have scanned you on the first night and known that you are unpowered English, if that is who you really are.

His claiming that you are unpowered is not proof of his Shaman-hood.

I think you (Lagom) are English, because you are so certain of who is seer and who is not, when only an Englishman could possibly know for sure.

I'm not going to edit my previous post, but I neglected the word "only" in a phrase that was supposed to read "only an Englishman," not "an Englishman."

The context still applies.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:53 pm

Arcanis wrote:You had a question directed at me? I scanned the new posts and didn't catch it if so.

Right here.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:00 pm

Vik-Arcanis & E-Qantaga & Vik-Lagom (A scanned Lagom)
Vik-Arcanis & E-Qantaga & E-Lagom (impossible)
E-Arcanis & Vik-Qantaga & Vik-Lagom (A scanned Lagom?)
E-Arcanis & Vik-Qantaga & E-Lagom (A colluding with Lagom?)

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:08 pm

Good grief. We are so hosed.

Arcanis · Post by **Arcanis** » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:25 am

To answer the question you had Grund, is I knew the quote was from one of these games and that LL is an exceptional player. I just pulled that part of the quote to make my point is all. I know given half a chance any of the players would be opportunistic monsters.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:39 am

Arcanis' claim seems to make more sense, as it was put forward stating it removes 2 players from the 50% 4 evil among 8, turning it into 4 evil among 6. Qantaga's return play puts us *back* at 50% among two groups, him vs Arcanis, and the second group with 3 evil of 6 players, negating the 'clean scan' of Lagom Lite.