Samurai Versus Ninja (ww) Night 2: RMC dead

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue May 03, 2016 10:27 am

Anyway, probably makes sense to stay away from RMC for now. I guess the first question is if RMC is spoofing and the PI is out there, but didn't use their power on night 0, should they counter RMC now, or wait and use their power tonight and then counter on day 2 (banking on surviving tonight)? If there were definitely a protector around I would say definitely counter RMC now, BUT since there isn't it probably makes sense to lay low (because what are the odds that the wolves would hit the true PI, right?) and then counter tomorrow.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue May 03, 2016 10:37 am

Not really sure who to vote for, which I suppose isn't surprising given that it's day 1. I'm going to go with Moliere

- he jumped on me awfully quick for doing the regular "probe the vague special claim" work.

Plus, you know, would free Moliere's time up for representing the forum in the werewolf championship.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue May 03, 2016 10:47 am

Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.

This post really bothers me on multiple levels. He has posted a few other things that just hasn't sat right with me. I think Vorret is our next most likely candidate to be on team bad.

Vorret

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue May 03, 2016 11:00 am

bb2112 wrote:
Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
This post really bothers me on multiple levels. He has posted a few other things that just hasn't sat right with me. I think Vorret is our next most likely candidate to be on team bad.

Vorret

See, I think Vorret was thinking like a Day one person should be thinking. <shrug> I would say I am always wrong, but sometimes I am not wrong...

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue May 03, 2016 11:42 am

bb2112 wrote:
Vorret wrote:I'm ok with letting him live, wolves will get him tonight anyway if he really is a special.
If not, well, we get him tomorrow, no harms done.
This post really bothers me on multiple levels. He has posted a few other things that just hasn't sat right with me. I think Vorret is our next most likely candidate to be on team bad.

Vorret

Vorret's thinking mirrored my own. I much rather see what the wolves do w/ RMC out and about...hence didnt' feel need for RMC to be todays cut....now that guy BB 2012 whom i love to tangle with...that's another story. Atleast he's out there probing for holes.

(fyi - fair warning...i am on some gnarly pain killers....so take that for what its worth with a grain of salt)

/skips out
"Wheeeeee"

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue May 03, 2016 11:45 am

Newcastle wrote:Atleast he's out there probing for holes.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue May 03, 2016 11:56 am

wish you were that picky about finding them ninja's

moliere

because...well its always fun seeing if we can get moliere lynched before me.

/throw downs a bowl of sticky rice
/grunts with the effort
/hobbles out

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue May 03, 2016 12:01 pm

Moliere wrote:
Newcastle wrote:Atleast he's out there probing for holes.

I am literally laughing so hard I have tears in my eyes.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue May 03, 2016 12:12 pm

BTW, has there ever been an Archer-themed WW game?

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue May 03, 2016 1:10 pm

Holman wrote:BTW, has there ever been an Archer-themed WW game?

A lot of potential there.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:03 pm

I'm either voting for BB or Moliere since they both tried to put words in my mouth earlier in the day (

).

Since Moliere already has some votes on him ... Moliere

.

Beside, I much prefer Morliere, that guy has some serious style.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue May 03, 2016 2:27 pm

I get the feeling that Newcastle is sorta playing in the periphery.

Newcastle

I really don't have a strong read here on anyone, but feel I should pick the one that sorta stands out to me a little.

I'm not entirely sold on the RMC thing - as it certainly is a fake-able role, and one that a wolf would pick to hide behind.
The total open list of specials/evils get's a little bit of a "boo" from me....but really, I am just going to treat the game like one where we just lost our Seer. Hooray if some special can clear the air on things, but good luck being 'trusted'...

Sadly, I'm finding these games just make me realize I don't trust anyone.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue May 03, 2016 3:13 pm

Newcastle wrote:wish you were that picky about finding them ninja's

moliere

because...well its always fun seeing if we can get moliere lynched before me.

/throw downs a bowl of sticky rice
/grunts with the effort
/hobbles out

Since no one else wants to vote for ElG I will jump on the Newcastle

train because I like to mix my metaphors.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue May 03, 2016 3:21 pm

Unagi wrote:I get the feeling that Newcastle is sorta playing in the periphery.

Newcastle

I really don't have a strong read here on anyone, but feel I should pick the one that sorta stands out to me a little.

I'm not entirely sold on the RMC thing - as it certainly is a fake-able role, and one that a wolf would pick to hide behind.
The total open list of specials/evils get's a little bit of a "boo" from me....but really, I am just going to treat the game like one where we just lost our Seer. Hooray if some special can clear the air on things, but good luck being 'trusted'...

Sadly, I'm finding these games just make me realize I don't trust anyone.

lmao
Yeah, it's thankfully not as bad as the Hitler one.

I don't really 100% trust RMC either but as I said earlier, there's no reason *right now* to not trust the claim and we can re-evaluate the situation once night has passed.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue May 03, 2016 4:01 pm

On the periphery...idk maybe...definitely not really in the thick of it

Moliere....why must we always be at each other....and its not a train yet... More like a slow moving snail parade

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue May 03, 2016 4:03 pm

I've got very little faith in the world's most convenient seer claim, but I'd like to see what RMC comes up with before voting against him.

As for the rest of the field, I don't know. I've got day-one paralysis.

Reviewing.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue May 03, 2016 4:04 pm

Newcastle wrote:On the periphery...idk maybe...definitely not really in the thick of it

Moliere....why must we always be at each other....and its not a train yet... More like a slow moving snail parade

You forgot to do Yoda.

(Or was that all pain killers?)

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue May 03, 2016 4:05 pm

Newcastle wrote:Moliere....why must we always be at each other....and its not a train yet... More like a slow moving snail parade

Hey, I tried turning a new leaf by voting RMC and ElG first.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue May 03, 2016 4:27 pm

Holman wrote:
Newcastle wrote:On the periphery...idk maybe...definitely not really in the thick of it

Moliere....why must we always be at each other....and its not a train yet... More like a slow moving snail parade
You forgot to do Yoda.

(Or was that all pain killers?)

Todays version of Newcastle is brought to you by....some sort of pharma thing

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:12 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Actually, might as well ask the threshold question - Scoop, can a PI include themselves in their group of 3?
Yes.
Follow up question: Does the PI's list need to include at least one Dame who is up to no good?

Sounds like a neat idea of a possible new role.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:13 pm

Working on those questions, El Guapo...

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:15 pm

Holman wrote:BTW, has there ever been an Archer-themed WW game?

Oh me likey!!!

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:18 pm

Day 1 Vote Count
Moliere(3) - El Guapo, newcastle, Vorret
newcastle(2) - Unagi, Moliere
Vorret(1) - bb2112

No Votes Cast
Lassr
Holman
RMC

Majority of 5 votes.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:19 pm

Newcastle wrote:
Holman wrote:
Newcastle wrote:On the periphery...idk maybe...definitely not really in the thick of it

Moliere....why must we always be at each other....and its not a train yet... More like a slow moving snail parade
You forgot to do Yoda.

(Or was that all pain killers?)
Todays version of Newcastle is brought to you by....some sort of pharma thing

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:38 pm

Ok, so going through the roles with questions and whatnot:

Bogeyman: You win if all the night-active players are dead. Could be on either team.

Question: isn't the Bogeyman an "either team" role? Or does that mean that the Bogeyman wins if all night-active wolves are dead OR all night-active villagers are dead?

Mod Response: The bogeyman wins if all the night active players on both teams is dead which reading it now it doesn't make much sense. FYI, this role isn't in the game AND will get updated for the next one.

Lycan: You are a villager, but you appear falsely to be a werewolf to the Seers or PI (if they exist)

This is a wrench in the value of the PI / seer. Wolf Man as well.

Martyr: Take the place of someone who has been killed before their role is revealed.

Question: I assume that this means before the victim's alignment is revealed? We don't learn role from a death, right? Also, I assume that the martyr could take the place of a lynch target (but might accidentally protect a wolf), yes?

Mod Response: Yes on both accounts. Since roles are not going to be announced this role is really just take the place of another player's death.

Old Hag: At night, indicate a player who must leave the village the next day. (one time power)

I assume that the effect here is the same as being killed?

Mod Response: Not entirely. When the player leaves town no one will learn their role or alignment. I bet you love that.

Priest: On the first night, protect a player. The next attempt to kill the player fails. The night after that attempt, you protect a different player. Can no protect the same player twice.

So this only gets used on night 0 and night 1, but the respective players are protected indefinitely from one kill (until the "next attempt to kill" each player?

Mod Response: Yes, the priest's protection extends all the way until the next night or the first kill attempt. Its a one time protection for the player, however.

Prince: You can't be lynched.

Is the lynch used up if the village targets the Prince, or can they lynch someone else? Note that this is a provable role.

Mod Reponse: The price can not be lynched. Ever.

Spellcaster: At night, indicate a player who must not post the following day.

Is the village told anything when the spellcaster uses his power?

Mod Reponse: The mod will post some flavor text about the player not being able to post that day.

Sorcerer: You are a seer, but you are on the Werewolf team. You only know if you've found a werewolf, another seer, or something else.

Isn't this a werewolf role?

Mod Reponse: It is and I have it in the wrong column. I will correct for the next game and also announce that that role is not in this game.

Cult Leader: Each night, add a player to your cult. (Mod will inform them they are part of the cult and who is the leader) You win if all of the players left alive are part of your cult.

Is the Cult Leader guaranteed to be in the game? If one player on a team is the Cult Leader, does that count as a special for that team?

Mod Response: Not role including the cult leader is guaranteed to be in the game. The Cult Leader can either be on the werewolf or villager team.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:42 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Holman wrote:BTW, has there ever been an Archer-themed WW game?
Oh me likey!!!

I am inspired, and I might started working on roles for this...

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 03, 2016 5:45 pm

Holman wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Holman wrote:BTW, has there ever been an Archer-themed WW game?
Oh me likey!!!

I am inspired, and I might started working on roles for this...

Start a Post. I might have sometime to toss some roles/rulez on there.

Like Night should instead be called the ...

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue May 03, 2016 6:05 pm

Thanks, Mr. Scoop. One follow up question:

Is the lynch used up if the village targets the Prince, or can they lynch someone else? Note that this is a provable role.

Mod Response: The price can not be lynched. Ever.

I know the Prince can't be lynched. My question was whether if the village tries does it immediately go to night (with the Prince still alive), or are we told "sorry it's the Prince, pick someone else"?

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue May 03, 2016 6:10 pm

El Guapo wrote:Thanks, Mr. Scoop. One follow up question:

Is the lynch used up if the village targets the Prince, or can they lynch someone else? Note that this is a provable role.

Mod Response: The price can not be lynched. Ever.
I know the Prince can't be lynched. My question was whether if the village tries does it immediately go to night (with the Prince still alive), or are we told "sorry it's the Prince, pick someone else"?

Mod Response: Oh. Sorry El G. The Majority will be reached and then it will be announced that the Prince can not be lynched (stays alive) and then the game progresses into the Night.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue May 03, 2016 8:09 pm

So, it strikes me that maybe the best use of the PI is to actually prove 3 villagers (in other words, Don't include yourself and simply try and pick 3 people you really think are GOOD) and then if we lynch the PI and learn he is good, we have 3 proven/trusted players from his scan - which is pretty damn good.

Conversely; having 1 wolf (I suppose hitting 2 is damn good, so, keeping that in mind) - having just 1 wolf in his 'net', and also needing to feel good acting on the unproven/trusted PI's info - seems like a net negative / wolf-move.

Make sense?
Not right?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue May 03, 2016 8:32 pm

Unagi wrote:So, it strikes me that maybe the best use of the PI is to actually prove 3 villagers (in other words, Don't include yourself and simply try and pick 3 people you really think are GOOD) and then if we lynch the PI and learn he is good, we have 3 proven/trusted players from his scan - which is pretty damn good.

Conversely; having 1 wolf (I suppose hitting 2 is damn good, so, keeping that in mind) - having just 1 wolf in his 'net', and also needing to feel good acting on the unproven/trusted PI's info - seems like a net negative / wolf-move.

Make sense?
Not right?

That would be my suggestion, try to get 3 good guys, not including RMC, in your net. If we get a wolf then we have to spend some effort weeding them out and possibly taking some innocent lives along the way.

We can prove RMC when he dies and he will die. It's the only way to be sure.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue May 03, 2016 9:09 pm

Lassr wrote:
Unagi wrote:So, it strikes me that maybe the best use of the PI is to actually prove 3 villagers (in other words, Don't include yourself and simply try and pick 3 people you really think are GOOD) and then if we lynch the PI and learn he is good, we have 3 proven/trusted players from his scan - which is pretty damn good.

Conversely; having 1 wolf (I suppose hitting 2 is damn good, so, keeping that in mind) - having just 1 wolf in his 'net', and also needing to feel good acting on the unproven/trusted PI's info - seems like a net negative / wolf-move.

Make sense?
Not right?

That would be my suggestion, try to get 3 good guys, not including RMC, in your net. If we get a wolf then we have to spend some effort weeding them out and possibly taking some innocent lives along the way.

We can prove RMC when he dies and he will die. It's the only way to be sure.

Yup I will die, most likely tonight, so your thoughts on my scan are most likely wasted.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue May 03, 2016 9:15 pm

I would think they wouldn't want to risk your scans proving anyone, so I'd think you are likely right.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue May 03, 2016 11:37 pm

Unagi wrote:So, it strikes me that maybe the best use of the PI is to actually prove 3 villagers (in other words, Don't include yourself and simply try and pick 3 people you really think are GOOD) and then if we lynch the PI and learn he is good, we have 3 proven/trusted players from his scan - which is pretty damn good.

Conversely; having 1 wolf (I suppose hitting 2 is damn good, so, keeping that in mind) - having just 1 wolf in his 'net', and also needing to feel good acting on the unproven/trusted PI's info - seems like a net negative / wolf-move.

Make sense?
Not right?

Makes sense. Although you can't really hit 2 wolves, on the conversely thought - the PI ability just tells you whether there is at least 1 wolf in the group, so if you list two or three wolves it's the same as listing 1.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed May 04, 2016 6:34 am

RMC wrote:
Lassr wrote:
Unagi wrote:So, it strikes me that maybe the best use of the PI is to actually prove 3 villagers (in other words, Don't include yourself and simply try and pick 3 people you really think are GOOD) and then if we lynch the PI and learn he is good, we have 3 proven/trusted players from his scan - which is pretty damn good.

Conversely; having 1 wolf (I suppose hitting 2 is damn good, so, keeping that in mind) - having just 1 wolf in his 'net', and also needing to feel good acting on the unproven/trusted PI's info - seems like a net negative / wolf-move.

Make sense?
Not right?

That would be my suggestion, try to get 3 good guys, not including RMC, in your net. If we get a wolf then we have to spend some effort weeding them out and possibly taking some innocent lives along the way.

We can prove RMC when he dies and he will die. It's the only way to be sure.
Yup I will die, most likely tonight, so your thoughts on my scan are most likely wasted.

What are the odds that we have a protector? You're the obvious one to protect, so it seems likely that you'll be alive tomorrow morning.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed May 04, 2016 7:03 am

It's starting to be time to choose. This round, I'm going to go on gut feelings.

The pile-on against Moliere feels artificially contrived to me. Both Newcastle and El Guapo seem to be driving it, and NC already has votes on him, so...

Newcastle

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed May 04, 2016 7:46 am

Scoop20906 wrote:Day 1 Vote Count
Moliere(3) - El Guapo, newcastle, Vorret
newcastle(2) - Unagi, Moliere
Vorret(1) - bb2112

No Votes Cast
Lassr
Holman
RMC

Majority of 5 votes.

With Holman's vote that puts Moliere and Newcastle both at 3. It doesn't seem like Vorret is going anywhere, so... let's see what happens...

Newcastle

N-1

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed May 04, 2016 8:07 am

I am good with Newcastle, so I will let him talk then walk him to the gallows.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed May 04, 2016 8:19 am

Newcastle and Vorret were the two main alternatives I considered before voting Moliere, so I'm fine with voting for Newcastle instead. But yes, of course we should let him speak first.

Man, it's gotta be killing Scoop that he can't Scoop here.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed May 04, 2016 8:19 am

Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Thanks, Mr. Scoop. One follow up question:

Is the lynch used up if the village targets the Prince, or can they lynch someone else? Note that this is a provable role.

Mod Response: The price can not be lynched. Ever.
I know the Prince can't be lynched. My question was whether if the village tries does it immediately go to night (with the Prince still alive), or are we told "sorry it's the Prince, pick someone else"?
Mod Response: Oh. Sorry El G. The Majority will be reached and then it will be announced that the Prince can not be lynched (stays alive) and then the game progresses into the Night.

Thank you, sir.