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by **Lassr** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:09 pm

Remus West wrote:I hope the other GS agents won't mind but I hired some hookers in hopes of enticing our missing brethren to attend our meetings.

dammit, why haven't we hired hookers?!
us nerds racking our brains over a solution while the other team is having all the fun...

by **stessier** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:10 pm

Qantaga wrote:While it is true that I am a (virtually) proven pure agent, you may be incorrectly assessing my role in the overall GS hierarchy.

Great Googly Moogly man. If logic leads you to believe you are still only "virtually" proven pure agent, you have no chance at solving this puzzle at all. :lol:

To be the other Mole, the one clue that you gave up in interrogation would have had to be made up (since Unagi is KIM and his true clue matched yours). You were the first one interrogated, so it would have had to be made up blind and just so happened to match a real clue...of another KIM agent. Even off shore bookies won't take action on that bet. :lol:

by **stessier** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:12 pm

Lassr wrote:
Remus West wrote:I hope the other GS agents won't mind but I hired some hookers in hopes of enticing our missing brethren to attend our meetings.

dammit, why haven't we hired hookers?!
us nerds racking our brains over a solution while the other team is having all the fun...

Dude, we are Engineers and Analysts. Of course GS is going to have hookers and blow.

by **Qantaga** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:19 pm

stessier wrote:
Qantaga wrote:While it is true that I am a (virtually) proven pure agent, you may be incorrectly assessing my role in the overall GS hierarchy.

Great Googly Moogly man. If logic leads you to believe you are still only "virtually" proven pure agent, you have no chance at solving this puzzle at all.

To be the other Mole, the one clue that you gave up in interrogation would have had to be made up (since Unagi is KIM and his true clue matched yours). You were the first one interrogated, so it would have had to be made up blind and just so happened to match a real clue...of another KIM agent. Even off shore bookies won't take action on that bet.

Definition of VIRTUALLY
1: almost entirely
2: for all practical purposes

You yourself describe a possible, although highly unlikely, scenario in which I could be the mole. Therefore, I am virtually, but not definitively, proven a pure agent.

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:27 pm

Let's assume that Blusterberg is sick and tired of directing the day's interrogation against their own side.

If that's a cold truth, we need to pick from
Remus West
El Guapo
Scoop

Qantaga isn't the mole, and the mole isn't interested in helping KIM or BB get Qantaga's second clue.

I assume this means my partner already has that clue.
I assume Blusterberg is now resolved to scanning out that 2nd clue from Qantaga.

For some reason, GS (via El Guapo) has made it clear that they don't feel like testing Chaosraven as the mole.

(my assumption is they feel CR is the Handler, or the Handler has remarked that he already has CR's clues otherwise... let's not forget they had a Handler change, right? ...perhaps CR was the Handler?) Who knows...

We all know one fact from Remus, I'd like to get the second one without wasting a bunch of scans on him.

by **Remus West** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:27 pm

Qantaga clearly is getting none of the blow nor hookers. He is too uptight even for them. Nor blow from hookers. Virtually. Sheesh. :lol:

by **Remus West** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:29 pm

Unagi wrote:We all know one fact from Remus, I'd like to get the second one without wasting a bunch of scans on him.

I'd tell you what it is but I don't like the way you people ask. It tickles.

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:31 pm

I was tickled pink, if you will recall.

by **Newcastle** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:32 pm

interrogate Remus

lets see if this gets the mole a moving

by **Newcastle** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:32 pm

Unagi wrote:I was tickled pink, if you will recall.

no you tickled poof

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:35 pm

The Poof was Pink

Unagi wrote:With a flick of the wrist, Unagi casts some sort of dust into the fireplace. Half the room fills with fragrant, pinkish smoke.

When it clears, he's gone.

I still re-live it.

by **Lassr** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:45 pm

Remus

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:07 pm

I wonder how differently this game may have played out if 5 were considered a majority.

by **bb2112** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:18 pm

Fine, if Q is off the table, then I guess we can stall at 5 with...

interrogate Remus

by **El Guapo** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:21 pm

Unagi wrote:I wonder how differently this game may have played out if 5 were considered a majority.

I'm not sure that would work all that well, especially at the beginning. Since each non-KIM team would have a majority by themselves, you'd have a scramble to get votes in first, pretty much immediately after Grund posted the night results. As a result you'd probably wind up with essentially no daytime discussion.

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:23 pm

Still need Stessier to get it up to 5.

by **stessier** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:31 pm

I still think we should get El Guapo's clue. If El G isn't the Mole, his clue is inherently better to get during the Day than Remus', who might be the Mole and therefore could fake the clue and waste our Day interrogation. Plus, Unagi wants Remus' clue and I really don't want to help him if we don't have to.

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:34 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Unagi wrote:I wonder how differently this game may have played out if 5 were considered a majority.

I'm not sure that would work all that well, especially at the beginning. Since each non-KIM team would have a majority by themselves, you'd have a scramble to get votes in first, pretty much immediately after Grund posted the night results. As a result you'd probably wind up with essentially no daytime discussion.

Right, sure, yeah.... But it's not like the game started with the teams knowing who their members were. (at least ours certainly didn't)

by **stessier** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:35 pm

Unagi wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Unagi wrote:I wonder how differently this game may have played out if 5 were considered a majority.

I'm not sure that would work all that well, especially at the beginning. Since each non-KIM team would have a majority by themselves, you'd have a scramble to get votes in first, pretty much immediately after Grund posted the night results. As a result you'd probably wind up with essentially no daytime discussion.

Right, sure, yeah.... But it's not like the game started with the teams knowing who their members were. (at least ours certainly didn't)

No way theirs did either or they wouldn't have made up 50% of the interrogations.

by **bb2112** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:37 pm

BAh, just vote Remus up to 5. If El G is the mole then he can jump on and leave the forum tonight. Unagi is obviously calling for his partner. If Remus is the mole, then after we sit around staring at the wall awhile with Remus at 5, then we can make a run for El G tomorrow before the deadline. Then Remus can jump on and leave before the night.

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:40 pm

stessier wrote:I still think we should get El Guapo's clue. If El G isn't the Mole, his clue is inherently better to get during the Day than Remus', who might be the Mole and therefore could fake the clue and waste our Day interrogation. Plus, Unagi wants Remus' clue and I really don't want to help him if we don't have to.

Whoa.
Rollercoaster Of Love. Does that mean Newcastle no longer wants KIM to help?
Should I just go back to a bb2112 vote??
Dude.

To be honest stessier, (and, no I don't for a second expect you to believe me) but I could gain from all our options.
I pick Remus because we have him half interrogated, and scans can be wasted on him.
Your handler wants this scan too.

by **Remus West** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:43 pm

bb2112 wrote:BAh, just vote Remus up to 5. If El G is the mole then he can jump on and leave the forum tonight. Unagi is obviously calling for his partner. If Remus is the mole, then after we sit around staring at the wall awhile with Remus at 5, then we can make a run for El G tomorrow before the deadline. Then Remus can jump on and leave before the night.

What if Scoop is the Mole and has scanned both of us enough to get our Clues? What incentive does he have to openly jump ship by voting? Makes more sense for the Mole to stay under cover right now so that we have to guess if he is gone or not tommorrow.

by **Newcastle** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:47 pm

Unagi wrote:
stessier wrote:I still think we should get El Guapo's clue. If El G isn't the Mole, his clue is inherently better to get during the Day than Remus', who might be the Mole and therefore could fake the clue and waste our Day interrogation. Plus, Unagi wants Remus' clue and I really don't want to help him if we don't have to.

Whoa.
Rollercoaster Of Love. Does that mean Newcastle no longer wants KIM to help?
Should I just go back to a bb2112 vote??
Dude.

To be honest stessier, (and, no I don't for a second expect you to believe me) but I could gain from all our options.
I pick Remus because we have him half interrogated, and scans can be wasted on him.
Your handler wants this scan too.

/sings-screeches
thhhhhheee rollleeeeerrrr (*gets real high, high ear breaking note*) coooooasssstterrrrr (*drops voice to a low bass ) ooofff love

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:49 pm

We could torture. If you really actually think Remus is the type to lie.

Just throwing that out there.

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:52 pm

Remus West wrote:
bb2112 wrote:BAh, just vote Remus up to 5. If El G is the mole then he can jump on and leave the forum tonight. Unagi is obviously calling for his partner. If Remus is the mole, then after we sit around staring at the wall awhile with Remus at 5, then we can make a run for El G tomorrow before the deadline. Then Remus can jump on and leave before the night.

What if Scoop is the Mole and has scanned both of us enough to get our Clues? What incentive does he have to openly jump ship by voting? Makes more sense for the Mole to stay under cover right now so that we have to guess if he is gone or not tommorrow.

So, just to push that to the obvious conclusion: BB is going to have to randomly vote for one of their own (also not the mole) team, just so the GS handler can get his scan tonight??

by **stessier** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:56 pm

Remus

Stupid pulling rank overseer bossy good for nothing paper pusher

by **stessier** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:57 pm

Unagi wrote:We could torture. If you really actually think Remus is the type to lie.

Just throwing that out there.

Just trying to be helpful, right? :lol:

by **Newcastle** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:57 pm

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:
bb2112 wrote:BAh, just vote Remus up to 5. If El G is the mole then he can jump on and leave the forum tonight. Unagi is obviously calling for his partner. If Remus is the mole, then after we sit around staring at the wall awhile with Remus at 5, then we can make a run for El G tomorrow before the deadline. Then Remus can jump on and leave before the night.

What if Scoop is the Mole and has scanned both of us enough to get our Clues? What incentive does he have to openly jump ship by voting? Makes more sense for the Mole to stay under cover right now so that we have to guess if he is gone or not tommorrow.

So, just to push that to the obvious conclusion: BB is going to have to randomly vote for one of their own (also not the mole) team, just so the GS handler can get his scan tonight??

i can pretty much guarantee that we wont be voting for one of our own members. Its gone 4 days in a row that one of our guys has been voted for....we much rather push it into a deadlock and risk losing our scan than giving you one of ours today. In fact i'm prett sure we want 2 days in a row votes going our way. We want today the vote going our way.

by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:25 pm

Aggregate vote history:
Newcastle to interrogate Remus West(1)
Unagi to interrogate bb2112(1)
Unagi wd bb2112(0)
Unagi to interrogate Qantaga(1)
bb2112 to interrogate Qantaga(2)
Lassr to interrogate Qantaga(3)
Newcastle wd Remus West(0)
Newcastle to interrogate Qantaga(4)
stessier to interrogate Qantaga(5)
Unagi wd Qantaga(4)
Unagi to interrogate Remus West(1)
Newcastle wd Qantaga(3)
Newcastle to interrogate Remus West(2)
Lassr wd Qantaga(2)
Lassr to interrogate Remus West(3)
bb2112 wd Qantaga(1)
bb2112 to interrogate Remus West(4)
stessier wd Qantaga(0)
stessier to interrogate Remus West(5)

Individual vote history:
Newcastle : interrogate Remus West, Qantaga, Remus West
Unagi : interrogate bb2112, Qantaga, Remus West
bb2112 : interrogate Qantaga, Remus West
Lassr : interrogate Qantaga, Remus West
stessier : interrogate Qantaga, Remus West

Currently Targeted:
Remus West(5): Unagi, Newcastle, Lassr, bb2112, stessier

Majority: 6/10
No vote registered: Chaosraven, El Guapo, Qantaga, Remus West, Scoop20906

Handlers: Will you submit a Solution?
Everyone: Whom will you interrogate?
Deadline: 9PM EST, Wednesday, 01 February 2012.[/b]

by **bb2112** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:48 pm

Remus West wrote:
bb2112 wrote:BAh, just vote Remus up to 5. If El G is the mole then he can jump on and leave the forum tonight. Unagi is obviously calling for his partner. If Remus is the mole, then after we sit around staring at the wall awhile with Remus at 5, then we can make a run for El G tomorrow before the deadline. Then Remus can jump on and leave before the night.

What if Scoop is the Mole and has scanned both of us enough to get our Clues? What incentive does he have to openly jump ship by voting? Makes more sense for the Mole to stay under cover right now so that we have to guess if he is gone or not tommorrow.

Fine, you want us to vote for Scoop? How about CR? As long as it isn't our team, I can probably go along with it. We are still missing a few clues yet, so what can we do speed to this up? Or are you saying we are at an impasse, which my team seems to think. They have said for days now that your team is so dysfunctional that you are going to deadlock the vote unless we vote for ourselves. So far they have been right.

So Remus, what is GS's plan here? Is there an acceptable compromise that doesn't involve voting for our team yet again? (And I'm picking on Remus only because he seems to be the most vocal of your group, anyone can answer.)

by **Qantaga** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:57 pm

bb2112, I am certain that we can offer up a compromise that does not involve interrogating a Blusterberg agent today.

Our problem is that dysfunctional is probably a kind description of our team at the moment. We are working through our KIM-infested options. I hope for some attendance at the Black Bull tonight, but one way or another, we will offer up a GS agent for interrogation tomorrow (tomorrow real world, this day cycle in game terms) or possibly even late tonight (although I fear that is overly optimistic).

by **bb2112** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:20 pm

Qantaga wrote:bb2112, I am certain that we can offer up a compromise that does not involve interrogating a Blusterberg agent today.

Our problem is that dysfunctional is probably a kind description of our team at the moment. We are working through our KIM-infested options. I hope for some attendance at the Black Bull tonight, but one way or another, we will offer up a GS agent for interrogation tomorrow (tomorrow real world, this day cycle in game terms) or possibly even late tonight (although I fear that is overly optimistic).

Good luck.

by **Unagi** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:51 pm

I hate to say it, but it had better be someone that bb2112 needs info on, or there is no point to it.

And if it's not someone that I want info on, I am going to suggest that we get the last piece of data on bb2112. Should be able to get 6 on that without a problem.

But, I think GS is going to run away with this, the moment that Morocco bolts - and I think it's time BB gets a little info.

I liked the Qantaga idea - because it's like stessier voting for himself - it's a vote/clue that the other team can actually Bank On.

by **El Guapo** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:44 pm

bb2112 wrote: They have said for days now that your team is so dysfunctional that you are going to deadlock the vote unless we vote for ourselves. So far they have been right.

Dysfunctional like a fox!

by **Chaosraven** » Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:21 pm

hmmm... hookers... unagi... hookers... unagi...

by **Remus West** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:32 am

We won't be voting for me. How's that. Choose either El Guapo or Scoop. One of them might work out for you. Might. We shall see. I'm going to follow orders. Which means it might be me I suppose.

I'm debating offering you a deal. My last Clue for a vote on one of your of our choice. That way we all get a trustable clue (and I'll even explain why it is trustable later). Unagi should like that since he will get 2 for the price of 1. Of course if you vote me off then the deal go bye bye. I need clearance before I can make it official though. If Q says so here before I can I will adhere to his wish as well.

by **Newcastle** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:56 am

You wild & crazy guy there Remus...offering up deals....first ya offer up anyone BUT Qantaga....then anyone but Q & CR....now only Scoop & Elg.... :wink:

/airquotes
deals
/end airquotes

by **bb2112** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:51 am

Remus West wrote:We won't be voting for me. How's that. Choose either El Guapo or Scoop. One of them might work out for you. Might. We shall see. I'm going to follow orders. Which means it might be me I suppose.

I'm debating offering you a deal. My last Clue for a vote on one of your of our choice. That way we all get a trustable clue (and I'll even explain why it is trustable later). Unagi should like that since he will get 2 for the price of 1. Of course if you vote me off then the deal go bye bye. I need clearance before I can make it official though. If Q says so here before I can I will adhere to his wish as well.

I'm not sure how your 2nd clue could possibly be trustable. And to be honest, my team is getting quite pissed off with your team's constant attempt to bully the voting. We have offered to help you with your mole, we have offered up our guys four days in a row, we have tried to maintain the spirit of the game. I don't really understand how you feel like you are still in the drivers seat with telling us who we can or can't vote for. At this point we are willing to give up our night scan and give KIM the ever increasing advantage. If your team wants to not cooperate and be dysfunctional, then KIM can have the game. Congrats Unagi.

I think El G hit the nail on the head when he said your team is being dysfunctional like a fox. Our team feels we are being played beyond our endurance. Someone on your team vote for Remus and let this day end.

by **Remus West** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:13 am

bb2112 wrote:I'm not sure how your 2nd clue could possibly be trustable.

Well, to be fair, I could lie regarding my second clue but what I was saying is that I can prove myself non-KIM.

by **Unagi** » Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:34 am

Remus West wrote:
bb2112 wrote:I'm not sure how your 2nd clue could possibly be trustable.

Well, to be fair, I could lie regarding my second clue but what I was saying is that I can prove myself non-KIM.

Kimpossible!

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