You just don't get it, do you? You look for reasons to justify your world view rather than trying to discern the world. Kraegor went zen and you got more and more convinced it was him. I yell to get your attention and you are more convinced it is me. There is no winning - particularly for the Village with your current vote.theohall wrote:I think I have figured out stessier's antagonism. He is the last wolf and has the following card which will guarantee him the win.
Let's find out, since it does not appear we can stop it.15. Nuke’em From Orbit (If lynched play this card and one of your lynchers will die in your place. Card holders choice). 1 use.
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Your reading comprehension is a sight to behold.theohall wrote:You are not dead, because there are only two votes on you. RMC has not voted. This makes the wolf you or triggercut. As stated before, an RMC-wolf would have already cast the killing vote.stessier wrote:Incidentally, I'm not dead. I'm assuming - Lassr has been by and all.
That means we don't have to worry about the overvote card. We could have actually tested theo's Told Ya So safely today. Huh.
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Kraegor cast doubt on me the entire game and did not go "zen" for quite awhile - especially on the last day. You seem to have gone ballistic when my vote was still in doubt between you and RMC. I have to wonder why, when I still had doubt. Your actions removed my doubt.stessier wrote:You just don't get it, do you? You look for reasons to justify your world view rather than trying to discern the world. Kraegor went zen and you got more and more convinced it was him. I yell to get your attention and you are more convinced it is me. There is no winning - particularly for the Village with your current vote.theohall wrote:I think I have figured out stessier's antagonism. He is the last wolf and has the following card which will guarantee him the win.
Let's find out, since it does not appear we can stop it.15. Nuke’em From Orbit (If lynched play this card and one of your lynchers will die in your place. Card holders choice). 1 use.
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Sooo...I saw it was between myself and RMC and I worked to clear RMC - knowing I needed two Villagers to agree with me? Very, very wolfy of me.theohall wrote:Kraegor cast doubt on me the entire game and did not go "zen" for quite awhile - especially on the last day. You seem to have gone ballistic when my vote was still in doubt between you and RMC. I have to wonder why, when I still had doubt. Your actions removed my doubt.stessier wrote:You just don't get it, do you? You look for reasons to justify your world view rather than trying to discern the world. Kraegor went zen and you got more and more convinced it was him. I yell to get your attention and you are more convinced it is me. There is no winning - particularly for the Village with your current vote.theohall wrote:I think I have figured out stessier's antagonism. He is the last wolf and has the following card which will guarantee him the win.
Let's find out, since it does not appear we can stop it.15. Nuke’em From Orbit (If lynched play this card and one of your lynchers will die in your place. Card holders choice). 1 use.
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Look at the Chaos vote - newcastle, Remus and I were the last 3. Really, 3 wolves dogpiled to end it on Day 1?
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I believe stessier's at n-1 with theohall's vote.
I'm not quite ready to go there yet.
Withdraw stessier
I would like to think about it for a moment.
I'm not quite ready to go there yet.
Withdraw stessier
I would like to think about it for a moment.
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And theo, that was the most Zen game Kraegor has ever played. He only got mildly irritated once. You might have felt bad because he kept pointing to you, but he was certainly not Grouchy Kraegor.
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The tension in the air was thick. Name calling and insults started flying showing the frustration that was building up.
Triggercut was the first to act casting a vote against stessier then stessier retaliated with a vote. Theohall spoke up and sent the vote count to two against stessier.
Stessier spoke up, “I’m not dead yet, we still have time to get this right.”
Triggercut thought about and decided stessier was right. “I’m not so sure of my vote so I…”
At that moment the Mage Stone came to life. A bolt shot out and hit stessier. A look of shock came over everyone’s face as stessier fell to the ground dead.
RMC screamed at the Stone, “What the Fizzle? That’s two vote you dumbass rock!” RMC picks up the stone and starts shaking it, “Piece of shit is broken! That was only…” A powerful shock emits from the stone causing RMC to convulse and drop the stone. RMC falls back to the ground and lands on his butt, staring at nothing in a daze.
Theohall looks at stessier's body, “I don’t know what just happened but let’s see what stessier is.” They did not have long to wait as a white mist forms above his body. Stessier was NOT a Dark Mage.
Day 4
theohall ----- stessier
stessier ----- triggercut
triggercut ----- stessier
RMC -----
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stessier -3 ----- triggercut, theohall, ???
triggercut -1 ----- stessier
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Majority = 3
Triggercut was the first to act casting a vote against stessier then stessier retaliated with a vote. Theohall spoke up and sent the vote count to two against stessier.
Stessier spoke up, “I’m not dead yet, we still have time to get this right.”
Triggercut thought about and decided stessier was right. “I’m not so sure of my vote so I…”
At that moment the Mage Stone came to life. A bolt shot out and hit stessier. A look of shock came over everyone’s face as stessier fell to the ground dead.
RMC screamed at the Stone, “What the Fizzle? That’s two vote you dumbass rock!” RMC picks up the stone and starts shaking it, “Piece of shit is broken! That was only…” A powerful shock emits from the stone causing RMC to convulse and drop the stone. RMC falls back to the ground and lands on his butt, staring at nothing in a daze.
Theohall looks at stessier's body, “I don’t know what just happened but let’s see what stessier is.” They did not have long to wait as a white mist forms above his body. Stessier was NOT a Dark Mage.
Day 4
theohall ----- stessier
stessier ----- triggercut
triggercut ----- stessier
RMC -----
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stessier -3 ----- triggercut, theohall, ???
triggercut -1 ----- stessier
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Day 4 he was grouchy.stessier wrote:And theo, that was the most Zen game Kraegor has ever played. He only got mildly irritated once. You might have felt bad because he kept pointing to you, but he was certainly not Grouchy Kraegor.
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So you attempt to "clear yourself" by antagonizing someone you want to agree with you?? Want kind of logic is that?stessier wrote: Sooo...I saw it was between myself and RMC and I worked to clear RMC - knowing I needed two Villagers to agree with me? Very, very wolfy of me.
Look at the Chaos vote - newcastle, Remus and I were the last 3. Really, 3 wolves dogpiled to end it on Day 1?
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And it looks like Congratulations will be handed out to triggercut.
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Not I, thanks.theohall wrote:And it looks like Congratulations will be handed out to triggercut.
And we're still alive, actually. I had the Shield card and played it. I'm not saying on whom I used it, either.
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Day 6
Triggercut rounds the corner of a row of huts and spots RMC walking toward the town square also. As they meet they stare at each other realizing they were the last two. A cloud of smoke envelopes them.
When the smoke clears RMC is laying on the ground grasping his throat as blood pours from it. Triggercut looks down and smiles. All his powers should return soon now that the last Villager is dying.
“Thankfully my years as an alchemist paid off.” He says as he tosses the extra smoke bomb away as it is no longer needed. It pops and a cloud of smoke rises.
With one last gasp RMC dies. The clouds begin to swirl and a black beam hits Dominicus Triggercut. Your magic has returned. You turn to leave the village. The conversion was a failure but at least you survived to try again somewhere else. But first you need a new apprentice and another rookie trainee. Hopefully this one would not be so careless.
Triggercut rounds the corner of a row of huts and spots RMC walking toward the town square also. As they meet they stare at each other realizing they were the last two. A cloud of smoke envelopes them.
When the smoke clears RMC is laying on the ground grasping his throat as blood pours from it. Triggercut looks down and smiles. All his powers should return soon now that the last Villager is dying.
“Thankfully my years as an alchemist paid off.” He says as he tosses the extra smoke bomb away as it is no longer needed. It pops and a cloud of smoke rises.
With one last gasp RMC dies. The clouds begin to swirl and a black beam hits Dominicus Triggercut. Your magic has returned. You turn to leave the village. The conversion was a failure but at least you survived to try again somewhere else. But first you need a new apprentice and another rookie trainee. Hopefully this one would not be so careless.
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Cards
ROLES
1. Newcastle 13 13 evil mage terric
2. BB2112 4 4 villager
3. theohall 7 7 villager
4. kraegor 6 6 villager
5. Remus West 12 12 evil mage Lycoris
6. El Guapo 3 3 villager
7. stessier 2 2 villager
8. triggercut 11 11 evil mage Dominicus
9. Chaosraven 8 8 villager
10. Qantaga 5 5 villager
11. RMC 10 10 villager
12. redrun 9 9 villager
13. Mr. Bubbles 1 1 Seer Ezkerra
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1. Newcastle 13 13 evil mage terric
2. BB2112 4 4 villager
3. theohall 7 7 villager
4. kraegor 6 6 villager
5. Remus West 12 12 evil mage Lycoris
6. El Guapo 3 3 villager
7. stessier 2 2 villager
8. triggercut 11 11 evil mage Dominicus
9. Chaosraven 8 8 villager
10. Qantaga 5 5 villager
11. RMC 10 10 villager
12. redrun 9 9 villager
13. Mr. Bubbles 1 1 Seer Ezkerra
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Did Q use the Shield card on Day 2? If so, upon whom?
If he'd have self-protected, that would've been bad for Team Evil...
If he'd have self-protected, that would've been bad for Team Evil...
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Card usage. A bit hard to read...
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used it on BB2112.triggercut wrote:Did Q use the Shield card on Day 2? If so, upon whom?
If he'd have self-protected, that would've been bad for Team Evil...
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Ah, so the other half of the matched pair, and someone who was one of the two under consideration to kill with that Death card. Whew. We had basically a 50-50 shot and chose the right player.Lassr wrote:used it on BB2112.triggercut wrote:Did Q use the Shield card on Day 2? If so, upon whom?
If he'd have self-protected, that would've been bad for Team Evil...
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TO everyone:
I am SO SO SO SO SORRY about the temper tantrum i threw close to my lynch. I really hope i didnt offend anyone or tick people off. I hope i didnt step over any lines nor hurt anyone's feelings/perceptions. It was more designed as a flailing away at anything trying to grab a life boat type of strategy that i wanted to portray. I hope it wasnt portrayed or viewed deeper than what it was.
I really hope no one thought more than anything within context of this game.
I am SO SO SO SO SORRY about the temper tantrum i threw close to my lynch. I really hope i didnt offend anyone or tick people off. I hope i didnt step over any lines nor hurt anyone's feelings/perceptions. It was more designed as a flailing away at anything trying to grab a life boat type of strategy that i wanted to portray. I hope it wasnt portrayed or viewed deeper than what it was.
I really hope no one thought more than anything within context of this game.
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So what did everyone think?
From my end the game has a lot of potential but I definitely need to weight the chances of some cards coming into play. Some were useless, some were very powerful. Some were useful but the odds of them getting used correctly were very very high.
Eliminate the seer but have the White Mage get 2 or 3 cards per day (use only 1). Then have like 10 chances for a free scan to come into play each day but only one card per day would be assigned.
From my end the game has a lot of potential but I definitely need to weight the chances of some cards coming into play. Some were useless, some were very powerful. Some were useful but the odds of them getting used correctly were very very high.
Eliminate the seer but have the White Mage get 2 or 3 cards per day (use only 1). Then have like 10 chances for a free scan to come into play each day but only one card per day would be assigned.
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I liked it. I thought it had a lot of potential. I thought we, dark mages, came back from a really, really bad position early on to win it. Granted a lot of it had to do w/ Trig navigating the waters. But, on that first today when the pool dropped from 13 unknowns to 9 unknowns...then to 8 unknowns....it was a HUGE hill to traverse back from. Needed a lot of luck (card wise) to come back from that.
On the whole, I think a few tweaks are in order. I like everyone had powers. I hated that the game seemed to drag on.
On the whole, I think a few tweaks are in order. I like everyone had powers. I hated that the game seemed to drag on.
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I'd eliminate the seer and give that one player the opportunity to churn cards.Lassr wrote:So what did everyone think?
From my end the game has a lot of potential but I definitely need to weight the chances of some cards coming into play. Some were useless, some were very powerful.
Eliminate the seer but have the White Mage get 2 or 3 cards per day (use only 1). Then have like 10 chances for a free scan to come into play each day but only one card per day would be assigned.
To me, that's your challenge--how to balance the card churn ability of the village against the wolves.
Late Day 1 and then Day 2 were the turning points.
Mr Bubbles having to reveal hurt a lot for the Village. Then getting the Death card and getting it successfully deployed against one of the Gang Of Four was huge. Early on Day 1, the Village was hunting 3 wolves in a field of 9 players.
By the time Day 3 dawned, there were enough doubts out there that the situation had changed completely.
BTW, on Day 3 I talked way too much, got too clever by half, and absolutely STEPPED in it. The most afraid I was that I'd been caught happened on page 24, and stessier was all over it...but never pursued or followed up. I really was on the ropes.
stessier wrote:O RLY?triggercut wrote:Day 1 I had "Swiper No Swiping". I played it, but I believe it has unlimited uses.
triggercur wrote:Can we talk about the card we held yesterday but didn't play? I was debating whether to actually play mine--just to take it out of rotation--but didn't expect the final two votes on CR to land so damn fast and didn't get a chance to play.
As for Newcastle, I see 1, perhaps 2 cards that match the criteria for being something you'd want to play right away and also keep hidden, and I had to really stretch both the definition of those filters to get to two.
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I think that's a factor of summer vacations more than anything else. July/August games are gonna do what they're gonna do.Newcastle wrote: I hated that the game seemed to drag on.
I really enjoyed the game, Lassr. Clever concept, and should keep all villagers interested.
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Except for the Villager who gets Swiper no Swiping 3 times!!!triggercut wrote: Clever concept, and should keep all villagers interested.
I think the game went well, but I think it has the potential for land slide victories on either side. I also still don't see how tracking cards is detrimental to the wolves because of the DayDreamer cards that are in play (I thought that was a great bit of balance). No need to re-argue it, just throwing in my 2 cents.
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I don't know, I think that has been a trend of all games recently. I actually liked not having a deadline, though. Work has been busy and it was nice to know I didn't have to login and try and figure anything out.triggercut wrote:I think that's a factor of summer vacations more than anything else. July/August games are gonna do what they're gonna do.Newcastle wrote: I hated that the game seemed to drag on.
By the way RMC, that Japan trip wasn't hiding from the game - that was very, very real.
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stessier wrote:I don't know, I think that has been a trend of all games recently. I actually liked not having a deadline, though. Work has been busy and it was nice to know I didn't have to login and try and figure anything out.triggercut wrote:I think that's a factor of summer vacations more than anything else. July/August games are gonna do what they're gonna do.Newcastle wrote: I hated that the game seemed to drag on.
By the way RMC, that Japan trip wasn't hiding from the game - that was very, very real.
Damn... I needed to place my vote on Trigger, and I was just going to do that..Except game over..And I died again to give the wolves the win...Ugh..
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In terms of teh cards revealing Stessier:
1. It woudl reveal to all who had what.
2. The wolves would HAVE to come clean about their cards regardless. If they didnt they'd be viewed w/ suspicion
3. That would take the choice of how to use those cards out of the wolves hands and into the villagers. What would be the point of the cards then if they couldnt play them?
3b - if they lied about having a card and someone got them later on, they'd be hosed.
It really forced the card playing out of the wolf's hands.
4. Also it would take the personal villager choice of how to play the cards out fo their hands and into a few "trusted" who'd be calling the shots. There was a game a few years ago, where it just turned into a system and players playing really stopped.
I think it's imperative that in the future public coordination of the cards doesnt happen. Maybe querying for advice is ok....but not letting all the villagers reveal their cards.
I am pretty sure that my arguing against revealing the cards tipped my hand as to my being a dark mage. I hated having to come out and argue that, but felt i had to stop that discussion right there and then before too much came out. Also, remember that at that time i think 4 people were pretty much "villagers", i was desperate to prevent any more damage to my side.
1. It woudl reveal to all who had what.
2. The wolves would HAVE to come clean about their cards regardless. If they didnt they'd be viewed w/ suspicion
3. That would take the choice of how to use those cards out of the wolves hands and into the villagers. What would be the point of the cards then if they couldnt play them?
3b - if they lied about having a card and someone got them later on, they'd be hosed.
It really forced the card playing out of the wolf's hands.
4. Also it would take the personal villager choice of how to play the cards out fo their hands and into a few "trusted" who'd be calling the shots. There was a game a few years ago, where it just turned into a system and players playing really stopped.
I think it's imperative that in the future public coordination of the cards doesnt happen. Maybe querying for advice is ok....but not letting all the villagers reveal their cards.
I am pretty sure that my arguing against revealing the cards tipped my hand as to my being a dark mage. I hated having to come out and argue that, but felt i had to stop that discussion right there and then before too much came out. Also, remember that at that time i think 4 people were pretty much "villagers", i was desperate to prevent any more damage to my side.
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I had originally thought some cards may prevent everyone from discussing their cards (i.e. Swipe!) but the advantage of planning far outweighs the threat of losing your card. Revealing cards before their use will be prohibited and I was not clear on what use meant. Had a situation where theohall played the Told Ya SO! card and then announced it but the card was not used because he had not reached the N-1 that used the card. So in essence he de-activated it when he talked about it. Luckily it didn't come into play.Newcastle wrote:In terms of teh cards revealing Stessier:
1. It woudl reveal to all who had what.
2. The wolves would HAVE to come clean about their cards regardless. If they didnt they'd be viewed w/ suspicion
3. That would take the choice of how to use those cards out of the wolves hands and into the villagers. What would be the point of the cards then if they couldnt play them?
3b - if they lied about having a card and someone got them later on, they'd be hosed.
It really forced the card playing out of the wolf's hands.
4. Also it would take the personal villager choice of how to play the cards out fo their hands and into a few "trusted" who'd be calling the shots. There was a game a few years ago, where it just turned into a system and players playing really stopped.
I think it's imperative that in the future public coordination of the cards doesnt happen. Maybe querying for advice is ok....but not letting all the villagers reveal their cards.
I am pretty sure that my arguing against revealing the cards tipped my hand as to my being a dark mage. I hated having to come out and argue that, but felt i had to stop that discussion right there and then before too much came out. Also, remember that at that time i think 4 people were pretty much "villagers", i was desperate to prevent any more damage to my side.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
Two other important bits of total blind luck:
Day 4 I got the Swipe card and snagged Kaboom from bb2112. I was deathly afraid of him being shielded constantly. When I took KaBoom from him and played it, I knew I could finally eliminate a proven villager. That was big.
The other one was the Extra Vote on the last day. I was the third player to get Extra Vote (2 use card), but thanks to the KaBoom it didn't get used a final time and that was the final bit of good luck to the wolves.
Day 4 I got the Swipe card and snagged Kaboom from bb2112. I was deathly afraid of him being shielded constantly. When I took KaBoom from him and played it, I knew I could finally eliminate a proven villager. That was big.
The other one was the Extra Vote on the last day. I was the third player to get Extra Vote (2 use card), but thanks to the KaBoom it didn't get used a final time and that was the final bit of good luck to the wolves.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
Our side needed a ton of breaks to even have a shot. The card scans giving the village what was essentially a block of 4 on day 1 would have been an insurmountable obstacle if Bubbles had not been forced out. The block of "knowns" would have gotten big enough to lock in the win much to quickly with a living Seer. Pair that with hitting Q with the death card and triggercut getting the extra vote card at the end. Basically everything fell into line for us and it was still a narrow narrow win.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
Triggercut, well done. I really did not suspect you. You were on the wolf votes early and tended to make a lot of sense in your posts. You did a great job.
And RMC was not a wolf.
And RMC was not a wolf.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
Four minutes.
Four stinkin' minutes.
Here, look:
There was a very interesting confluence of events on Day 2. Unfortunately, I read the tea leaves incorrectly and cost the village an extra day/miss. So, for the second game in a row, the lion's share of the village's loss rests squarely on my shoulders.
Here's the sequence:
- Day 2 dawns.
- I draw the Shield card.
- Deadline is announced.
- redrun informs us that he has played Swipe on Newcastle, but Newcastle had no card to be swiped.
So, now I have to choose where I should play the Shield card.
I think it was very clear from my Day 1 observations that I already believed Newcastle to be evil and redrun to be good. However, as the Day progressed, there was still the outside chance that Newcastle had played a card beneficial to the village. There was a (slight) possibility that he could have played the Seance card on Bubbles or the Rez card on Chaos and was honestly too skittish to say it out loud. (It's pretty clear what I thought of that particularly sketchy argument at the time, but I couldn't completely discount it at the time).
Here was the problem. I PMed Lassr to ask about the mechanics of the Shield card. Unfortunately, cards all go poof immediately upon a lynch. So, I had to make a decision on where to place the Shield card before I knew the results of the lynch that day. That meant that there was still some (minor) mystery about Newcastle. If he would have come back good, then Shielding redrun would have been a wasted card.
That left me with deciding between Shielding myself or bb2112.
Looking at the game, I surmised (incorrectly) that bb was somewhat "more trusted" than I was (in the eyes of both wolves and villagers), due to his claim of the Told Ya So card on Day 1. Still, I was holding on to the Shield card as long as possible to see what might develop. I knew that the Death card required a vote on the player to be killed, so I was holding the card to play on the first one of us (bb or myself) to get a vote.
Then, my hand was forced. When trig put his vote on Newcastle, that put Newcastle at n-2 and started the time bomb clock on the Shield card. With the existence of the Extra Vote card, I knew that I would lose the Shield card completely if one more person voted Newcastle and the Extra Vote card had been played.
I finally came to the decision to play the card on bb before the card vanished.
Then, four measly little minutes later, Newcastle put a vote on me!
Had I held the PM just five minutes longer, I would have Shielded myself, by the very nature of Newcastle placing a vote on me.
I was still holding out hope that the Dark Mages would still go after bb in the night, but I knew that was wishful thinking once Newcastle came back evil, thus cementing redrun as the "most" trusted villager on the board that night.
My sincere apologies to my fellow villagers.
Four stinkin' minutes.
Here, look:
Qantaga wrote:Shield Card
Sent: Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:43 pm
From: Qantaga
To: Lassr
Please play Shield card on bb2112.
Newcastle wrote:Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Day 2
by Newcastle » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:47 pm
qantaga
...
There was a very interesting confluence of events on Day 2. Unfortunately, I read the tea leaves incorrectly and cost the village an extra day/miss. So, for the second game in a row, the lion's share of the village's loss rests squarely on my shoulders.
Here's the sequence:
- Day 2 dawns.
- I draw the Shield card.
- Deadline is announced.
- redrun informs us that he has played Swipe on Newcastle, but Newcastle had no card to be swiped.
So, now I have to choose where I should play the Shield card.
I think it was very clear from my Day 1 observations that I already believed Newcastle to be evil and redrun to be good. However, as the Day progressed, there was still the outside chance that Newcastle had played a card beneficial to the village. There was a (slight) possibility that he could have played the Seance card on Bubbles or the Rez card on Chaos and was honestly too skittish to say it out loud. (It's pretty clear what I thought of that particularly sketchy argument at the time, but I couldn't completely discount it at the time).
Here was the problem. I PMed Lassr to ask about the mechanics of the Shield card. Unfortunately, cards all go poof immediately upon a lynch. So, I had to make a decision on where to place the Shield card before I knew the results of the lynch that day. That meant that there was still some (minor) mystery about Newcastle. If he would have come back good, then Shielding redrun would have been a wasted card.
That left me with deciding between Shielding myself or bb2112.
Looking at the game, I surmised (incorrectly) that bb was somewhat "more trusted" than I was (in the eyes of both wolves and villagers), due to his claim of the Told Ya So card on Day 1. Still, I was holding on to the Shield card as long as possible to see what might develop. I knew that the Death card required a vote on the player to be killed, so I was holding the card to play on the first one of us (bb or myself) to get a vote.
Then, my hand was forced. When trig put his vote on Newcastle, that put Newcastle at n-2 and started the time bomb clock on the Shield card. With the existence of the Extra Vote card, I knew that I would lose the Shield card completely if one more person voted Newcastle and the Extra Vote card had been played.
I finally came to the decision to play the card on bb before the card vanished.
Then, four measly little minutes later, Newcastle put a vote on me!
Had I held the PM just five minutes longer, I would have Shielded myself, by the very nature of Newcastle placing a vote on me.
I was still holding out hope that the Dark Mages would still go after bb in the night, but I knew that was wishful thinking once Newcastle came back evil, thus cementing redrun as the "most" trusted villager on the board that night.
My sincere apologies to my fellow villagers.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
Congratulations Dark Mages.
Very nicely played.
Thanks to Lassr for hosting and for a very interesting game. I enjoyed the format a lot. I do agree that tweaks are in order, but it was a very intriguing format and a nice first run.
Very nicely played.
Thanks to Lassr for hosting and for a very interesting game. I enjoyed the format a lot. I do agree that tweaks are in order, but it was a very intriguing format and a nice first run.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
Nice work, congrats!
When I wrote up my threat matrix. I wrote trig first, because he was my instinctual prime suspect. I also decided if a train couldn't be started on theo who had a mountain of looking evil evidence, a train certainly wasn't going anywhere on trig, which is why I said he'd cruise... all he had to do was continue the mother theresa act.
Perhaps this will be an object lesson to folks who so strongly believe that consistent daily good deeds somehow translates to innocence.
When I wrote up my threat matrix. I wrote trig first, because he was my instinctual prime suspect. I also decided if a train couldn't be started on theo who had a mountain of looking evil evidence, a train certainly wasn't going anywhere on trig, which is why I said he'd cruise... all he had to do was continue the mother theresa act.
Perhaps this will be an object lesson to folks who so strongly believe that consistent daily good deeds somehow translates to innocence.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
I found your education and concern on the topic a bit insincere, but by that point I was just waiting to be lynched. All that concern about things that meant nothing at all... couldn't help but wonder...triggercut wrote:Two other important bits of total blind luck:
Day 4 I got the Swipe card and snagged Kaboom from bb2112. I was deathly afraid of him being shielded constantly. When I took KaBoom from him and played it, I knew I could finally eliminate a proven villager. That was big.
The other one was the Extra Vote on the last day. I was the third player to get Extra Vote (2 use card), but thanks to the KaBoom it didn't get used a final time and that was the final bit of good luck to the wolves.
I had extra vote as well. I did not use it on kaboom day... wonder if I should have. Dunno if a fizzle still burns a use or not. /shrug.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
Wow - well done trig.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
More luck than anything I did, to be honest. If I did one thing correctly in the entire game, it was to sniff out that Newcastle was noose-bound on Day 2, and that Remus was similarly doomed on Day 3. While we engaged in some discussion about whether or not each of them was going down on their respective days, we did all that while here in the game thread I was constantly firing away or at least indifferently keeping my vote fairly resolute.El Guapo wrote:Wow - well done trig.
Q--you didn't cost the village the win. Stuff happens. If you'd have played the Shield card on, say, RMC or Remus, or Newcastle, I'd give you a giggle, but you had a choice of two people to play it on, and you flipped the coin and chose one. And, as you note...4 freaking minutes. Had things conspired differently, you'd have made the absolute (but not obvious) self-protection.
More dumb luck by me: on day 4 when I swiped that Kaboom from bb2112, my thinking was largely dictated by being petrified of Mr Bubbles being contacted. At least, I figured, if someone gets Talk To The Dead I need to have the Hail Mary of trying to cast doubt on that player. With bb, there was no way to cast any reasonable doubt...so I figured I'd swipe his card in case he had some sort of Bubbles contact thing. And now here's how stupid I am. I told Lassr I wanted to put it into play immediately upon receipt. NOT because I wanted to use that Kaboom card; rather it was because I was afraid someone would have View Cards, and would see me sitting there with bb's card in my hand. Awkward! So I played it, not knowing or realizing what Kaboom did at all and sort of mixing it up in my mind with Nuke Em From Orbit. Then I read it, realized I'd just inadvertently and unknowingly knocked down any potential shielding...and smiled my little wizardry Grinch grin.
If you want to give credit to a wolf, toss it at Newcastle. He had a terrible time of it on Day 2. Not only was the opposition side harassing him, but so was his own teammate--me. He had all that to deal with and I think our tetchy give-and-take helped make me look village-y in the bigger picture.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
I agree with Trig, the village loss was not on Q at all. You had to make a decision because voting was getting down to the wire. It was just dumb luck that it all went down the way it did at the end of day 2.
And Trig, you got put in my trusted pile because you went after NC so hard. Then you went after Remus. They were good plays. I had a tough time reconciling a wolf working to nail his 2 partners so early in the game and letting himself hang out there. The biggest doubt was when you were going after RMC on day 4, but then so was Stess. Of the two of you, in my mind you built a lot more credibility, while Stess came late to NC and was never on the RW train. And Kraegor's insistence on Theo for 4 days, what the hell! That can't be a good village play, right?
Trig, you played masterfully.
And Trig, you got put in my trusted pile because you went after NC so hard. Then you went after Remus. They were good plays. I had a tough time reconciling a wolf working to nail his 2 partners so early in the game and letting himself hang out there. The biggest doubt was when you were going after RMC on day 4, but then so was Stess. Of the two of you, in my mind you built a lot more credibility, while Stess came late to NC and was never on the RW train. And Kraegor's insistence on Theo for 4 days, what the hell! That can't be a good village play, right?
Trig, you played masterfully.
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Re: Story of the Chaos Order of the Dark Mages(WW)-Game Over
+1!bb2112 wrote:I agree with Trig, the village loss was not on Q at all.
No way this is on you. Your death only cost us half a day and I'm not sure that would have made any difference.
But at first glance, he looked soooo guilty! On a quick review, it made a lot more sense. At least I came around in the end.The biggest doubt was when you were going after RMC on day 4, but then so was Stess.
One question I have - was the "triggercur" comment gamesmanship or actual hurt feelings? I really thought my use of it was kind of amusing. I could see how it would be irritating, but didn't see it as anything more than fun within the game.
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