This is incorrect. The protector cannot protect back to back, but must alternate. Non-consecutive.Scoop20906 wrote:Ugh. I forgot about the protector. And since he can protect back to back RMC is effectively safe. Ok forget I said anything. Still think he is lying.
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I read that wrong too? Ugh
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Pretty much.El Guapo wrote:Given these roles, it seems like it's only really bad for the village for RMC to reveal if RMC is Robin or Azeem, right (and most especially if he's Azeem)?
And if he claims Marian and another Marian steps forward to dispute the claim, Azeem does what? Flip a coin? Meanwhile, evil will know which is which.If he's Marian, then Azeem protects her and Robin scans her tonight.
I don't think Will would ever claim Will under these rules... except for flair in betrayal when making a victory-securing move.If he's Will, then at least the village benefits from knowing who our turncoat is (Will would also be naturally reluctant to publicly identify his role, because he may hope to live on as a member of Team Evil).
The downside of imprisoning Robin is that he accumulates lore. The upside is that the lore fades away with him unless the Sheriff dies within three days. Assuming it'll be hard to find the Sheriff, I suppose evil benefits more from tossing Robin in the pokey and killing someone else.I'm also wondering whether if Robin is identified, whether the wolves would imprison him or kill him. Imprisoning him lets him keep scanning (which could be devastating if the village offs the Sheriff within two days), but also essentially offers up the chance of an extra night kill.
I'd like to hear from RMC on the question of whether self-revelation would make a difference in his case.
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In that scenario we've exposed a wolf, and we would almost certainly lynch one of them, so Azeem would know what to do come night. And honestly, Marian's powers at first blush don't seem all that amazing to me, so I would be inclined to take an exposed wolf and a coin flip on protection in exchange for exposing Marian.Grundbegriff wrote:Pretty much.El Guapo wrote:Given these roles, it seems like it's only really bad for the village for RMC to reveal if RMC is Robin or Azeem, right (and most especially if he's Azeem)?And if he claims Marian and another Marian steps forward to dispute the claim, Azeem does what? Flip a coin? Meanwhile, evil will know which is which.If he's Marian, then Azeem protects her and Robin scans her tonight.
Also, I would assume that a wolfish RMC would claim Azeem or Robin, since they are much more valuable for the wolves to expose.
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ok. Let get some movement please.
ok. Let get some movement please.
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What happened to this? Giving up on it?Scoop20906 wrote:Ok. I feel the need to point out the Remus wasn't the first to express that RMC should announce his role. If he is lying and the Sheriff why wouldn't we want to get him today before the he potentially scans and locks up Robin Hood tonight?
That's the risk we take. Also, if he is a good guy isn't it a waste of a scan to use it on him.
Yes we have lots of scans. Let's put them to good use.
I think he is lying, btw. Remember RMC is the devil.
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Meh. I'm waiting to hear from RMC.
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I think we need to get more votes on RMC if we want to hear from RMC. I think he's at n-3 currently?Remus West wrote:Meh. I'm waiting to hear from RMC.
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Get him up to N-1. Maybe I will finish him off.
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I think this is current.Isgrimnur wrote:Moliere (1) - Remus West
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Him posting at all would be a start.
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I imagine that he's posting a lot, just not in this forum.Remus West wrote:Him posting at all would be a start.
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That makes his protest seem like one of those "I'm evil and targeted; I guess I should say something in my defense" splutterances.
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"That" = RMC's silence?Grundbegriff wrote:That makes his protest seem like one of those "I'm evil and targeted; I guess I should say something in my defense" splutterances.
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I want to hear from RMC.
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If the only way to get him talking is the vote..
Why are you not voting?
That being said, RMC
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Why are you not voting?
That being said, RMC
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I did.
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Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
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I don't get that. Why waste a scan and then announce it tomorrow. Just announce it now and be done.RMC wrote:Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
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Plus, wouldn't this necessarily involve *another* special revealing themselves? Like, if RMC were Marian, he could be proven by being scanned by Robin, but would only be proven to the village if Robin stepped forward and announced it. But obviously that seems unwise.bb2112 wrote:I don't get that. Why waste a scan and then announce it tomorrow. Just announce it now and be done.RMC wrote:Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
Also, Marian seems to be the only good role that could be proven by being scanned by a good special. Robin can verify "not evil" (again exposing himself), but that's it.
Unless RMC is counting on the Sheriff throwing him/her in prison?
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Or trying to throw me in prison.El Guapo wrote:Plus, wouldn't this necessarily involve *another* special revealing themselves? Like, if RMC were Marian, he could be proven by being scanned by Robin, but would only be proven to the village if Robin stepped forward and announced it. But obviously that seems unwise.bb2112 wrote:I don't get that. Why waste a scan and then announce it tomorrow. Just announce it now and be done.RMC wrote:Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
Also, Marian seems to be the only good role that could be proven by being scanned by a good special. Robin can verify "not evil" (again exposing himself), but that's it.
Unless RMC is counting on the Sheriff throwing him/her in prison?
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If thats all you have I am going to be voting for you. I'll wait for an official vote count as I don't want to accidentally off you but vague claims and spending more of our resources on you just don't do it for me. Make your claim openly or go to the noose.RMC wrote:Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
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I'm curious why the hurry? We have a claim - if he dies tonight, we know he was on our side. If he's alive in the morning, we discuss the noose then. This has always been our MO - so what's changed?Remus West wrote:If thats all you have I am going to be voting for you. I'll wait for an official vote count as I don't want to accidentally off you but vague claims and spending more of our resources on you just don't do it for me. Make your claim openly or go to the noose.RMC wrote:Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
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It is has been that way for the last few years since I have joined OO. Maybe when we started adding multiple roles instead of just having a seer?stessier wrote:I'm curious why the hurry? We have a claim - if he dies tonight, we know he was on our side. If he's alive in the morning, we discuss the noose then. This has always been our MO - so what's changed?Remus West wrote:If thats all you have I am going to be voting for you. I'll wait for an official vote count as I don't want to accidentally off you but vague claims and spending more of our resources on you just don't do it for me. Make your claim openly or go to the noose.RMC wrote:Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
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Yeah FWIW it has always been our MO for as long as I've been playing WW to demand a specific claim when specialness is asserted.bb2112 wrote:It is has been that way for the last few years since I have joined OO. Maybe when we started adding multiple roles instead of just having a seer?stessier wrote:I'm curious why the hurry? We have a claim - if he dies tonight, we know he was on our side. If he's alive in the morning, we discuss the noose then. This has always been our MO - so what's changed?Remus West wrote:If thats all you have I am going to be voting for you. I'll wait for an official vote count as I don't want to accidentally off you but vague claims and spending more of our resources on you just don't do it for me. Make your claim openly or go to the noose.RMC wrote:Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
Which, of course, does not necessarily mean that we shouldn't change our MO.
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I mean, if we just assume our normal MO we can be confident he is our Seer and move on.
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Heh, fair enough. But as a corollary of that, if we assume that he is our seer and move on, by virtue of that he would turn out to be the Sheriff.stessier wrote:I mean, if we just assume our normal MO we can be confident he is our Seer and move on.
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No, I'm pretty sure the Sheriff will be the second guy we run all the way up - but he will claim Seer which will force a counter claim. We will lynch the true Seer and the Sheriff will laugh at us all night long.
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No, exposing the Sheriff would be too good of a result for this. It will be Mortianna, who will claim seer. And the Sheriff will laugh at us all night long.stessier wrote:No, I'm pretty sure the Sheriff will be the second guy we run all the way up - but he will claim Seer which will force a counter claim. We will lynch the true Seer and the Sheriff will laugh at us all night long.
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But we'll wait a day for the lynch - Azeem will protect Mortianna instead of the Seer. The Seer will choose Azeem as his scan. Day 2 we have a worthless scan, a doomed Seer and no protector, although we got rid of Mortianna. Oh, and they manage to convert Will. That seems about right...
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Sounds like a plan!stessier wrote:But we'll wait a day for the lynch - Azeem will protect Mortianna instead of the Seer. The Seer will choose Azeem as his scan. Day 2 we have a worthless scan, a doomed Seer and no protector, although we got rid of Mortianna. Oh, and they manage to convert Will. That seems about right...
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This is where we are:Remus West wrote:If thats all you have I am going to be voting for you. I'll wait for an official vote count as I don't want to accidentally off you but vague claims and spending more of our resources on you just don't do it for me. Make your claim openly or go to the noose.RMC wrote:Sorry guys, had to drive to the main hospital. I would prefer to let the scanners prove me tonight honestly rather than come out with my role.
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Nice
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