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Isgrimnur wrote:If any of our scanners were good, they should have revealed an evil finding. That leaves two reasonable possibilities. El Guapo is evil and has kept the scans on his team or El Guapo is good and the chain has managed to remain lucky enough to ID good players.
Don't start acting reasonable now! :ninja:
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bb2112 wrote:
Moliere wrote:OK, any other opinions before I make the group official?
I don't believe the first 2 of the scan group.

Therefore I would put the last group with Stess. However, we still need to find a perfect 5 for the final quest.

I would suggest:

bb2112
Moliere
Remus West
Stessier
RMC

Either that will work or I just remuscided the group. :lol:
My concern with your perfect group is RW because I don't know who to trust between him and Chaos.
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Moliere wrote:My concern with your perfect group is RW because I don't know who to trust between him and Chaos.
I will try to make this simple.

FACT: Chaos said RW was good.

IF it was an evil CR trying to provide cover for an evil RW, they both would have voted for the last quest and won the game for team evil. - Therefore cannot be true.

IF CR is good and he scanned RW then RW is good. This is possible.

IF CR is evil and he scanned RW and called RW good. This is possible.

In the above 3 possible scenarios, the first one is not possible. The last remaining 2 possibilities both leave RW good. So how can you say you don't know who to trust? RW is good, it is now just a matter whether CR is good or not.
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Now back up that same logic on CR. If CR was evil, why would he give us a trusted in RW? If he were evil and pegged RW as evil to gain trust while eliminate a good member from consideration, that would net a swing in his favor.

There's no real reason why an evil scanner would scan a good player and give us a good result. They should keep the scans in-house on team evil, or scan a good and lie, telling us that they're evil so as to cast doubt and eliminate a good player from consideration.
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Isgrimnur wrote:

There's no real reason why an evil scanner would scan a good player and give us a good result.
That is not true.
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bb2112 wrote:
Moliere wrote:My concern with your perfect group is RW because I don't know who to trust between him and Chaos.
I will try to make this simple.

FACT: Chaos said RW was good.

IF it was an evil CR trying to provide cover for an evil RW, they both would have voted for the last quest and won the game for team evil. - Therefore cannot be true.

IF CR is good and he scanned RW then RW is good. This is possible.

IF CR is evil and he scanned RW and called RW good. This is possible.

In the above 3 possible scenarios, the first one is not possible. The last remaining 2 possibilities both leave RW good. So how can you say you don't know who to trust? RW is good, it is now just a matter whether CR is good or not.
It depends how far down the rabbit hole you want to go. If RW thought the List of Adventurers was doomed anyway, he could earn far more cred for coming out against it. With them not being able to coordinate, though, that is pretty far down the hole.
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bb2112 wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:

There's no real reason why an evil scanner would scan a good player and give us a good result.
That is not true.
And this is why I can't decide on my group members. :clap:
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Moliere wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:

There's no real reason why an evil scanner would scan a good player and give us a good result.
That is not true.
And this is why I can't decide on my group members. :clap:
So you know there is one bad guy in your group. Who do you think it is?
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stessier wrote:So you know there is one bad guy in your group. Who do you think it is?
Which group? This one: Isgrimnur, Moliere , bb2112, and Remus West?
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I'm not understanding how El G could possibly be a choice over me?

I know I'm Good.
I know Remus is Good.
El G scanned me as Good.

NONE of that makes El G a GOOD alignment.

WTF?

Who's pushing for that?
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Chaosraven wrote:I'm not understanding how El G could possibly be a choice over me?

I know I'm Good.
I know Remus is Good.
El G scanned me as Good.

NONE of that makes El G a GOOD alignment.

WTF?

Who's pushing for that?
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Chaosraven wrote:Team three had at least one evil
Isgrimnur
Moliere
bb2112
Remus West

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Chaosraven ACCEPT - not party2 (where at least 2 Evil lurk)
Isgrimnur ACCEPT - not party2 (where at least 2 Evil lurk) (party3rd min 1 evil)
Moliere ACCEPT - not party2 (where at least 2 Evil lurk) (party3rd min 1 evil)
bb2112 ACCEPT - not party2 (where at least 2 Evil lurk) (party3rd min 1 evil)
Remus West REJECT - not party2 (where 2 Evil lurk) GOOD

Scoop20906 REJECT - not party2 (where at least 2 Evil lurk)

Fuck.

If there are actually the other 2 evil in Isgrimnur/Moliere/bb2112...

But Scoop did reject that team.

stessier REJECT - PARTY2
RMC REJECT - PARTY2
Holman ACCEPT - PARTY2
El Guapo REJECT - PARTY2

Along with 2 Evils if it's stessier/RMC, or stessier/El Guapo, or RMC/El Guapo.

AAAARGH

bb2112 REJECT
Chaosraven ACCEPT
El Guapo ACCEPT
Holman ACCEPT
Isgrimnur ACCEPT
Moliere REJECT
Remus West REJECT
RMC REJECT
Scoop20906 ACCEPT
stessier REJECT

REJECT: 5
ACCEPT: 5
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stessier REJECT - PARTY2
RMC REJECT - PARTY2
Holman ACCEPT - PARTY2
El Guapo REJECT - PARTY2
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El Guapo ACCEPT
Holman ACCEPT
RMC REJECT
stessier REJECT
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PARTY 2 has split itself
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bb2112 wrote:
Moliere wrote:OK, any other opinions before I make the group official?
I don't believe the first 2 of the scan group.

Therefore I would put the last group with Stess. However, we still need to find a perfect 5 for the final quest.

I would suggest:

bb2112
Moliere
Remus West
Stessier
RMC

Either that will work or I just remuscided the group. :lol:
You know you have 6 in that group?

Edit: wow, no you dont. Geez, my bad.
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This game is even more frustrating than Hitler.
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Seriously. I'm not sure how to play here.

I was pegged evil for reasons I don't get, and I don't know how to judge whether the people pegging me are themselves evil or just mistaken.
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Remus, what do you think a good combination would be? Maybe not even a whole team - who do you feel good about?

We need something from Scoop. Silent votes are not helping.
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I have a team suggestion and some reasoning, but I'd like to hear from those two first.
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Since we are on a knife's edge of losing this game, it may not be a bad idea for everyone to give their list of 5.
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Also, RW had shoulder surgery yesterday and I am not sure how available he is going to be going into the weekend. Especially since he tends to not be as active over weekend periods. Hopefully he will surprise us, because I would really like to hear from him too.
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I don't think we have to hurry this so I personally don't mind waiting. Overall this one has been going fairly quickly.
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OK, looks like we're sitting on this until Monday. I don't want anyone complaining that we rushed a decision.
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I find this game really confusing. I'm a good guy. I vote to accept or reject. Beyond that I don't do anything.
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If you have to choose between chaos or me then it's fairly easy. ME!
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I understand the issue with ElG, Chaos, and RW. Can someone remind me why Holman is supposed to be Evil. I don't remember him involved in any action besides regular votes.
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Moliere wrote:I understand the issue with ElG, Chaos, and RW. Can someone remind me why Holman is supposed to be Evil. I don't remember him involved in any action besides regular votes.
Stessier started pushing the idea the I was evil just after he and I (and RMC and El Guapo) were involved in the failed Quest 2.

I don't know if it makes him evil or not. I made sure to leave him out of my proposed quest group, and it was really after that that he started accusing me.
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bb2112 wrote:Since we are on a knife's edge of losing this game, it may not be a bad idea for everyone to give their list of 5.
Hello? Is this thing on?
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I am driving around Ohio today, going to our Management Services Center for the day to meet with the big wigs and stuff, so most likely no OO today.

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Scoop20906 wrote:I find this game really confusing. I'm a good guy. I vote to accept or reject. Beyond that I don't do anything.
I mean, at this point in the game I feel like we can't really accept this as reasoning. The point is that the bad guys are trying to sneak onto teams and then voting to cause missions to fail (though of course they can, and in Mission #1 apparently did, pass a mission to keep their cover).

So, like any game with a saboteur mechanic, read what people posted and how the votes came out and make guesses as to who you think is evil. Even if they're bad guesses you'll be providing the village with information.
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bb2112 wrote:
bb2112 wrote:Since we are on a knife's edge of losing this game, it may not be a bad idea for everyone to give their list of 5.
Hello? Is this thing on?
I would be happy to stick with the party that Isgrimnur suggested (Isgrimnur, Moliere, bb2112, Remus West, Chaosraven. I know for sure that two of the members (CR and Remus) are good, so it will therefore succeed as long as we did not have an evil member voting to pass on Mission #3. Which is a risk, but intuitively it seems like a lesser risk than adding a comparative unknown (or a tainted) in place of one of the other Mission #3 members.

Of course, ideally Isgrimnur would add me in place of one of (Isgrimnur, Moliere, or bb2112) since then I would have three members that I know are good. I don't have super strong feelings between those three. I guess gun to my head I would put myself in place of Moliere, which would make it:

Isgrimnur, El Guapo, bb2112, Remus West, Chaosraven.
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I will not vote for any party containing Holman, El Guapo, or Chaosraven. I've laid out my reasons for those repeatedly. Since there are only 4 Evils and they need 2 to scuttle this mission any combo not including those three works for me right now.

I lean good on Scoop, stessier, and bb2112 but not strongly enough to request they be included (although Scoop feels good and would be the closest just because I can not picture him playing a bad guy this way).

Any party of 5 would depend on the results of this next mission as I am the sodden tart so will get to have a piece of solid information after that.
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After weighing all the comments I am going to go with this group for the next quest.

 Moliere
Scoop20906
Holman
Isgrimnur
bb2112 

 

Since all of the scanners are unreliable I am not including any of them.
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Moliere wrote:After weighing all the comments I am going to go with this group for the next quest.

 Moliere
Scoop20906
Holman
Isgrimnur
bb2112 

 

Since all of the scanners are unreliable I am not including any of them.
As already noted then I will be voting to reject and I suggest that folks also reject this party.
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Wanted to add that it is weird you would go from Chaosraven as the member I object to and replace him with Holman, another whom I object to but much more strongly. :?
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Remus West wrote:As already noted then I will be voting to reject and I suggest that folks also reject this party.
I know. I couldn't make everyone happy. If this group doesn't get a majority we'll see if Scoop can do a better job picking members.
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Moliere has tapped himself, Scoop, Holman, Isgrimnur, and bb2112 for the fourth quest. Please PM me your vote, whether you ACCEPT or REJECT
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I think this choice was hasty and I'm going to vote Reject - we need more discussion.

My thought is that we need to test someone from the El Guapo, RMC, stessier, Holman group now...but not Holman. :) We know 2 in that group are Bad, but that also means 2 are good and we can't win on the last day without 1 of the two in the Group. We can have 1 bad now and I think it is better to test one of them now rather than later. Maybe. I think. It was a thought I was playing with on Friday and I really stopped thinking about it once I learned Remus wouldn't be back until today. Thoughts?
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stessier wrote:I think this choice was hasty and I'm going to vote Reject - we need more discussion.

My thought is that we need to test someone from the El Guapo, RMC, stessier, Holman group now...but not Holman. :) We know 2 in that group are Bad, but that also means 2 are good and we can't win on the last day without 1 of the two in the Group. We can have 1 bad now and I think it is better to test one of them now rather than later. Maybe. I think. It was a thought I was playing with on Friday and I really stopped thinking about it once I learned Remus wouldn't be back until today. Thoughts?
We can't test anyone, unfortunately. I mean, at least not in a "we can later win the game" kind of way. If we choose poorly and wind up with 2+ evils in the quest group, we get information about who is evil (in fact, we would learn everyone's identity!) but we lose. If we wind up with 1 evil in the quest group, we probably get zero fail votes (because the evil person would know that he can't cause the quest to fail and would have no reason to vote to fail).

It would be helpful to know who Scoop might propose as the party members, because it would be helpful to know what the alternative is to the proposed party. Though we would have one or two more chances after Scoop to put a party together, of course.
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