Battle of the Presidents - Second Term

[Vorret]

Shit.
I really misjudged Scoop all game

[Moliere]

Ask yourself, "Am I special?" If the answers is yes have you sent the moderator your night order?

[RevHempus71]

Shit.
I really misjudged Scoop all game

I didn't.

[Vorret]

Shit.
I really misjudged Scoop all game

I didn't.

Yeah... but you have to admit my analysis did make some sense. It was still a complete guess though...
One thing I'm wondering is why Scoop didn't kill RMC instead of CR... now they have to guess who he protected VS simply killing CR overnight...

It's unlikely but they could theorically fail at killing a Rep tonight

[RevHempus71]

Shit.
I really misjudged Scoop all game

I didn't.

Yeah... but you have to admit my analysis did make some sense. It was still a complete guess though...
One thing I'm wondering is why Scoop didn't kill RMC instead of CR... now they have to guess who he protected VS simply killing CR overnight...

It's unlikely but they could theorically fail at killing a Rep tonight

[RevHempus71]

Yeah, I think they missed that or have a plan for this. Seems too risky tho.
I like to gamble...

[bb2112]

Come on Vorret, get your kill order in. You and RMC are the only specials left and he said he already placed his order.

[Vorret]

So who did you try to kill BB?
RMC or Rev?

[Moliere]

It's morning and the remaining committee members drag themselves into the meeting room. RMC and RevHempus71 stop short as their minds can barely grasp what they're seeing. Scoop20906 and bb2112 are playing gin rummy using Vorret's corpse as a table. Scoop20906 glances over, "Hey, what's up guys! Long time no see."


Received votes:
RevHempus71 -
RMC -
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -

Since three votes are required for a majority should we go straight into Night 4 and see if RMC can protect against the Democrats?

[Remus West]

It's morning and the remaining committee members drag themselves into the meeting room. RMC and RevHempus71 stop short as their minds can barely grasp what they're seeing. Scoop20906 and bb2112 are playing gin rummy using Vorret's corpse as a table. Scoop20906 glances over, "Hey, what's up guys! Long time no see."


Received votes:
RevHempus71 -
RMC -
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -

Since three votes are required for a majority should we go straight into Night 4 and see if RMC can protect against the Democrats?

If sides are equal its already over is it not?

[RMC]

It's morning and the remaining committee members drag themselves into the meeting room. RMC and RevHempus71 stop short as their minds can barely grasp what they're seeing. Scoop20906 and bb2112 are playing gin rummy using Vorret's corpse as a table. Scoop20906 glances over, "Hey, what's up guys! Long time no see."


Received votes:
RevHempus71 -
RMC -
bb2112 -
Scoop20906 -

Since three votes are required for a majority should we go straight into Night 4 and see if RMC can protect against the Democrats?

If sides are equal its already over is it not?

Yeah we are screwed and lost.

They got lucky and converted our guy and then let Purge play us the fool. <sigh>

[Moliere]

Thanks everyone for playing. I appreciate that people played into the political theme to make it more interesting. Some of my observations as moderator:

Newcastle sends me a PM on Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:58 am saying Teddy is overpowered and gives the Republicans too much of an advantage.
Barely 1 hour later on Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:00 am RMC sends me a PM to shoot Newcastle.

On Day 1 the Democrats were talking about who should be converted. Purge put in a placeholder to convert Chaosraven if he was voted off. Later he commented "I can't help but think CR is someone we want converted." That would have given the Democrats Reagan. Scoop20906 changed his mind and instead they got bb2112, who happened to be Lincoln!

Republican bad luck on Night 1: Teddy protects purge who is pretending to be Lincoln when he's actually Clinton. Unfortunately, his other two night protections (himself and RevHempus71) are never targeted by the Democrats.
More Republican bad luck on Night 1: Reagan scans Isgrimnur right before the Democrats kill him.

When purge was under the gun to prove his claim as Lincoln I was surprised bb2112 didn't rez one of the dead Republicans. This would have made purge a proven Republican for the rest of the game. The Democrats could then easily kill the rezzed Republican that night.

Scoop20906's role was Andrew Jackson. And yet throughout the game he kept referring to Hamilton. Not only was Alexander Hamilton a bad shot, but he was never a President.

[Vorret]

Holy shit!

That's intense Purge wasn't converted.
Holy crap.... Well sorry about going for Scoop instead of BB

[Vorret]

Oh and thanks for running the game Moliere ... one of the most entertaing OO game I've part part of so far!

[bb2112]

The thing is they didn't convert me until after I started going after Scoop and had already voted Purge. The Dems were in deep shit right from the start. Then they got lucky and converted Lincoln. I felt like I really accomplished something figuring out Scoop, and since he was the splodie, I decided to not back off.

Later Purge screwed up and said he was Linclon and meant to say he was the seer Reagon.

Crazy game that looked nearly impossible for Republicans when it started, but was a hell of a lot closer than it should have been. I think the Republicans played their asses off to only have one miss and get it as close as they did.

Nice job modding Moliere. I also liked your write ups. Thanks for running.

[Vorret]

The thing is they didn't convert me until after I started going after Scoop and had already voted Purge. The Dems were in deep shit right from the start. Then they got lucky and converted Lincoln. I felt like I really accomplished something figuring out Scoop, and since he was the splodie, I decided to not back off.

Later Purge screwed up and said he was Linclon and meant to say he was the seer Reagon.

Crazy game that looked nearly impossible for Republicans when it started, but was a hell of a lot closer than it should have been. I think the Republicans played their asses off to only have one miss and get it as close as they did.

Nice job modding Moliere. I also liked your write ups. Thanks for running.

I have to admit the way you played with Scoop really messed me up, I was sooooo sure hewasn't going to blow up!

Good job !

[bb2112]

When purge was under the gun to prove his claim as Lincoln I was surprised bb2112 didn't rez one of the dead Republicans. This would have made purge a proven Republican for the rest of the game. The Democrats could then easily kill the rezzed Republican that night

Except according to the rules if Linclon used his power he will be outed to the village. So all it would have done is out me as Lincoln and proved Purge a Dem. I looked at that at one point.

[El Guapo]

Wow, that was some epically terrible luck for the Republicans.

Thanks for modding Morliere! You did a much better job than Moliere would have done.

[El Guapo]

I'm not going to exploded.

[Moliere]

When purge was under the gun to prove his claim as Lincoln I was surprised bb2112 didn't rez one of the dead Republicans. This would have made purge a proven Republican for the rest of the game. The Democrats could then easily kill the rezzed Republican that night

Except according to the rules if Linclon used his power he will be outed to the village. So all it would have done is out me as Lincoln and proved Purge a Dem. I looked at that at one point.

You're right. I'm forgetting my own rules.

[El Guapo]

When purge was under the gun to prove his claim as Lincoln I was surprised bb2112 didn't rez one of the dead Republicans. This would have made purge a proven Republican for the rest of the game. The Democrats could then easily kill the rezzed Republican that night

Except according to the rules if Linclon used his power he will be outed to the village. So all it would have done is out me as Lincoln and proved Purge a Dem. I looked at that at one point.

Which is exactly why you should have done it.

[bb2112]

Thanks Vorret. That was as much about Scoop and his play as it was mine.

RMC, you were right about me at the end, but you didn't get it right overall.

We were very worried we were going to hit your protection target so we kept going off reservation with our kills. We talked about having Scoop spoof Reagan but never really pulled the trigger. Then CR came out of the woodwork. That last day we had it locked as long as I wasn't the day kill. You guys had me worried at one point enough that I put in an order to Rez Purge if I was to get the axe. Fortunately, RMC suggested going after Scoop, something I couldn't do myself. It would have been a sound play if I wasnt a converted Lincoln with a Rez in my pocket.

[Moliere]

When purge was under the gun to prove his claim as Lincoln I was surprised bb2112 didn't rez one of the dead Republicans. This would have made purge a proven Republican for the rest of the game. The Democrats could then easily kill the rezzed Republican that night

Except according to the rules if Linclon used his power he will be outed to the village. So all it would have done is out me as Lincoln and proved Purge a Dem. I looked at that at one point.

Which is exactly why you should have done it.

It would have made bb2112 a "proven" Republican for the rest of the game. If purge was Jackson that would have been awesome. The committee kills purge and loses one of their own in the process and for the rest of the game everyone thinks bb2112 is a harmless Republican.

[Remus West]

Except the group did not know the conversion was already off the table so if bb2112 got outed they may have killed him based off the idea he was a likely convert target. Would have made an interesting debate though.

[El Guapo]

I do think, incidentally, that a conversion is too powerful if the village does not receive notice that it has been used.

[bb2112]

When purge was under the gun to prove his claim as Lincoln I was surprised bb2112 didn't rez one of the dead Republicans. This would have made purge a proven Republican for the rest of the game. The Democrats could then easily kill the rezzed Republican that night

Except according to the rules if Linclon used his power he will be outed to the village. So all it would have done is out me as Lincoln and proved Purge a Dem. I looked at that at one point.

Which is exactly why you should have done it.

It would have made bb2112 a "proven" Republican for the rest of the game. If purge was Jackson that would have been awesome. The committee kills purge and loses one of their own in the process and for the rest of the game everyone thinks bb2112 is a harmless Republican.

I thought of that, but we had no idea if the conversion was used, so I would have still been a suspect. We said the same thing about Purge.

[Moliere]

I do think, incidentally, that a conversion is too powerful if the village does not receive notice that it has been used.

That takes all the fun out of it. Not knowing if the conversion is used created 90% of the debate. It creates a dilemma for the Democrats in deciding how long to wait before using it. Personally, I think it's the best part of the game.

[El Guapo]

I do think, incidentally, that a conversion is too powerful if the village does not receive notice that it has been used.

That takes all the fun out of it. Not knowing if the conversion is used created 90% of the debate. It creates a dilemma for the Democrats in deciding how long to wait before using it. Personally, I think it's the best part of the game.

You would still have a big debate over who was converted (or whether it hit the protectee or Teddy).

The problem is that not giving any notice effectively removes the village's ability to have any proven people at all (aside from Teddy). That's a huge weakness.

[Moliere]

I do think, incidentally, that a conversion is too powerful if the village does not receive notice that it has been used.

That takes all the fun out of it. Not knowing if the conversion is used created 90% of the debate. It creates a dilemma for the Democrats in deciding how long to wait before using it. Personally, I think it's the best part of the game.

You would still have a big debate over who was converted (or whether it hit the protectee or Teddy).

The problem is that not giving any notice effectively removes the village's ability to have any proven people at all (aside from Teddy). That's a huge weakness.

Knowing the conversion happened still means you have no proven people except Teddy.

[El Guapo]

I do think, incidentally, that a conversion is too powerful if the village does not receive notice that it has been used.

That takes all the fun out of it. Not knowing if the conversion is used created 90% of the debate. It creates a dilemma for the Democrats in deciding how long to wait before using it. Personally, I think it's the best part of the game.

You would still have a big debate over who was converted (or whether it hit the protectee or Teddy).

The problem is that not giving any notice effectively removes the village's ability to have any proven people at all (aside from Teddy). That's a huge weakness.

Knowing the conversion happened still means you have no proven people except Teddy.

You would have proven people after the conversion is used. You could also trust what a proven special said between the start of the game and the time that the conversion is announced.

More than that, it would give a lot more information to analyze. You could compare someone's posts before the conversion is used with their posts after the conversion is used, in the attempt to figure out who the convert was. That would create a lot of interesting analytical opportunities. By contrast, as it is now there's almost no interesting analytical opportunities for the village in connection with the conversion because there's almost no fixed, reliable information to work from.

[Moliere]

I do think, incidentally, that a conversion is too powerful if the village does not receive notice that it has been used.

That takes all the fun out of it. Not knowing if the conversion is used created 90% of the debate. It creates a dilemma for the Democrats in deciding how long to wait before using it. Personally, I think it's the best part of the game.

You would still have a big debate over who was converted (or whether it hit the protectee or Teddy).

The problem is that not giving any notice effectively removes the village's ability to have any proven people at all (aside from Teddy). That's a huge weakness.

Knowing the conversion happened still means you have no proven people except Teddy.

You would have proven people after the conversion is used. You could also trust what a proven special said between the start of the game and the time that the conversion is announced.

More than that, it would give a lot more information to analyze. You could compare someone's posts before the conversion is used with their posts after the conversion is used, in the attempt to figure out who the convert was. That would create a lot of interesting analytical opportunities. By contrast, as it is now there's almost no interesting analytical opportunities for the village in connection with the conversion because there's almost no fixed, reliable information to work from.

I will keep this in mind for the 2016 election.

[RevHempus71]

Well that was nucking futs. I had a blast....

bb2112, you bastard. You deserve it, all 3 of you. Well played.

I feel, well kinda dirty. Time for a little Toyyes, and " smoke two joints". Peace.

[bb2112]

Well that was nucking futs. I had a blast....

bb2112, you bastard. You deserve it, all 3 of you. Well played.

I feel, well kinda dirty. Time for a little Toyyes, and " smoke two joints". Peace.

Thanks Rev, I couldn't have done it with out you.

[RevHempus71]

DOH

[Chaosraven]

I think the scoop/bb interaction makes me see them as Jackson and Clinton

[bb2112]

I think the scoop/bb interaction makes me see them as Jackson and Clinton

Yeah, that made me sweat.

Although when I first went after Scoop, I was still a Republican. I didn't get converted until after I was already calling for his head.

[purge]

When purge was under the gun to prove his claim as Lincoln I was surprised bb2112 didn't rez one of the dead Republicans. This would have made purge a proven Republican for the rest of the game. The Democrats could then easily kill the rezzed Republican that night

Except according to the rules if Linclon used his power he will be outed to the village. So all it would have done is out me as Lincoln and proved Purge a Dem. I looked at that at one point.

And that was the one point I had missed (that the rez was a proven action).

[purge]

When purge was under the gun to prove his claim as Lincoln I was surprised bb2112 didn't rez one of the dead Republicans. This would have made purge a proven Republican for the rest of the game. The Democrats could then easily kill the rezzed Republican that night

Except according to the rules if Linclon used his power he will be outed to the village. So all it would have done is out me as Lincoln and proved Purge a Dem. I looked at that at one point.

Which is exactly why you should have done it.

It proves he's Lincoln.

It does not prove he is republican.

[Scoop20906]

You guys had no idea I was a Democrat. I fooled you all!!!!!

[RMC]

You guys had no idea I was a Democrat. I fooled you all!!!!!

hehe.. We all agreed you were a Dem. And I let myself be talked out of you being the explody one..