The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

[purge]

I actually think you are Yoda but I ponder the idea of you as Dooku since I was just recently bit in the ass by something I considered a sure thing. I am not certain on Austin right now (either way, I'm not voting for him today as it is pointless for me to do so) but I wonder why you kept asking for him to be shot when he seems the best bet for testing you.

/shrug

I made my bed with regards to suspicion, I'll deal.

Syrup, you need. What intend you, with all the waffles you've made, hrrm?

Not that I want anyone to vote - I'd like to give any potential time to our shooter (praying we have one) step forward, but why exactly would it be pointless for you to vote for Austin? Because your hidden vote won't work on him?

He's not the best bet for testing, regardless. He took an action that brought Grund to N-1. Dooku killed Grund.

[tru1cy]

 purge 
 

[purge]

Day 4, no imps dead.

They deserve to win. I'm this close to self-voting twice.

[Unagi]

 purge 
 

see ?

[purge]

hey Scoop, are you not entertained?

Lol. This is one hell of a game. I'm completely comfuzzeled by all this. We must look like dorks to Grund, Trig, Issy and Purge.

Yes, you must.

[Unagi]

I didn't select who should be shot. Put down your paintbrush.

We have people who seem very much evil. Austin is one of them.

So are you. Supporting my night survival, then implying that I'm Dooku. Talking out both sides of your mouth, are you?

Reasoning for me to call any of our "read: rebel" shooters forward is that then we have another proven good and that their interactions may change perception.

I actually think you are Yoda but I ponder the idea of you as Dooku since I was just recently bit in the ass by something I considered a sure thing. I am not certain on Austin right now (either way, I'm not voting for him today as it is pointless for me to do so) but I wonder why you kept asking for him to be shot when he seems the best bet for testing you.

/shrug

I made my bed with regards to suspicion, I'll deal.

Why is it pointless for you to do so?

Yeah.

And also, why is it that you even would care to Ponder purge himself as Dooku, when purge could be any-old-evil-player, and dooku could just be a friend of his.

Good-Remus wouldn't dwell much on wondering if purge himself was either Yoda XOR Dooku.

[Unagi]

hey Scoop, are you not entertained?

Lol. This is one hell of a game. I'm completely comfuzzeled by all this. We must look like dorks to Grund, Trig, Issy and Purge.

Yes, you must.

You missed his point purge. You are likely Yoda, and Scoop is evil.

We will likely learn those things at some point soon, and Scoop just listed Izzy (whom we last saw Scoop try and implicate with trying to save Grund, if you will recall) to throw us into that whole ioacan powder thing with him.

He's got you all 'pre-proven', too, in that list.

You should turn your highbeams off purge, you can't see well in the fog with them on.

[theohall]

Have you people not LEARNED WITH THE RUSH VOTING?

Cripes.

I didn't vote, so Dooku is out there.

NEXT UP:

Do we have a shooter? Nice thing about this game is the shooter is PROVEN GOOD/EVIL as the role is revealed (right, BB?), as well as their target.

If we have a shot today, we should take it. With the shot, it gets us two things: we break up a pair, and test the other at lynch. I will cast my secret vote, and Force-Willing, it will be an imperial which means the only vote not counted will be mine.

Rebel shooters can only shoot under specific conditions (Han Solo and Chewbacca) if they are in the game at all. Chewbacca has to have an Imperial vote on him while Han only gets to shoot Greedo if Greedo tries to shoot him.

I thought that bb said that Chewbacca was a totally normal shooter for the case of this game.

If not, and Chewbacca exists and wants to step forward, we could have everyone vote on him, 1 at a time, and see if his Wookie Instincts allow him to rip the guys arms off.

But, again, I don't think that's the case for this game.

Pretty sure that's actually why bb said he was just vanilla.

The vanilla term came from my LAST clarification on that.

He's vanilla. Also, if you go back to page two with the role breakdown post I made and the post that BB followed up with on page 3, he also clarified it there.

Chewies shot is normal, no restriction (means he can shoot rebels) AND it reveals.

That's what I get for reading the rules.

Chewbacca: If he has at least one non Rebel vote on him he can go all Wookie on someone’s ass and tear them limb from limb. What do you expect? He is a Wookie. This will reveal his identity. If part of the “Wolf” contingent, he cannot tear apart a rebel.

So the whole non-Rebel vote thing being in the rules was for what, BB? Just curious.

[coopasonic]

That's what I get for reading the rules.

Chewbacca: If he has at least one non Rebel vote on him he can go all Wookie on someone’s ass and tear them limb from limb. What do you expect? He is a Wookie. This will reveal his identity. If part of the “Wolf” contingent, he cannot tear apart a rebel.

So the whole non-Rebel vote thing being in the rules was for what, BB? Just curious.

So he doesn't have to change the rules around when the sides are swapped. It is known.

[purge]

Recognize, we must that we know only that which we know. Hrrrrmmmm. Yesss - wise it would be, to reflect on the past.

Spoiler:

Unagi, hold on. I'd hate for you to trip over this wall of text and spill your wine.

Day 1 Vote:
1. Isgrimnur ---------------> Newcastle, Theohall, Grundbegriff, Austin
2. El Guapo ----------------> Redrun, Grundbegriff
3. Qantaga ----------------> Redrun
4. RMC ---------------------> Tru1cy, Scoop20906, Stessier
5. Lassr --------------------> Warpig, Isgrimnur, Grundbegriff, Scoop20906, Stessier
6. Mr. Bubbles -------------> Scoop20906, Grundbegriff
7. Coopasonic -------------> Grundbegriff, Stessier, Stessier
8. Chaosraven -------------> Redrun, Scoop20906, Newcastle, Grundbegriff
9. Remus West ------------> Chaosraven, Lassr, Scoop20906, Redrun
10. Scoop20906 ------------> Redrun, Theohall, Austin, Stessier
11. Redrun -----------------> Lagom Lite, Austin
12. Stessier ----------------> Purge, Grundbegriff
13. Jow ---------------------> Lagom Lite
14. Grundbegriff ----------> Stessier
15. Theohall ---------------> Isgrimnur, Scoop20906, Grundbegriff, Stessier, Purge, Grundbegriff
16. Tru1cy -----------------> Grundbegriff, Stessier
17. Purge ------------------> Stessier, Purge, Stessier
18. Lord Mortis -----------> Redrun, Grundbegriff, Austin, Grundbegriff
19. Austin -----------------> Jow, Redrun, Scoop20906, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier
20. Unagi ------------------> Tru1cy, Stessier, El Guapo, Scoop20906, Stessier
21. Triggercut ------------> Purge, Grundbegriff, Grundbegriff, Stessier, Grundbegriff, Stessier
22. Newcastle -------------> Grundbegriff, Theohall, Grundbegriff, Theohall, Stessier
23. Warpig ----------------> Mr. Bubbles, Redrun, Stessier
24. Lagom Lite -----------> Redrun, Triggercut, Stessier

13 Stessier <---------------- Lagom Lite, Purge, Grundbegriff, Unagi, Lassr, Austin, RMC, Warpig, Tru1cy, Newcastle, Triggercut, Scoop20906, Coopasonic
7 Grundbegriff <----------- Mr. Bubbles, El Guapo, Chaosraven, Stessier, Theohall, Lord Mortis, Remus West
2 Austin <-------------------- Redrun, Isgrimnur
1 Redrun <------------------ Qantaga
1 Lagom Lite <------------- Jow

Majority is 13

Day 2 Vote
1. Isgrimnur ---------------> Purge, Grundbegriff, Grundbegriff
2. El Guapo ----------------> Grundbegriff, Grundbegriff, Tru1cy, Grundbegriff
3. Qantaga ----------------> Lagom Lite, Purge, Lagom Lite, Grundbegriff
4. RMC ---------------------> Purge, Qantaga, Scoop20906
5. Lassr --------------------> El Guapo, Purge, Grundbegriff, Lagom Lite, Scoop20906, Unagi
6. Mr. Bubbles -------------> Grundbegriff, Purge, Unagi
7. Coopasonic -------------> Grundbegriff, Unagi, Grundbegriff, Isgrimnur
8. Chaosraven -------------> Purge, Purge, Grundbegriff, RMC, Unagi, Purge
9. Remus West ------------> Grundbegriff, Purge, Grundbegriff, Triggercut, Grundbegriff
10. Scoop20906 ------------> Triggercut, Grundbegriff
11. Jow ---------------------> Grundbegriff
12. Grundbegriff ----------> Purge, Theohall, Unagi, Unagi
13. Theohall ---------------> Grundbegriff, RMC, Purge, Triggercut, Grundbegriff
14. Tru1cy -----------------> Purge, Grundbegriff
15. Purge ------------------> Unagi, Theohall
16. Lord Mortis -----------> Grundbegriff, Purge, Chaosraven, Lagom Lite, Grundbegriff
17. Austin -----------------> Purge, Grundbegriff, Purge, Grundbegriff, Purge,Mr. Bubbles, Grundbegriff, Unagi, Tru1cy, Theohall, Unagi
18. Unagi ------------------> Purge, Grundbegriff, Purge, Grundbegriff, Triggercut, Chaosraven, Qantaga, Scoop20906, Grundbegriff, Isgrimnur
19. Triggercut ------------> Purge, Scoop20906, Unagi, Qantaga, Unagi, Theohall
20. Newcastle -------------> Purge, Lord Mortis, Unagi
21. Warpig ----------------> Grundbegriff, Qantaga, Unagi
22. Lagom Lite -----------> Grundbegriff, Purge, Purge, Grundbegriff, Scoop20906, Unagi


7 Unagi <---------------------------- Newcastle, Grundbegriff, Warpig, Austin, Lagom Lite, Lassr, Mr. Bubbles
8 Grundbegriff <------------------- Jow, Remus West, Lord Mortis, Theohall, Tru1cy, El Guapo, Qantaga, Scoop20906
1 Scoop20906 <-------------------- RMC
1 Purge <---------------------------- Chaosraven
1 Theohall <------------------------ Triggercut
2 Isgrimnur <------------------------ Coopasonic, Unagi

No Votes:
2 <------------- Purge, Isgrimnur

Majority is 12

Dead
Day 1 <------------ Stessier - Syringed
Night 1 <---------- Redrun - Garroted

Day 3 Vote - Final Vote Tally
1. Isgrimnur --------------->
2. El Guapo ---------------->
3. Qantaga ---------------->
4. RMC ---------------------> Grundbegriff
5. Lassr --------------------> Grundbegriff
6. Mr. Bubbles ------------->
7. Coopasonic -------------> Grundbegriff
8. Chaosraven ------------->
9. Remus West ------------> Grundbegriff
10. Scoop20906 ------------>
11. Grundbegriff ----------> Unagi
12. Theohall ---------------> Grundbegriff
13. Tru1cy ----------------->
14. Purge ------------------>
15. Lord Mortis -----------> Purge
16. Austin -----------------> Grundbegriff
17. Unagi ------------------> Grundbegriff
18. Triggercut ------------> Grundbegriff
19. Newcastle ------------->
20. Warpig ----------------> Grundbegriff
21. Lagom Lite -----------> Grundbegriff


10 Grundbegriff <-------------------- Theohall, Unagi, RMC, Triggercut, Coopasonic, Warpig, Lagom Lite, Lassr, Remus West, Austin, Hidden Vote (order known)
1 Purge <----------------------------- Lord Mortis
1 Unagi <----------------------------- Grundbegriff

No Votes:

Isgrimnur , El Guapo , Qantaga , Mr. Bubbles, Chaosraven, Scoop20906, Tru1cy, Purge, Newcastle


Majority is 11

Dead
Day 1 <------------ Stessier - Syringed
Night 1 <---------- Redrun - Garroted
Night 2 <---------- Jow - Injected

Unagi, do I see what? That Tru1cy contributes next to nothing to this game, with a total of 14 posts?Let me find them for you.
All he types is [ accuse ] grund [/ accuse ]

He does so for me, stess, and grund. And one post that's backwards. Thanks man. The dude in Africa is calling in more often.


Are people going to chime in WITHOUT voting? Sure would be an awful Rebel-Alliance'y thing to do, and step forward if they can take a shot and take away the imps ability to control two plays (yes, they may have shooters too, but that becomes a lynch list for us if they appear since all the shooters' roles are REVEALS).

Remus and Theo "seem" to have a hard time understanding that. Plausible deniability, methinks.

[purge]

hey Scoop, are you not entertained?

Lol. This is one hell of a game. I'm completely comfuzzeled by all this. We must look like dorks to Grund, Trig, Issy and Purge.

Yes, you must.

You missed his point purge. You are likely Yoda, and Scoop is evil.

We will likely learn those things at some point soon, and Scoop just listed Izzy (whom we last saw Scoop try and implicate with trying to save Grund, if you will recall) to throw us into that whole ioacan powder thing with him.

He's got you all 'pre-proven', too, in that list.

You should turn your highbeams off purge, you can't see well in the fog with them on.

Just drawing attention to the connections, since I was digging in the backroom storage.

Scoop is on my list of suspects. He also puts himself OUTSIDE my team, which (from my perspective, granted) means he's imperial.

This is why I only suggest that Austin should be the shot target - there is far more to discuss.

[purge]

That should say order unknown, not order known.

It wouldn't surprise me if Dooku's vote overt vote was not on Grund at all. Not that it really matters.

We're down 5 people with nothing to show for it.

[Qantaga]

 Remus 
 

You haven't accidentally done anything this game.

If we want a sure test for purge, I'm guessing this is the best bet. Austin, if evil Imperial shooter, may force himself on us anyways. and there is a chance he's indeed just our next miss. By the way, I am very ready to test Austin, if he's a miss - it's all on him and I seriosly can't just let it go, but I think Remus is a sure thing - and I'd like to test purge with what I think stands the best chance to hit an imperial.

Another thing to consider is that, even though Austin was the vote that delivered the death blow, it was Remus' vote that put Grund in Dooku range in the first place.

His vote is in direct contradiction with what he posted later:

though I'm not saying we should wait for it, or at least not for very long.

He should be allowed his chance to speak. If he chooses not to do so then he should be finished. Thus, come this time tomorrow if he has not chimed in I think we can assume he will not speak and purge should finish the deal or provide a reason why he won't and we should then finish the deal without purge's help.

Had he really believed Grund should be allowed the chance to speak, I can't imagine why he put Grund at n-2 in the first place.

[Unagi]

Another thing to consider is that, even though Austin was the vote that delivered the death blow, it was Remus' vote that put Grund in Dooku range in the first place.
...
Had he really believed Grund should be allowed the chance to speak, I can't imagine why he put Grund at n-2 in the first place.

I mentioned that earlier.

[Unagi]

Another thing to consider is that, even though Austin was the vote that delivered the death blow, it was Remus' vote that put Grund in Dooku range in the first place.
...
Had he really believed Grund should be allowed the chance to speak, I can't imagine why he put Grund at n-2 in the first place.

I mentioned that earlier.

I lied.

I went back to the post where I thought I brought it up, but it would appear that I edited it out.

[tru1cy]

 withdraw purge 
 
flailing convinced me

[Remus West]

 Remus 
 

You haven't accidentally done anything this game.

If we want a sure test for purge, I'm guessing this is the best bet. Austin, if evil Imperial shooter, may force himself on us anyways. and there is a chance he's indeed just our next miss. By the way, I am very ready to test Austin, if he's a miss - it's all on him and I seriosly can't just let it go, but I think Remus is a sure thing - and I'd like to test purge with what I think stands the best chance to hit an imperial.

Another thing to consider is that, even though Austin was the vote that delivered the death blow, it was Remus' vote that put Grund in Dooku range in the first place.

His vote is in direct contradiction with what he posted later:

though I'm not saying we should wait for it, or at least not for very long.

He should be allowed his chance to speak. If he chooses not to do so then he should be finished. Thus, come this time tomorrow if he has not chimed in I think we can assume he will not speak and purge should finish the deal or provide a reason why he won't and we should then finish the deal without purge's help.

Had he really believed Grund should be allowed the chance to speak, I can't imagine why he put Grund at n-2 in the first place.

Seriously? I put him in purge test range. I mentioned several times that was what I did and to leave him to speak. Nice of you to try blaming me for other's actions. I was unwilling to go another day without testing someone as we did the night before. I put it in place so that would not happen.

I say it is pointless for me to vote Austin because if I do and he turns up Rebel you will say I did it on purpose to cause the miss and if he turns up Imperial then you will say I did it to gain some trust by lynching an Imperial. So rather than vote I will allow others to do so in order for there to be a voting record of them. I assume you are going to lynch me (since with the pile of suspicion my way I doubt I'm high up on the take out list of the Imperials) so I want to do what I can to alleviate the damage done by my passing. If all I have left to offer is a trail of other people voting then that is what I will do. I do have more to offer than that though.

As for pondering purge as Dooku, maybe it is better said that purge has claimed publicly that he can cast a secret vote and thus has control over any that Dooku may place thus his continual "I did not vote grundbegriff" proves nothing to me since he easily could have done so without anyone knowing. I'm more than a little shocked nobody is really questioning that. Go back and look at day 1. Then get back to me.

[Qantaga]

Let's talk about this:

You don't want to do that. I have another card to play.

After Grund's lynch, a few people speculated on things like:

Still, this was a means to an end, yes? Grund gave us some hints as to who we could and couldn't trust. The question is, who?

and

Then there was some interplay between Grund and Scoop where our actual, verified scanner strongly hinted that maybe he'd give us an Imperial after all.

What if Grund had scanned an Imperial, but was holding back to generate discussion and information before he turned over his "other card" (not dreaming that his lynch train would run in less than 24 hours and culminate while he was at work)?

So, that got me thinking about a strange little note Grund dropped in response to one of my posts. Most of the game, Grund had put me firmly on his "suspicious of evil" list. Then, seemingly out of the blue, he posts:

You're far too interested in outing Rebels and then reducing our number.

Outing Rebels?

Isn't that our (Rebel) goal? Otherwise, how exactly do we win?

The Imperials already know the Rebels. We don't.

Again, you're ignoring the importance of reducing the pool of lynch candidates.

I'm starting to think you might be Good after all.

I was having a hard time figuring out what could possibly be in my post to make Grund say such a thing. After puzzling over it, I think the key phrase is "Again, you're ignoring the importance of reducing the pool of lynch candidates."

Perhaps that was Grund emphasizing not necessarily a genuine belief in a "Good" Qantaga, but emphasizing that he does indeed know the importance of reducing the pool of lynch candidates. Had he truly scanned a Rebel, he may have given us the name, with vagueness about the role (pure speculation on my part), thus reducing the lynch candidates. But, since he had (again, speculation) found an Imperial instead, he thought it important to play Puppetmaster to see if any other cards dropped from any sleeves.

What it the "I found a Good Special" was sleight of hand? What if Grund had indeed found an Imperial?

If Grund had found an Imperial how might he have signaled such a thing (before turning over his other card to play)?

For God and Symmetry:
 Unagi 
 

Of course, that ("Symmetry") might have just been a triggercut vote since Unagi had voted Grund earlier (Grund even quoted Unagi's vote in the original). However, the phrasing struck me as odd. "For God" could mean that the vote was made with more than just casual thought. "For Symmetry" could be for the fact that Unagi was almost in the hangman's noose on Day 2.

In thinking about the possibilities for Grund's last scan, who would he be likely to scan? While I have no pretentions of being able to guess what Grund might do with a scan, the game tells me that Unagi held more than just Grund's passing interest. Grund was number 2 on the Unagi vote the previous day and had left it there, so it seems that he had some determination in that regard. So, I do believe that there was a better than average chance that Unagi may have been Grund's scan target on his last night... and Grund did put a vote on Unagi after that scan.

Just a little late night pondering, but something to consider.

[Qantaga]

Seriously? I put him in purge test range. I mentioned several times that was what I did and to leave him to speak. Nice of you to try blaming me for other's actions. I was unwilling to go another day without testing someone as we did the night before. I put it in place so that would not happen.

Yes. Seriously.

Yes, you did put him in purge test range. But, putting him in purge test range also put him in Dooku kill range (whether purge is Yoda or Dooku).

If you really believed that Grund should be allowed to speak, you should have kept him out of Dooku kill range until he could do so.

I'm not blaming you for any actions other than your own.

[Unagi]

and Grund did put a vote on Unagi after that scan.

I think Grund had another card up his sleeve - not to say he wouldn't have left his vote on me.

Pretty sure I stabbed him once with that good-guy sword that proved we were both innocent, and he still kept his vote on me.

Additionally, I don't think he'd have really scanned me, don't know why.


Also, I wanted to post this: This lost scan isn't just Grunds fault, we should have held way further back from N-2.


Qantaga, Just to let you know, I think that post actually sounds a heck of a lot like the post where Triggercut was declared trusted. He may have actually scanned you.

[theohall]

You're far too interested in outing Rebels and then reducing our number.

This was another of the things Grundbegriff said which made me doubt his Rebelness. The combination of things seemed so wrong. His posts, triggercut's idiotic post given him being a Rebel - his context argument holds no water when reading that post. The over the top defense of Grundbegriff from triggercut saying lynch me, instead. All of that stuff adds up and none of it was adding up in a way that favored the Rebels.

I am shocked they did not see this. But.... I don't know crap.

So... onwards to our doom.

[Newcastle]

 austin 
 


he's smarter than that when good. I'd be curious to exaime that train and find people's rationale. I am really dissapointed that people didnt give him time to talk and draw stuff out. Imaptien ones we have.

[bb2112]

Day 4 Vote

1. Isgrimnur --------------->
2. El Guapo ---------------->
3. Qantaga ---------------->
4. RMC --------------------->
5. Lassr -------------------->
6. Mr. Bubbles -------------> Austin
7. Coopasonic -------------> Austin
8. Chaosraven ------------->
9. Remus West ------------>
10. Scoop20906 ------------>
11. Theohall --------------->
12. Tru1cy -----------------> Purge
13. Purge ------------------>
14. Lord Mortis -----------> Austin
15. Austin -----------------> Purge
16. Unagi ------------------> Remus West
17. Newcastle -------------> Austin
18. Warpig ---------------->
19. Lagom Lite ----------->

4 Austin <------------------------ Lord Mortis, Coopasonic, Mr. Bubbles, Newcastle
1 Purge <------------------------- Austin
1 Remus West <----------------- Unagi

No Votes:

Everyone else

Majority is 10

Dead
Day 1 <------------ Stessier - Syringed
Night 1 <---------- Redrun - Garroted
Night 2 <---------- Jow - Injected
Day 3 <------------ Grundbegriff - Blasted
Night 3 <---------- Triggercut - Nailed

Deadline is June 1st, 9PM Eastern

Day: All day actions happen first come first served
Count Dooku: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Yoda: Who will receive your secret vote for a lynch today?
Darth Maul: Who will you take with you to the afterlife?
Boba Fett: Who will you protect from the lynch?
Admiral Ackbar: Will you public declare?
Rukh: Who will you assassinate?
Boba Fett: If your scan reveals a Rebel, will you kill the Rebel?
Greedo: Who will you shoot?
Leia Organa: Who will you stun?
Vader: Who will you choke to death?
R2D2: Who will receive your 3 secret votes for a lynch?
C3PO: Will you ask the Mod through PM what role started in the game?
Chewbacca: Who's arms will you tear off?
Han Solo: Will you initiate a block? If so on who?
Grand Admiral Thrawn: Get’s Rebel or Citizen if there is a successful lynch of a Rebel or Citizen.

Anytime:
Rukh: If you have identified Thrawn, you may interrupt any kill on Thrawn and sacrifice yourself instead.
Cad Bane: Name the player you want to disable.
Admiral Ackbar: Did you meet your secret agenda? If so PM the Mod.

[bb2112]

Chewbacca: He can go all Wookie on someone’s ass and tear them limb from limb. What do you expect? He is a Wookie. This will reveal his identity. If part of the “Wolf” contingent, he cannot tear apart a rebel.

Chewbacca has been adjusted in the rules page. Sorry Theo, this one slipped through the cracks. Coopasonic and few others I think got it when I answered the question in the past, but hey, this should make it crystal clear.

[purge]

Austin,

I totally get your vote.

Were there a hidden vote that killed someone, I'd be pointing at the one who was outed.

I want Chewie to step forward with a shot. Because of the fact that there are imp shooters (their possible 3 to our possible 1), I think we should DECIDE, before he comes out, who to take the shot on.

Bold tags only - chime in with who our best test case is.

My recommended target for a shot is THEOHALL.

Lassr, Newcastle, RMC also gimme the heebee-jeebies. I'm most convinced that Unagi is the puppetmaster though. Unagi - you may as well stake claim to role - your alignment tells us the most about more people in this game, and our seer deliberately voted for you. No surprise that he WOULD scan you, given your position in the vote race yesterday.

[Unagi]

So, to be clear (for now):
you feel Austin is not worth a vote - you excuse him.
you excuse Remus also.

And you learn much from my lynch/shot?

Would you give me a breakdown on what you think you may learn?

template:

If Unagi is good:

If Unagi is bad:

[theohall]

Austin,

I totally get your vote.

Were there a hidden vote that killed someone, I'd be pointing at the one who was outed.

I want Chewie to step forward with a shot. Because of the fact that there are imp shooters (their possible 3 to our possible 1), I think we should DECIDE, before he comes out, who to take the shot on.

Bold tags only - chime in with who our best test case is.

My recommended target for a shot is THEOHALL.

Lassr, Newcastle, RMC also gimme the heebee-jeebies. I'm most convinced that Unagi is the puppetmaster though. Unagi - you may as well stake claim to role - your alignment tells us the most about more people in this game, and our seer deliberately voted for you. No surprise that he WOULD scan you, given your position in the vote race yesterday.

That's nice purge. Eat crow when you see the result. Hope you enjoy it. Acting out of character stands out. This is a simple thing for anyone to understand, except you, it seems.

 purge 
 


For wanting me shot. (TP - just like he did to stessier on Day One - nothing more).

[theohall]

Hey, everyone else. Vote for purge. It's not like he got stessier lynched or anything and actually pushed to have stessier lynched. Has claimed a role and not proven it - twice already.

Gonna keep pushing at me purge, when I backed off because I was wrong, I will push back. You are wrong right now, but will refuse to admit it, I am sure and another Rebel will die through your actions.

[Chaosraven]

Act like you and Remus don't deserve the lynch.

[Chaosraven]

And since both lynches in question were THE SEER what would be the proof? He could be Yoda or Dooku. We needed an Imperial to prove him Yoda. I can hear it now "well ok, sure it was asinine to push for that lynch, but Pruge is probably Dooku!"

[Remus West]

Act like you and Remus don't deserve the lynch.

I have not said anything along those lines, I would have noted. In fact, I have said just the opposite. I expect you will need to lynch us both. That is why I am refraining from voting for now. I find people who seem reluctant to vote for me interesting. Qantaga points out how he thinks it is my fault that Grundbegriff got lynched (rather than Austin placing the vote that pushed him over) because I placed him in Dooku range - as though I was supposed to know there was a Dooku with stessier needing full votes AND that someone would be idiot enough to put grund to n-1 before he spoke. All without placing his vote on me. Just one of the things I am watching now.

BTW, bb2112, when you figured the deadline did you count each day of this weekend or did you count the holiday weekend as one day? In the past I think when we had times we knew would be low forum traffic we have made those days count as a single one.

[LordMortis]

Hey, everyone else. Vote for purge. It's not like he got stessier lynched or anything and actually pushed to have stessier lynched. Has claimed a role and not proven it - twice already.

Gonna keep pushing at me purge, when I backed off because I was wrong, I will push back. You are wrong right now, but will refuse to admit it, I am sure and another Rebel will die through your actions.

Why in the world would you vote purge over Austin? What am I missing?

[purge]

I think Theo is a zerker. It's an awfully good reason why he'd be afraid of being shot.

He's played the volume at 11, and run roughshod over facts. When given to detail, all he can do is cite that I'm different from other games.

Put him down you must - Jedi powers don't work on rabies.

[Lassr]

Seen nothing so far to swing my vote from Austin so  Austin 
 

[bb2112]

BTW, bb2112, when you figured the deadline did you count each day of this weekend or did you count the holiday weekend as one day? In the past I think when we had times we knew would be low forum traffic we have made those days count as a single one.

No, I just went with the rules. It states day 3 and beyond are to be seven days unless the deadline falls on a weekend, then it will change to the following Monday.

If enough people want an extension by Wednesday, due to the Holiday weekend, then I will extend the deadline to next Monday. After Wednesday, you are stuck with Friday.

[purge]

You people didn't care about MY holiday weekend. I don't care about yours.

Unagi, scroll up and look at your voting history.
Y'know, I went to a lot of trouble of highlighting the voting history, and no one comments on it.

Wasted, the youth is on the young. To bed I will go and let the Force work this out. Hrrrmph.

[Newcastle]

BTW, bb2112, when you figured the deadline did you count each day of this weekend or did you count the holiday weekend as one day? In the past I think when we had times we knew would be low forum traffic we have made those days count as a single one.

No, I just went with the rules. It states day 3 and beyond are to be seven days unless the deadline falls on a weekend, then it will change to the following Monday.

If enough people want an extension by Wednesday, due to the Holiday weekend, then I will extend the deadline to next Monday. After Wednesday, you are stuck with Friday.

yeah treat the 4 day wekeend as 1 day. just fair for those.

Oh, i am actually loving the pause. THe game hasnt moved past 2 pages in the last 24 hours...i get to catch up...sa----wwweeet!
(my vote stays on austin right now). I still need to read into the nuances of what people are saying however.

[Newcastle]

You people didn't care about MY holiday weekend. I don't care about yours.

Unagi, scroll up and look at your voting history.
Y'know, I went to a lot of trouble of highlighting the voting history, and no one comments on it.

Wasted, the youth is on the young. To bed I will go and let the Force work this out. Hrrrmph.

thank you. i'll go through it and see if i can parse things together.

[theohall]

I think Theo is a zerker. It's an awfully good reason why he'd be afraid of being shot.

He's played the volume at 11, and run roughshod over facts. When given to detail, all he can do is cite that I'm different from other games.

Put him down you must - Jedi powers don't work on rabies.

I think purge is Dooku. After Day One, I pointed out he pushed hard to get stessier lynched. He denied. His posts proved otherwise. Did he ever admit he was wrong or actually did push to get stessier lynched? NO.

I flat out admit I was wrong about triggercut and Grundbegriff - with reason based upon their own actions. What were purge's reasons for pushing so hard to get stessier lynched? ONE post. I call BS on his actions.

AFAIK, there is no Zerker in this game for Empire. Darth Maul can detonate a device any time in the day time he desires takine someone with him, if he is in the game. Greedo, if in the game, can shoot someone whenever he desires. Rukh, if in the game, can only give his life to save Thrawn. He also has a one-time, any time shot like the other two.

stessier is flat out telling a lie by creating a role for the Empire which does not exist while trying to get my lynched. Ask why he is creating this fabrication? Going to repost the quotes which showed how hard he pushed to get stessier lynched, which purge still denies having done. Once again - why? Why would purge place one vote and one vote only on Day One, then push all of us to follow him so hard, based on one post by stessier, without some kind of prior knowledge?

If I am wrong on purge, so be it. But he is now making stuff up which cannot possibly happen in order to make me look bad, also.

[theohall]

The following is purge pushing to kill stessier. stessier was the only person, other than himself, on whom he placed a vote. Why was he so certain? Why was he pushing so hard for the rest of us to follow him? AND - he still has not proven his supposed role claim, in spite of all the over the top Yoda crap. Now, he is making up roles that don't exist. There is no Empire Zerker. Why is he making stuff up, now?

Never did I say I was certain - I said Stess is test-worthy, and left my vote there. I did not push.

You didn't push?? You kept indicating we should vote for him. What the heck is pushing, if not that?

These quotes aren't necessarily in order, but they were all by purge on Day One.

When I address you several times directly after the foxhole comment, you instead cast a net of trying to get others to support you rather than answering me directly. Kind of like a wolf who's relying on the herd to let a perceived weaker-than get picked off.

(push)

Calling him a wolf, while trying to couch it otherwise is still pushing for us to lynch him.

I typically vote once on day one, if at all. No sense in sliding my bet around the table.
Stess seems evil. You voted stess. Why not now?

(push)

Not true. When you don't know, you tend to slide your votes around on Day One. I checked other games when you were good. When you are on the bad guys team, you tend to stick with one vote. Saying stessier seems evil is not pushing??

Back to N-2 with NewC backing off.

Grund, it might be time for you to speak up.

As an aside: we're not back to square one - test stess.

(push)

Telling folks to "test stess" is pushing.

Am restricting my posts to 160chars or less.
Lame- I took it personally. Cooling off.
To get back to it, sticking with instinct, TP, and the flawed logic.
Help me test:
 Stessier 
 

(push)

Asking us again to test stessier.

He chimed. You want him to capitulate on day 1?

I think we should test Stess. As soon as I called him on his lame excuse, he shut up entirely.[

Push. But clearly, you were not fixated on pushing a lynch of stessier.