The Empire Strikes Back - Empire Victory

[Chaosraven]

CR: You are HERE

[Remus West]

Now I know how it feels to fall behind in these games. Ugh. Trying to get caught up little by little as I can.

[Lassr]

Upon GRUND claim

<sigh>

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 

 withdraw Grundbegriff 
 

I think it's fascinating that people withdraw their votes without even hesitating to see whether the claim will be contested.

I like how you only point out stuff that makes me look bad and leave out other stuff.

Y'all bought that?

Not 100% but what would you like us to do. Lynch you anyhow?

You've just painted a big target on your head at night if you are in fact a good guy, in that case let the bad guys worry with you.

If you are empire then you will live a few days and then we will have to deal with you.

[Lassr]

My vote for Lagom earlier is because he seems to be riding Chaosraven's coat tail and voting for me based on Chaos' accusation so far.

[Lagom Lite]

My vote for Lagom earlier is because he seems to be riding Chaosraven's coat tail and voting for me based on Chaos' accusation so far.

Nah, it's because of this:

And I cannot believe that you cannot see Lagom pulling a fast one with the stuff you have quoted above.

I was thinking it was you that said this:

"Lagom you are a smooth tongued devil, and an opportunistic monster"

Pandering to old-fashioned Lagom paranoia? Opportunistic art thou.

[purge]

[Lassr]

My vote for Lagom earlier is because he seems to be riding Chaosraven's coat tail and voting for me based on Chaos' accusation so far.

Nah, it's because of this:

And I cannot believe that you cannot see Lagom pulling a fast one with the stuff you have quoted above.

I was thinking it was you that said this:

"Lagom you are a smooth tongued devil, and an opportunistic monster"

Pandering to old-fashioned Lagom paranoia? Opportunistic art thou.

I just find it really odd that Chaosraven gives you so little credit for being able to fool us with your play. You've done that may times before.

[Lassr]

My vote for Lagom earlier is because he seems to be riding Chaosraven's coat tail and voting for me based on Chaos' accusation so far.

Nah, it's because of this:

And I cannot believe that you cannot see Lagom pulling a fast one with the stuff you have quoted above.

I was thinking it was you that said this:

"Lagom you are a smooth tongued devil, and an opportunistic monster"

Pandering to old-fashioned Lagom paranoia? Opportunistic art thou.

I just find it really odd that Chaosraven gives you so little credit for being able to fool us with your play. You've done that may times before.

Disclaimer:

For at least the THIRD FUCKING TIME: MY NOTES HERE ARE BASED ON DAY ONE ONLY

[WarPig]

Okay, after going back and rereading going on voting history and just general feeling, I think I know who I'm voting for.

 Remus West 
 

[Lassr]

Okay, after going back and rereading going on voting history and just general feeling, I think I know who I'm voting for.

 Remus West 
 

probably not a bad vote. I'm leaning Lagom, Remus or Bubbles today.

[RMC]

I guess my main concern, is most of the people that seem the most suspicious are the ones talking.

I think we should be looking at the quiet ones for at least one or two Imps.

I think Mr. Bubbles or Tru1cy are our current best bets. With LL and Scoop not far behind.

In rereading this thread(not all the way done yet), those two and the silence that they have just sticks out to me.

I think that both CR and Remus have acted odd this game as well..But let's face facts, they both always act odd..

[tru1cy]

Lynching me will be a miss but I understand why if you guys do. I'll leave my vote on Unagi

[Remus West]

Finally have a few seconds (but not much more so this will be chopped off).

I am C3P0.

I intended to come out the day I called for reveals but I had saved my day's question to check any claims. Then when warpig claimed a provable role I used my question and awaited a response before moving on and by the time I got back the day was over. So.....here ya go.

Started:
7 Imperials
6 Rebels

Day 1 - stessier - not special
Night 1 - redrun - special
Day 2 - No lynch
Night 2 - Jow - not special
Day 3 - Grund - special
Night 3 - triggercut - not special
Day 4 - No lynch due to Boba
Night 4 - Qantaga - not special
Day 5 - Austin - Imperial
Night 5 - El Guapo - not special
Day 6 - Newcastle - Imperial
Night 7 - purge - special

Questions each day:
1 - Emperor - No
2 - Tarkin - No
3 - missed chance as the grund vote closed on my window
4 - Vader - Yes
5 - Nute Gunray - No
6 - Greedo - No
7 - Maul - No

I thought about asking about Wedge but I believe LordMortis' claim and thus did not bother. I thought about asking about Mara but figured I believe RMC's claim to that role and with no Emp in the game there is no worry there either.

So:

Rebels (6) :
redrun - Mon Moth (due to Elimination)
grundbegriff - Talon
purge - Yoda
warpig - R2D2
Remus - C3P0
LordMortis - Wedge

Imperials (7) :
Austin - Boba
Newcastle - Presumably not Vader possible Dooku
? - Vader
? - Dooku?
? - ?
? - ?
? - ?

Summary of Imperial Roles:
Emp - Out
Vader - In
Dooku - In
Tarkin - Out
Thrawn - ?
Rukh - ?
Jabba - ?
Boba - In
Jorcus - ?
Cad Bane - ?
Ventress - ?
Grevious - ?
Maul - Out
Gun Ray - Out
Greedo - Out

3 or 4 more Imperial roles out there. I think we got damned lucky on which ones were in.

I never asked about Talon when grundbegriff came out because the first day I had already asked about Tarkin right away. Day 2 I had bought into the idea that Talon would have challenged grundbegriff's claim if he was in the game (for some reason grundbegriff telling the truth never occured to me). I intended to get him to claim the role he was saying he was going to give us and then be able to confront him with it not existing unless he got lucky - and if he claimed he had scanned C3P0 then I was going to demand he tell us who it was. I was very happy with myself for trapping him into a guess as to role. Looking back I think he did scan me.

Current State of the Game:
14 players
5 Imperial - 9 Rebels
lynch - miss 5/8
night - 5/7
lynch - miss 5/6
night - 5/5 game over

Vader is immaterial for the number of misses we have remaining. 2. They have no other "beserkers/shooters/people who kill us during the day in any way shape or form".

[coopasonic]

My count has remus at 3 votes. Not necessarily a panicked reveal.

How many people could Remus be covering for with this? RMC is the main one. I don't see much else. Geez that's a lot of imperials.

If telling the truth Remus is now the most dangerous player and just confirmed there's nothing we can do to protect him, so if he's faking it, we'll have lost tomorrow. If he's telling the truth the only thing we know for certain is Remus is good and maybe RMC.

If there are any other good guy specials, speak up now so we can debunk Remus.

[Unagi]

C3PO.

Interesting...

I wish I totally believed it. Maybe I do. Actually - I'll tell ya what I think - I think I don't even care all that much about 'doubting it'.


If you are indeed C3PO, can you at least see how entertaining this all would be to a wolf-Scoop?

 Scoop 
 

I also think that we could hit IMP-DIRT if we took our swing against tr1ucy. (As if I haven't been saying that, for pretty much the entire game)



I'll let others muse over the chances that you are indeed C3P0.

Remus, do you spell your name with an "O" or a zer0 ?

[Unagi]

My count has remus at 3 votes. Not necessarily a panicked reveal.

How many people could Remus be covering for with this? RMC is the main one. I don't see much else. Geez that's a lot of imperials.

If telling the truth Remus is now the most dangerous player and just confirmed there's nothing we can do to protect him, so if he's faking it, we'll have lost tomorrow. If he's telling the truth the only thing we know for certain is Remus is good and maybe RMC.

If there are any other good guy specials, speak up now so we can debunk Remus.

That's pretty much my thought about why I would just run with Remus' claim being true, and see if we lose.

My thought is that our best chance to win is half embedded in us needing Remus to be right about the Emperor (not in the game) and RMC being unconvertable.

So, I'm taking Remus and RMC off my 'table'.

[Unagi]

Lynching me will be a miss but I understand why if you guys do. I'll leave my vote on Unagi

Remus, do you still hold the record - or do I hold it now?

[Remus West]

Lynching me will be a miss but I understand why if you guys do. I'll leave my vote on Unagi

Remus, do you still hold the record - or do I hold it now?

[Unagi]

 remus west 
 
just a gut feeling

I'm honored that I got the longest post from tru1cy in weeks.

remember that ?

but then, he suddenly trusted you:

 Unagi 
 


I like RW reasoning

Lynching me will be a miss but I understand why if you guys do. I'll leave my vote on Unagi

I now have tru1cy's longest post. I shouldn't have said 'record', I should have said 'honor'.

[Remus West]

Ah. I was trying to think of some WW related record I was the holder of (other than longest surviving trusted to never hit a ww).

[WarPig]

 withdraw Remus West 
 


R2 had no quotes at threepio, otherwise I'd have one. I'm still kind of wary, due to voting history.

[Unagi]

 withdraw Remus West 
 

WOoooooooo

fixed

[Chaosraven]

Finally have a few seconds (but not much more so this will be chopped off).

I am C3P0.


Summary of Imperial Roles:
Vader - In

Rukh - ?

Maul - Out
Greedo - Out


Current State of the Game:
14 players
5 Imperial - 9 Rebels
lynch - miss 5/8
night - 5/7
lynch - miss 5/6
night - 5/5 game over

Vader is immaterial for the number of misses we have remaining. 2. They have no other "beserkers/shooters/people who kill us during the day in any way shape or form".

Rukh: Rukh is also an expert assassin. Once per game he can kill one other player. His identity will immediately be revealed. If part of the “wolf” contingent, Rukh will automatically know Thrawn’s identity if Thrawn is in the game.

Would you care to revise your statement?

[Chaosraven]

My count has remus at 3 votes. Not necessarily a panicked reveal.

How many people could Remus be covering for with this? RMC is the main one. I don't see much else. Geez that's a lot of imperials.

If telling the truth Remus is now the most dangerous player and just confirmed there's nothing we can do to protect him, so if he's faking it, we'll have lost tomorrow. If he's telling the truth the only thing we know for certain is Remus is good and maybe RMC.

If there are any other good guy specials, speak up now so we can debunk Remus.

Perhaps the intentions of those who said they would vote Remus should be considered for the number of votes he feels are there.
Certainly any remaining Specials should come forward as that would give us an Imperial.

Need to revisit his Numbers based on his omission of Rukh as a Shooter.

[coopasonic]

Need to revisit his Numbers based on his omission of Rukh as a Shooter.

That part is easy. If Darth is still alive and there is no reason to believe he isn't, if Rukh is in game, 1 miss = loss.

[Chaosraven]

Need to revisit his Numbers based on his omission of Rukh as a Shooter.

That part is easy. If Darth is still alive and there is no reason to believe he isn't, if Rukh is in game, 1 miss = loss.

So with a C3PO spoof and a Converted Mara?

We could assume the numbers again, for 2 Shooters, what would be the total that we should have already lost today, and step it down from that (since we haven't).

[LordMortis]

I can accept Remus claim for now, though I would have preferred a Mara and/or Wedge scan in there somewhere, putting the empire in a position of choosing to after us or disprove us. Mara is my obvious hope but I'd understand if others felt differently.

Lending to his credibility is his claiming there are no other living specials. If there are any other living specials, you should come out now (though you should have come out before)
Detracting from it is that he waited until warpig put his vote on him and that's a huge detraction. So much so that I don't take remus off the block.

I don't accept him enough to allow him input on a vote, so I'd just assume let him post today and ignore everything he says for now and hope that his vote goes wherever it needs to go to keep the vote from stalling today if need be.

I really don't think Cad is worth scanning for because there have been at least two opportunities to use him to throw off our rebel proof (Warpig and Purge) and one to mess up grund.

Vader is material for me (And possibly the game depending on the math I haven't done). I am worth two night kills.

If telling the truth Remus is now the most dangerous player and just confirmed there's nothing we can do to protect him, so if he's faking it, we'll have lost tomorrow.

1)I assume that means if we don't lynch an imperial.
2)
Why?

14 players 5 imperials.
miss
12 players 5 imperials.
Vader chokes
11 players 5 imperials.

Unless you know doku is alive.

My gut says to vote for you today. It's a shame my gut sucks. But I'm going with it anyway.

 coop 
 


But I'm willing to see it go another way pretty easy.

My fear is that if remus is covering from rmc that there are three places to find an imperial. Of course, I've already conceded that I am willing to lose to rmc being evil, so if remus is in cahoots with him, it doesn't matter so much. I'd have committed to losing days ago.

[Chaosraven]

Try it this way:

If we lynch Remus, and he comes back Rebel, what does that give us for numbers (as his Info would be True, though Flawed)?

[Chaosraven]

Try it this way:

If we lynch Remus, and he comes back Rebel, what does that give us for numbers (as his Info would be True, though Flawed)?

Current State of the Game:
14 players
5 Imperial - 9 Rebels
lynch - miss 5/8
night - 5/7
lynch - miss 5/6
night - 5/5 game over

As the First Miss, we would be at 1 Chance left, except for possible Vader(RW confirms) and Rukh(RW forgot) and Dooku vote.
So that 5/7 come morning would have 2 Imp Shooters (5/5) and we lose.

[Chaosraven]

An insidious puzzle.

If Remus is indeed C3PO, but just that dumb, it could cause the loss.

So Remus, explain to us how you glossed over the other shooting role?

[LordMortis]

So with a C3PO spoof and a Converted Mara?

I didn't even think about that

7 empire, 2 dead, 1 Mara unconverted actually means

14 players 4 empire remaining.

I also forgot about rukh. I had the crazy potential for shooters listed early and then forgot who's who.

Potential 2 shooters(?) At least one in the game. Plus potential Doku

miss tonight

12 players with 4 empire
2 shooters would take it down to 10 plus an overvote would equal the potential to win the game if they took two shots and rushed the vote as coop suggested using different math.

[LordMortis]

If Remus is indeed C3PO, but just that dumb, it could cause the loss.

In what way does it cause the loss unless remus is suggesting we lynch a rebel? It only causes the loss if two shooter and doku are alive and we lynch him today because he's that dumb.

[Chaosraven]

Need to revisit his Numbers based on his omission of Rukh as a Shooter.

That part is easy. If Darth is still alive and there is no reason to believe he isn't, if Rukh is in game, 1 miss = loss.

So with a C3PO spoof and a Converted Mara?

We could assume the numbers again, for 2 Shooters, what would be the total that we should have already lost today, and step it down from that (since we haven't).

Current State of the Game:
14 players
5 Imperial - 9 Rebels
lynch - miss 5/8
=========================
Half is 7. Two shooters could put us at 12, where 6 Imperial get the Win. So there either aren't 6 Imperial or they indeed only have one Shooter.
At 13, Majority is 7. So there either aren't 6 Imperial or Dooku is Dead (as one Shooter would put us at 6 plus overvote to pass into Night)

[Chaosraven]

If Remus is indeed C3PO, but just that dumb, it could cause the loss.

In what way does it cause the loss unless remus is suggesting we lynch a rebel? It only causes the loss if two shooter and doku are alive and we lynch him today because he's that dumb.

That's why I wanted to try the Numbers based on:

Remus telling the truth

[coopasonic]

If telling the truth Remus is now the most dangerous player and just confirmed there's nothing we can do to protect him, so if he's faking it, we'll have lost tomorrow.

1)I assume that means if we don't lynch an imperial.
2)
Why?

The only reason to fake a role that will be disproven by living through the night is if that gets them to what they need to win before we can do anything about it.

[coopasonic]

Dooku has squat to do with it and I have no idea why you even mention it

[LordMortis]

Current State of the Game:
14 players
5 Imperial - 9 Rebels
lynch - miss 5/8
=========================
Half is 7. Two shooters could put us at 12, where 6 Imperial get the Win. So there either aren't 6 Imperial or they indeed only have one Shooter.
At 13, Majority is 7. So there either aren't 6 Imperial or Dooku is Dead (as one Shooter would put us at 6 plus overvote to pass into Night)

I thought was established that Mara doesn't count as an imperial after the game starts. The she is a citizen. She is basically a rebel gimme. Is that not the case?

bb2112, if mara is a conflicted citizen does she count for as an imperial for the end count or as a rebel?

[LordMortis]

The only reason to fake a role that will be disproven by living through the night is if that gets them to what they need to win before we can do anything about it.

??? Remus back is against the wall with the warpig vote. He's going to fake whatever role best fits with him not getting lynched. 3P0 is a nonprovable vote short of there being another living rebel.

How will his role get nonproven by living through the night?

[LordMortis]

Dooku has squat to do with it and I have no idea why you even mention it

No idea what this is in reference to.

[Chaosraven]

I thought was established that Mara doesn't count as an imperial after the game starts. The she is a citizen. She is basically a rebel gimme. Is that not the case?

bb2112, if mara is a conflicted citizen does she count for as an imperial for the end count or as a rebel?

As she would be Unconfirmed by either side?