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That does bring Scoop back to the forefront a little.

Why did you target stessier?
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Isgrimnur wrote:As such, Azeem's protection should not protect against an arrest.
So do you want to roll that back, or keep that protection capability in place? Either way is fine with me.
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Remus West wrote:That does bring Scoop back to the forefront a little.

Why did you target stessier?
When RMC claimed special but refused to claim a specific role both Grund and stessier suggested not pushing him on it but rather (essentially) letting the scanners test him. Grund was pretty vocal about it (and argued with you about it), which would be risky for a wolf (it would expose him too much). By contrast stessier piggybacked on Grund's argument a little bit and made one vague kind of "hey maybe let the scanners handle RMC", which seemed more wolfish.
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Remus West wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
Remus West wrote:I don't really have any better ideas than Scoop but maybe take a look at who Grund was examining. They would have motivation to attack him given that pressure and his two kill votes making him look good.
So, then... you?
You were after me? I hadn't realized that. :oops: :lol:
I haven't read back to look yet. Anyone else you were targeting in thread?
There was no sign of my interest in you. But I had planned to protect/scan you next for Mortianneity.

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El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:That does bring Scoop back to the forefront a little.

Why did you target stessier?
When RMC claimed special but refused to claim a specific role both Grund and stessier suggested not pushing him on it but rather (essentially) letting the scanners test him. Grund was pretty vocal about it (and argued with you about it), which would be risky for a wolf (it would expose him too much). By contrast stessier piggybacked on Grund's argument a little bit and made one vague kind of "hey maybe let the scanners handle RMC", which seemed more wolfish.
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Grundbegriff wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:As such, Azeem's protection should not protect against an arrest.
So do you want to roll that back, or keep that protection capability in place? Either way is fine with me.
We'll go with protection not preventing an arrest. The current game state is consistent with that situation.
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The dead:
bb2112: Night 1 murder (probably a pawn)
RMC: Day 1 Lynch (Morticia)
stessier: Day 2 Lynch (Ozzy of Osbourne}

The "trusted"-ish:
Moliere: Marian
Grundbegriff: Azeem
RevHempus71: Robin of the Hood

The candidates for target practice:
Chaosraven: [Sheriff | pawn | Will]
Vorret: [Sheriff | pawn | Will]
El Guapo: [Sheriff | pawn | Will]
Remus West: [Sheriff | pawn | Will]
Scoop20906: [Sheriff | pawn | Will]

I'm marginally inclined to trust El Guapo, since he threw stessier under the bus without wavering. Of course, trust has a short half-life in this game since he could be convertible Will.

Chaosraven: very low profile
Vorret: proposed an alternate candidate (now known good) when RMC was taking heat
Remus West: clinical but curiously passive
Scoop: hinky
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Grundbegriff wrote:Scoop: hinky
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I would go with Remus West on the bb2112 killed and RevH scanned by Sheriff in the Detroit crew.
I would go with Newcastle (Sir Not Appearing in this Game) as likely to frame the above.
RMC as guy would be likely to kill bb2112, remus, and myself.

But who's afraid of the big bad grund?

Given the opportunity to kill bb2112 *AND* myself, I don't see a Sheriff Remus being handed a knife and leaving me around to attack Grund.

So I narrow it to Vorret and Scoop from that standpoint.
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And EL GUAPO.

Geez.
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Isgrimnur wrote:Moliere (0) - Remus West
Chaosraven
bb2112 (1) - RMC
RMC (6) - Scoop20906, bb2112, RevHempus71, Chaosraven, El Guapo, RevHempus71, Remus West, Grundbegriff
Vorret (0) - RevHempus71
stessier
El Guapo
Grundbegriff (1) - Moliere
RevHempus71 (1) - Vorret
Remus West (2) - stessier, Grundbegriff, Scoop20906
Scoop20906

Quorum is six votes.

Voting is closed!
Isgrimnur wrote:
  • Moliere (1) - Remus West, Scoop20906, Chaosraven, RevHempus71
  • Chaosraven (2) - RevHempus71, stessier, Moliere
  • Vorret
  • stessier (5) - El Guapo, RevHempus71, Chaosraven, Moliere, Grundbegriff
  • El Guapo
  • Grundbegriff
  • RevHempus71
  • Remus West
  • Scoop20906 (0) - Moliere
Quorum is 5 votes.

Voting is closed.
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El G was technically "First" on both of those.
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Vorret was on neither

Scoop pulled from one and then was on neither
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bad guy stessier voted for both Remus West and Chaosraven
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Chaosraven wrote:RMC as guy would be likely to kill bb2112, remus, and myself.
We know that stessier was Guy.
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wait how do we know that?
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Chaosraven wrote:wait how do we know that?
Moliere, who as you'll recall is a currently uncontested Maid Marian, via her powers:
Scan target for Robin and the Sheriff. If Robin scans her, their roles are revealed to each other. The identity (not role) of one evil player is divulged to both. This will allow the evil team to attempt to one of the powered players. Does (x) play (y) role? They will be awarded a Yes/No answer. Only powered roles are available for selection. If Marian or Robin identify the evil player in a definitive statement, the guards descend on the town, seize and summarily execute one non-evil player. If she is arrested and her role becomes known in that method, neither the reveal to Robin nor the scan for Team Evil will occur.
He was apparently told the identity of stessier.
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oh

where was that in relation to scoop?
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Wait how does Moliere know that stessier is Guy? The description says identity, not role - wouldn't he just get "stessier is evil" (which we know anyway)?
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Scoop20906 wrote: Friggin Grund keeps getting in the way but I wasn't even sure what the stessier vote was about. I'd be suspicious of Grund except the concept of scooping both your team mates seems to defy logic. Evil is taking it on the ass this game. Can we make this a clean sweep?

Moliere - claims Maid Marian (uncontested)
Chaosraven - ?
bb2112 - dead unknown
RMC - dead baddie
Vorret - ?
stessier - dead baddie
El Guapo - ?
Grundbegriff - ?
RevHempus71 - Robin of Locksley (locked up)
Remus West - ?
Scoop20906 - ?

I'll go out on a limb and say that both RMC and stessier were some combination of guy and morgana. That leaves only the sheriff since he locked up Rev last night. That leaves a pool of 6 unknowns and if we drop Grund to the bottom only 5.
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El Guapo wrote:Wait how does Moliere know that stessier is Guy? The description says identity, not role - wouldn't he just get "stessier is evil" (which we know anyway)?
If they're dead I get the role too.
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Chaosraven wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote: Friggin Grund keeps getting in the way but I wasn't even sure what the stessier vote was about. I'd be suspicious of Grund except the concept of scooping both your team mates seems to defy logic. Evil is taking it on the ass this game. Can we make this a clean sweep?


I'll go out on a limb and say that both RMC and stessier were some combination of guy and morgana. That leaves only the sheriff since he locked up Rev last night. That leaves a pool of 6 unknowns and if we drop Grund to the bottom only 5.
wait wait wait


Grund, getting in the way?
Putting Grund at the bottom...

Now I need to go reread when this statement was made.

I think it reveals a frustrated Sheriff (as he states the other two are gone)
It reveals an attack on Grund stymied.
Dropping Grund from the list of possible... is this before the Azeem Claim?
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sorry, I was kinda awol from this one, I shall be on more !
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Yep.

Half hour into the Day, in response to Moliere.

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Moliere wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Wait how does Moliere know that stessier is Guy? The description says identity, not role - wouldn't he just get "stessier is evil" (which we know anyway)?
If they're dead I get the role too.
Can you point me where you revealed that info?
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El Guapo wrote:Wait how does Moliere know that stessier is Guy? The description says identity, not role - wouldn't he just get "stessier is evil" (which we know anyway)?
Rules correction.
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Isgrimnur wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Wait how does Moliere know that stessier is Guy? The description says identity, not role - wouldn't he just get "stessier is evil" (which we know anyway)?
Rules correction.
ahhh, I knew I was forgetting something.
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It was after Scoops post.
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Is there any reason to use Marian's power to guess the Sheriff? Moliere could, if I understand this right, make an attempt at a "definitive statement" like "Is Scoop / Vorret the Sheriff?". If he's right we lose someone but then immediately lynch the Sheriff. Since we're looking for one person amidst two main suspects, if we guess that Scoop is the Sheriff and it comes back negative, then we would lynch Vorret.

But then we can do the same thing by just lynching one of them and then lynching the other, right? We lose one person at random if we guess right on Marian's power, whereas if we guess right on the lynch we do not lose someone extra (though we lose someone specific, the lynch target, if we guess wrong on the lynch).

Not sure whether Marian's power is worth using, but if we are going to use it now seems like a fine time.
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Does it kill one at Random?

Would it include an Arrested Robin?
Would it include a Protected Azeem (does the protection extend?)

Hmmmmm
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Chaosraven wrote:Does it kill one at Random?

Would it include an Arrested Robin?
Would it include a Protected Azeem (does the protection extend?)

Hmmmmm
I believe that it is random. Don't know about the rest.
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It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Another question: does a failed "definitive statement" prove Marian? Like if Moliere asks if Scoop is the Sheriff, and the answer is no, does that occur in thread, or is it a silent fizzle?

Not that I really doubt that Moliere is Marian, but eliminating that small nugget of doubt is a potential side benefit.
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If we were going just by voting record, I'd say Remus West.
Chaosraven wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Friggin Grund keeps getting in the way
wait wait wait

Grund, getting in the way?
Putting Grund at the bottom...

Now I need to go reread when this statement was made.

I think it reveals a frustrated Sheriff (as he states the other two are gone)
It reveals an attack on Grund stymied.
Dropping Grund from the list of possible... is this before the Azeem Claim?
I think Scoop's talking there about my having scooped both baddies before he had a chance to... do whatever it is that he does and then scoop them himself.
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Isgrimnur wrote:Correction #2.
I'm confused about whether I'm confused. My understandage:

The Robin Marian Nexus™ results in 1 scan for sure with no ill consequences. If that scan is of a living player, then another optional scan is made available to them which, if successful, triggers an assassination-by-day event. Is this correct?

1. Sure: Robin scans Marian: they both learn (1a) the evilness of one living evil player OR (1b) the exact role of one dead evil player.
2. Optional if, and only if, (1a) happens: Robin or Marian utters the sentence "Evildoer who has been revealed to us as evil (or Evildoer that we luckily guess is evil) is in the role ROLE", whereupon (2a) they're right, and a good is randomly assassinated, or (2b) they're wrong and nothing comes of it.

If I'm understanding the mechanism right, then we passed through 1b, and we therefore have no access to 2a (which only follows 1a).

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As far as I can parse, you're dead on.
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In that case: no, El Guapo. We're all out of Robin Marian Nexus™ scans.
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I'm thinking it's at least Scoop.

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Chaosraven wrote:I'm thinking it's at least Scoop.

 Scoop 
 
I think only Elongated Man gets to vote twice. Meanwhile, Scoop remains at 2 votes.
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