Puerto Rico, Game 03: Moët Margarita - The Game is Afoot!

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:31 pm

I will produce at most 1 corn, 3 sugar, 2 coffee and 1 VP, subject to supply limitations.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:32 pm

NickAragua wrote:I will produce at most 1 corn, 3 sugar, 2 coffee and 1 VP, subject to supply limitations.

You people and your Chapel. Don't use up all my VP's.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:42 pm

Moliere wrote:
NickAragua wrote:I will produce at most 1 corn, 3 sugar, 2 coffee and 1 VP, subject to supply limitations.
You people and your Chapel. Don't use up all my VP's.

It's not our fault that you are godless.

My production capacity is 3 tobacco, 2 sugar, 1 indigo, 1 corn, and 1 VP.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:47 pm

4 corn - 2 indigo and 3 tobbacco

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:49 pm

Coffee crates in supply: 08
Tobacco crates in supply: 05
Sugar crates in supply: 11
Indigo crates in supply: 10
Corn crates in supply: 3

Moliere - 2 coffee, 1 sugar, and 3 indigo.

Coffee crates in supply: 06
Tobacco crates in supply: 05
Sugar crates in supply: 10
Indigo crates in supply: 7
Corn crates in supply: 3

Me: 3 tobacco, 2 sugar, 1 indigo, 1 corn, and 1 VP.

Coffee crates in supply: 06
Tobacco crates in supply: 02
Sugar crates in supply: 8
Indigo crates in supply: 6
Corn crates in supply: 2

Remus: 4 indigo, 2 corn, 1 sugar, and so +3 doubloons from specialty factory.

Coffee crates in supply: 06
Tobacco crates in supply: 02
Sugar crates in supply: 7
Indigo crates in supply: 2
Corn crates in supply: 0

NickAragua: 3 sugar, 2 coffee and 1 VP (1 corn capacity, but corn is already out by his turn)

Coffee crates in supply: 4
Tobacco crates in supply: 02
Sugar crates in supply: 4
Indigo crates in supply: 2
Corn crates in supply: 0

Vorret: 2 tobacco (3 capacity, but only 2 crates left), 2 indigo, 0 corn (no crates)

Coffee crates in supply: 4
Tobacco crates in supply: 0
Sugar crates in supply: 4
Indigo crates in supply: 0
Corn crates in supply: 0

Moliere gets to choose between coffee and sugar for his privilege crate. He has elected coffee, so the final crate total is:

Coffee crates in supply: 3
Tobacco crates in supply: 0
Sugar crates in supply: 4
Indigo crates in supply: 0
Corn crates in supply: 0

Unless I messed something up, which is probable.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:59 pm

So for my own benefit, the current stockpiles for people are:

Morliere: 3 coffee, 1 sugar, and 3 indigo.
Me: 6 tobacco, 2 sugar, 2 indigo, 1 corn
Remus: 4 indigo, 2 corn, 1 sugar,
Nick: 3 sugar, 3 coffee
Vorret: 3 tobacco, 2 indigo

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:05 pm

El Guapo wrote:So for my own benefit, the current stockpiles for people are:

Morliere: 2 coffee, 1 sugar, and 3 indigo.
Me: 6 tobacco, 2 sugar, 2 indigo, 1 corn
Remus: 4 indigo, 2 corn, 1 sugar,
Nick: 3 sugar, 3 coffee
Vorret: 3 tobacco, 2 indigo

I see that is to your benefit since you took my coffee privilege away. I should have 3.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:06 pm

Moliere wrote:
El Guapo wrote:So for my own benefit, the current stockpiles for people are:

Morliere: 3 coffee, 1 sugar, and 3 indigo.
Me: 6 tobacco, 2 sugar, 2 indigo, 1 corn
Remus: 4 indigo, 2 corn, 1 sugar,
Nick: 3 sugar, 3 coffee
Vorret: 3 tobacco, 2 indigo
I see that is to your benefit since you took my coffee privilege away. I should have 3.

I don't know what you are talking about.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:06 pm

O captain, my captain.

I will load 6 tobacco crates onto boat #7, for 8 VP (6 + privilege + harbor). Boat #7 has one spot remaining. I will also use my royal supplier to ship 1 sugar and 1 indigo for 2 VP (my understanding being that the harbor bonus does not apply to royal supplier shipments).

Remus can then choose between loading 4 indigo or 1 sugar onto boat #6, or 1 corn onto boat #8. I am sure that this decision will keep him up at night.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:07 pm

Buying the harbor was a mistake, incidentally. I should've just bought a royal supplier then and used the money to buy the statue later.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:14 pm

El Guapo wrote:O captain, my captain.

I will load 6 tobacco crates onto boat #7, for 8 VP (6 + privilege + harbor). Boat #7 has one spot remaining. I will also use my royal supplier to ship 1 sugar and 1 indigo for 2 VP (my understanding being that the harbor bonus does not apply to royal supplier shipments).

Remus can then choose between loading 4 indigo or 1 sugar onto boat #6, or 1 corn onto boat #8. I am sure that this decision will keep him up at night.

We were told there are fewer than 10 VP's left. Two were used during Craftsman and you just used 10 more here. Does that mean the game is over?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:16 pm

Remus West wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Does running out of chits during the captain phase immediately end the accumulation of VP? Suppose there are 5 VP chits left. Some jerk (let's call him ereiloM) picks Captain and ships goods for 5 VPs. The next player (who happens to be ruggedly handsome) has goods to ship and there's an empty boat. Does he get VPs that phase, or can he not get VPs during the final captain phase because the supply of VP chits ran out during the first player's shipment?
VPs get tallied on paper if the chits run out. Paper tallied chits count exactly the same as actual chits.

Don't worry, you get IOUs this phase.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:19 pm

Moliere wrote:We were told there are fewer than 10 VP's left. Two were used during Craftsman and you just used 10 more here. Does that mean the game is over?

I swore I just read "more than 40"

1) VPs are still doled out virtually even after the last has claimed.
2) "The game ends at the end of the round, in which at least one of the following
conditions is satisfied"

So there is still a chance to gain victory points through other means if they are available.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:33 pm

LordMortis wrote:through other means if they are available.

Like kidnapping El Guapo's nobles?

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:34 pm

Moliere wrote:
LordMortis wrote:through other means if they are available.
Like kidnapping El Guapo's nobles?

It's too bad that the fascist house rules prohibit the villa and the jeweler being in the same game. I could live with getting +9 doubloons every craftsman phase.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:09 pm

El Guapo wrote:O captain, my captain.

I will load 6 tobacco crates onto boat #7, for 8 VP (6 + privilege + harbor). Boat #7 has one spot remaining. I will also use my royal supplier to ship 1 sugar and 1 indigo for 2 VP (my understanding being that the harbor bonus does not apply to royal supplier shipments).

Remus can then choose between loading 4 indigo or 1 sugar onto boat #6, or 1 corn onto boat #8. I am sure that this decision will keep him up at night.

Is that all you wish to use the Royal Supplier for? It is only usable before your first shipping turn each Captain phase.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:33 pm

It is, yes. Bear in mind that I can only ship 1 of each product (so can't ship 2 sugar).

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:26 pm

El Guapo wrote:It is, yes. Bear in mind that I can only ship 1 of each product (so can't ship 2 sugar).

You're allowed to ship up to N goods via Royal Supplier (N <= nobles.count()), as long as each crate is of a different kind. But yeah-- I see where you're coming from.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:42 pm

El Guapo wrote:Unless I messed something up, which is probable.

This (as adjusted for Moliere) is all correct.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:55 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
El Guapo wrote:It is, yes. Bear in mind that I can only ship 1 of each product (so can't ship 2 sugar).
You're allowed to ship up to N goods via Royal Supplier (N <= nobles.count()), as long as each crate is of a different kind. But yeah-- I see where you're coming from.

Yep. Noticed that as well after I had posted and had a chance to double check where folks were at.

I will go ahead and use the Royal Supplier to send off a Corn and a Sugar. I will then load my 4 Indigo onto the remaining boat #6 leaving 2 slots available there.
6 VP total.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:10 pm

With 3 coffee and 3 sugar, poor Nick has no way to ship. Vorret has a choice to make: 1 tobacco or 2 indigo.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:50 am

I should point out, BTW, that we have run out of VP counters during this Captain phase, so this 15th round is the final one. After we finish Captain, Remus will choose his role & then Nick will choose his role, and then we will calc final scores. So this is the mad dash for VPs!

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 8:19 am

2 indigo !

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:21 am

Good! And by shutting Moliere out of shipping indigo, you've ensured that the rest of Captain is mechanical. So here's how it plays out:

Stockpiles:

Code: Select all

El: 0 coffee, 6 tobacco, 2 sugar, 2 indigo, 1 corn
Re: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 4 indigo, 2 corn
Ni: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 3 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Vo: 0 coffee, 3 tobacco, 0 sugar, 2 indigo, 0 corn
Mo: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 3 indigo, 0 corn

Craftsman:
El Guapo: +1 Captain +2 RS sugar&indigo +6 tobacco +1 Harbor (Total: +10 VP)

Code: Select all

El: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 1 indigo, 1 corn
Re: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 4 indigo, 2 corn
Ni: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 3 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Vo: 0 coffee, 3 tobacco, 0 sugar, 2 indigo, 0 corn
Mo: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 3 indigo, 0 corn

Remus West: +2 RS sugar&corn +4 indigo (Total: +6 VP)

Code: Select all

El: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 1 indigo, 1 corn
Re: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 0 sugar, 0 indigo, 1 corn
Ni: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 3 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Vo: 0 coffee, 3 tobacco, 0 sugar, 2 indigo, 0 corn
Mo: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 3 indigo, 0 corn

Nick: No place for his coffee. No place for his sugar.
Vorret: +2 indigo. Ship #6 (indigo) is now full. (Total: + 2 VP)

Code: Select all

El: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 1 indigo, 1 corn
Re: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 0 sugar, 0 indigo, 1 corn
Ni: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 3 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Vo: 0 coffee, 3 tobacco, 0 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Mo: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 3 indigo, 0 corn

Moliere: +3 indigo (could've been coffee) Wharf +1 Harbor (Total: +4 VP)

Code: Select all

El: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 1 indigo, 1 corn
Re: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 0 sugar, 0 indigo, 1 corn
Ni: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 3 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Vo: 0 coffee, 3 tobacco, 0 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Mo: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn

El Guapo: +1 corn +1 Harbor. Ship #8 (corn) is now full. (Total: +2 VP)

Code: Select all

El: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 1 indigo, 0 corn
Re: 0 coffee, 0 tobacco, 0 sugar, 0 indigo, 1 corn
Ni: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 3 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Vo: 0 coffee, 3 tobacco, 0 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn
Mo: 3 coffee, 0 tobacco, 1 sugar, 0 indigo, 0 corn

Remus: No place to ship his corn. Keeps it.
Nick: No place to ship. Keeps 1 coffee or 1 sugar; wastes rest.
Vorret: +1 tobacco. Ship #7 (tobacco) is now full. Keeps 1 tobacco; wastes 1. (Total: +1 VP)
Moliere: Keeps 1 sugar or 1 tobacco; wastes rest.
El Guapo: Keeps 1 sugar and 1 indigo (Storehouse).

Code: Select all

El: 1 sugar, 1 indigo
Re: 1 corn
Ni: 1 coffee|sugar
Vo: 1 tobacco
Mo: 1 coffee|sugar

Upshot:
El Guapo: +12 VP
Remus West: +6 VP
NickAragua: +0 VP
Vorret: +3 VP
Moliere: +4 VP

Please let me know if I've missed or messed.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:25 am

Looks great to me!

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:02 am

Good! In that case, Remus West (via PM to me) chooses Mayor (just in time to populate Vorret's Residence!).

Let's take it as written that all open spots on all boards are now filled, and some folks have extra colonists. Most notably (ISWIDT), Remus has +1 Noble (VP).

Action on NickAragua to finish the game:

Builder +1 Vo
Captain El
Craftsman +1 Mo
Mayor Re
Prospector +1
Prospector
Settler
Trader

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:09 am

So at this point the way that the game could be impacted by the final choice is either the tie-breaker (if two or more players are tied in VP points, the tie-breaker is which player has the most doubloons + goods on hand) or via the operation of manned special buildings.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:11 am

El Guapo: I'll PM you.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:23 am

There's no tie. After that last Captain round El Guapo is going to win.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:24 am

We'll see ...

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:25 am

From the Captain phase, I will keep the coffee.

For my turn, I will pick the 'trader' phase, selling coffee for 6 (4 + 1 privilege +1 small market).

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:26 am

Moliere wrote:There's no tie. After that last Captain round El Guapo is going to win.

I'm really not so sure, though I'm glad I got that in to offset at least one of your monster captain rounds. I'd be much better off if I hadn't wasted money on the Harbor and instead picked up a royal garden, but what can you do.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:27 am

NickAragua wrote:From the Captain phase, I will keep the coffee.
For my turn, I will pick the 'trader' phase, selling coffee for 6 (4 + 1 privilege +1 small market).

And that, turn 5 of round 15, ends the game!

Results in a few seconds....

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:27 am

Moliere wrote:There's no tie. After that last Captain round El Guapo is going to win.

You should also always compete to increase your own standings. Otherwise you get games where people play kingmaker and while it may be a good game theory deterrent it's not really any fun unless you a playing a balance game. Ideally games like this would be set up in multigame tournaments where your standing is tracked.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:30 am

And the Emperor of the Fertile Island of Puerto Rico is....
El Guapo

Celebrate with a Moët Margarita!

Player	VP Counters	Small Buildings	Large Bldg Bonuses	Nobles	Total
Moliere	33	19	0	0	52
El Guapo	37	18	0	9	64
Remus West	34	16	8	4	62
NickAragua	20	23	6	3	52
Vorret	21	11	7	4	43

The spreadsheet has two tabs at the bottom: Actions and Victory Points.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:31 am

NickAragua wrote:From the Captain phase, I will keep the coffee.

For my turn, I will pick the 'trader' phase, selling coffee for 6 (4 + 1 privilege +1 small market).

Vorret can choose to sell tobacco for 4 doubloons.

If Moliere saved sugar then he can sell it.

Then I would sell sugar (if Moliere hasn't) for 4, or indigo (if he has) for 3 doubloons.

Remus has corn but even if there's a spot left in the trade house it doesn't matter because it would yield 0 doubloons.

I'm guessing that whether Moliere saved coffee or sugar probably won't matter (except for unlikely tie-breaker scenarios). Not sure what to do it if does - maybe flip a coin.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:33 am

LordMortis wrote:Ideally games like this would be set up in multigame tournaments where your standing is tracked.

That would be ideal since I learned a few things playing for the first time. Understanding that I am buying a land office and not an office is one example.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:35 am

El Guapo wrote:
NickAragua wrote:From the Captain phase, I will keep the coffee.
For my turn, I will pick the 'trader' phase, selling coffee for 6 (4 + 1 privilege +1 small market).
Vorret can choose to sell tobacco for 4 doubloons.
If Moliere saved sugar then he can sell it.
Then I would sell sugar (if Moliere hasn't) for 4, or indigo (if he has) for 3 doubloons.
Remus has corn but even if there's a spot left in the trade house it doesn't matter because it would yield 0 doubloons.
I'm guessing that whether Moliere saved coffee or sugar probably won't matter (except for unlikely tie-breaker scenarios). Not sure what to do it if does - maybe flip a coin.

Moot! Moot, I say!

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:36 am

Moliere wrote:
LordMortis wrote:Ideally games like this would be set up in multigame tournaments where your standing is tracked.
That would be ideal since I learned a few things playing for the first time. Understanding that I am buying a land office and not an office is one example.

That's what learning curves are for.

In your learning game you get to see things like timing of craftsmanning is muy muy muy importante.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:36 am

Wooooo!!!! I continue my 100% success ratio in Puerto Rico games.

I gotta say - the storehouse was *vastly* more useful than I was expecting it to be. I should've picked that thing up awhile ago.