[WW] Danger Zone REDUX! -- Night 3

[bb2112]

Amazing how much effort some people are putting into not voting against stessier.

Fine. Let's see where this rabbit hole goes.

 Stessier 
 

[Lassr]

Are you lumping Unagi in with me? Very interesting.


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I highly doubt both of you are assassins. You are playing too lovey dovey in the open to do that, but one of you could be leading the other on. If you both are then that is some ballsy play.

[Vorret]

Vorret, any reason why you won't vote El Guapo?

Grund, does my logic on El Guapo make sense to you?

bb2112, I know you are semi-proven so I can trust you aren't lying but I am asking you to think through my reasoning and see if you won't join the El Guapo vote.

Moliere, voting with me will be the most uncool, arbitrary, against the rulez thing you have ever done and I promise if El Guapo turns out to be ISIS and I am wrong then I will vote for you next.

Good question, he hadn't crossed my mind until today when people started voting for him, probably since he wasn't participating much. I *prefer* Stessier but you're also right that usually El Guapo posts alot so it could be a wolfy play to stay hidden as much as possible.

He's not really defending himself, so I'll wait until the week start and give him a chance to at least talk (weekends aren't good for most people, me included).

[El Guapo]

Vorret, any reason why you won't vote El Guapo?

Grund, does my logic on El Guapo make sense to you?

bb2112, I know you are semi-proven so I can trust you aren't lying but I am asking you to think through my reasoning and see if you won't join the El Guapo vote.

Moliere, voting with me will be the most uncool, arbitrary, against the rulez thing you have ever done and I promise if El Guapo turns out to be ISIS and I am wrong then I will vote for you next.

Good question, he hadn't crossed my mind until today when people started voting for him, probably since he wasn't participating much. I *prefer* Stessier but you're also right that usually El Guapo posts alot so it could be a wolfy play to stay hidden as much as possible.

He's not really defending himself, so I'll wait until the week start and give him a chance to at least talk (weekends aren't good for most people, me included).

This would otherwise be ezmating (if I understand this correctly), but since the suspicion seems to be only quiet-based - I haven't said much lately since I spent the past half week in a cabin in Maine, and I don't love to play this game via phone for the most part.

As for yesterday I spent most of the day waiting for RMC's scan. Once it came in, IIRC Trig got to n-2 or n-1 within a few hours. THEN I spent time waiting for Trig to speak. Once he spoke he was lynched within a couple hours.

So there you go. I've only skimmed Newcastle's latest koans to see if there's much substance there, but he's still raising my suspicions. I could be talked into Scoop; not feeling stessier as much, but I do need to go back and review both of their posts.

[Scoop20906]

Vorret, any reason why you won't vote El Guapo?

Grund, does my logic on El Guapo make sense to you?

bb2112, I know you are semi-proven so I can trust you aren't lying but I am asking you to think through my reasoning and see if you won't join the El Guapo vote.

Moliere, voting with me will be the most uncool, arbitrary, against the rulez thing you have ever done and I promise if El Guapo turns out to be ISIS and I am wrong then I will vote for you next.

Good question, he hadn't crossed my mind until today when people started voting for him, probably since he wasn't participating much. I *prefer* Stessier but you're also right that usually El Guapo posts alot so it could be a wolfy play to stay hidden as much as possible.

He's not really defending himself, so I'll wait until the week start and give him a chance to at least talk (weekends aren't good for most people, me included).

This would otherwise be ezmating (if I understand this correctly), but since the suspicion seems to be only quiet-based - I haven't said much lately since I spent the past half week in a cabin in Maine, and I don't love to play this game via phone for the most part.

As for yesterday I spent most of the day waiting for RMC's scan. Once it came in, IIRC Trig got to n-2 or n-1 within a few hours. THEN I spent time waiting for Trig to speak. Once he spoke he was lynched within a couple hours.

So there you go. I've only skimmed Newcastle's latest koans to see if there's much substance there, but he's still raising my suspicions. I could be talked into Scoop; not feeling stessier as much, but I do need to go back and review both of their posts.

Hey El Guapo. I'd very much like to hear what you think especially if I am wrong about it. And there is nothing wrong with claiming you were busy especially on the weekends but I will say your lack of posting is out of character and thats what caught my interest.

[stessier]

It amazes me anyone is willing to follow The Bull.

Hey Remus - where you at?

[El Guapo]

It amazes me anyone is willing to follow The Bull.

Hey Remus - where you at?

The Bull?

[Vorret]

I'm also curious as who our bull is.

[El Guapo]

So, first principles. We know RMC was good, so Remus is essentially proven. bb2112 could theoretically be a wolf, but that would require the wolves hitting Lana protection and then essentially choosing one of their own to be out center stage, knowing that Archer would be available to counter. That seems highly unlikely, so I'll put that aside.

Unagi and Grund both played a prominent role in nailing Trig to the wall. They're certainly not proven (especially with Grund being so wily), but I would lean good on them.

That leaves:

Scoop
Vorret
Moliere
Stessier
LordMortis
Newcastle
Lassr
Chaosraven
The Bull

[El Guapo]

Analyzing...

[Scoop20906]

It amazes me anyone is willing to follow The Bull.

Hey Remus - where you at?

I'll venture a guess he means Grundbegriff. Or maybe Unagi. Or maybe me?

[El Guapo]

Ok, cutting the list. Narrowing it to five:

Stessier
Scoop
Newcastle
LordMortis
Lassr

Right now this is based mainly on my general recollection of events - I should also do a reread, though that will have to wait for this evening. Stessier and Scoop both have made odd posts - stessier stands out as having a high ratio of odd to useful posts. Scoop mainly stands out for his odd trig maneuverings, though I should reread that whole exchange. Honestly it's also a significant factor that Unagi and Grund are focusing on them, I am leaning good on them, and they are both very good at this.

Newcastle and Mortis stand out slightly in my mind for high noise-to-substance. Newcastle is making a lot of wacky role playing type posts, which seems like a good way to mask low substance. For Mortis I need to check on my reread whether my recollection of his posting is accurate or not. With Lassr it's more qualitative - mostly the heebie jeebies honestly, plus Unagi is focused on him and he's the man.

Oh, and there's The Bull, of course. I definitely don't want to follow him.

I'll have more this evening.

[Holman]

Vote tally:

(4) stessier: Vorret, Grundbegriff, LordMortis, bb2112
(4) Scoop: Moliere, Lassr, stessier, Chaosraven
(3) El Guapo: Scoop, Unagi, Newcastle
(1) Newcastle: El Guapo

Not voting:
Remus West

Majority is 7

[LordMortis]

Newcastle and Mortis stand out slightly in my mind for high noise-to-substance. Newcastle is making a lot of wacky role playing type posts, which seems like a good way to mask low substance. For Mortis I need to check on my reread whether my recollection of his posting is accurate or not. With Lassr it's more qualitative - mostly the heebie jeebies honestly, plus Unagi is focused on him and he's the man.

I haven't been around enough to generate noise, so I'd think my signal to noise ratio would be way up. (Which is to say a lot more signal to a lot less noise) but that's neither here nor there. If I make all y'all's bad list (scoop, newcastle concurring with scoop, Guap, though scoop has backed off) I recommend taking stock and if you think I'm an assassin get it out there. Sooner is better than later.

[Moliere]

Moliere, voting with me will be the most uncool, arbitrary, against the rulez thing you have ever done and I promise if El Guapo turns out to be ISIS and I am wrong then I will vote for you next.

You're saying that if I follow you on your vote for ElG and it turns out to be wrong then you will vote for me next? Why would I follow you only to be your next target?

[Scoop20906]

Dude. You've been begging for votes all game and I promise to do it and now it gives you pause????


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[Lassr]

So, first principles. We know RMC was good, so Remus is essentially proven. bb2112 could theoretically be a wolf, but that would require the wolves hitting Lana protection and then essentially choosing one of their own to be out center stage, knowing that Archer would be available to counter. That seems highly unlikely, so I'll put that aside.

Unagi and Grund both played a prominent role in nailing Trig to the wall. They're certainly not proven (especially with Grund being so wily), but I would lean good on them.

That leaves:

Scoop
Vorret
Moliere
Stessier
LordMortis
Newcastle
Lassr
Chaosraven
The Bull

I just want to remind folks that it is fine to have some players leaning good but don't take your attention away from them. Hate for Unagi and Grund to be the last two assassins and we give give them a free ride to the end.

I am willing to change my vote from Scoop to EL Guapo or Stessier to test out their intuition.

[Vorret]

So, first principles. We know RMC was good, so Remus is essentially proven. bb2112 could theoretically be a wolf, but that would require the wolves hitting Lana protection and then essentially choosing one of their own to be out center stage, knowing that Archer would be available to counter. That seems highly unlikely, so I'll put that aside.

Unagi and Grund both played a prominent role in nailing Trig to the wall. They're certainly not proven (especially with Grund being so wily), but I would lean good on them.

That leaves:

Scoop
Vorret
Moliere
Stessier
LordMortis
Newcastle
Lassr
Chaosraven
The Bull

I just want to remind folks that it is fine to have some players leaning good but don't take your attention away from them. Hate for Unagi and Grund to be the last two assassins and we give give them a free ride to the end.

I am willing to change my vote from Scoop to EL Guapo or Stessier to test out their intuition.

Of course, but Unagi got the ball rolling on Triggercut who turned out to be an assassin, I'm not saying he's 100% in the clear but he sure is leading good, good.

Grund I'm skeptical though, still, I'd rather vote for Stessier right now, he's triggering my wolfdar.

[El Guapo]

So, first principles. We know RMC was good, so Remus is essentially proven. bb2112 could theoretically be a wolf, but that would require the wolves hitting Lana protection and then essentially choosing one of their own to be out center stage, knowing that Archer would be available to counter. That seems highly unlikely, so I'll put that aside.

Unagi and Grund both played a prominent role in nailing Trig to the wall. They're certainly not proven (especially with Grund being so wily), but I would lean good on them.

That leaves:

Scoop
Vorret
Moliere
Stessier
LordMortis
Newcastle
Lassr
Chaosraven
The Bull

I just want to remind folks that it is fine to have some players leaning good but don't take your attention away from them. Hate for Unagi and Grund to be the last two assassins and we give give them a free ride to the end.

I am willing to change my vote from Scoop to EL Guapo or Stessier to test out their intuition.

That's fair enough. They're definitely not proven (and Grund is certainly smart enough to play the long game), but they are leaning good for me. I appreciate the reminder to not get too firm on anyone too early, though.

[Moliere]

Dude. You've been begging for votes all game and I promise to do it and now it gives you pause????

Got it. Was wondering about the logic. Thanks for explaining.

[Scoop20906]

So, first principles. We know RMC was good, so Remus is essentially proven. bb2112 could theoretically be a wolf, but that would require the wolves hitting Lana protection and then essentially choosing one of their own to be out center stage, knowing that Archer would be available to counter. That seems highly unlikely, so I'll put that aside.

Unagi and Grund both played a prominent role in nailing Trig to the wall. They're certainly not proven (especially with Grund being so wily), but I would lean good on them.

That leaves:

Scoop
Vorret
Moliere
Stessier
LordMortis
Newcastle
Lassr
Chaosraven
The Bull

I just want to remind folks that it is fine to have some players leaning good but don't take your attention away from them. Hate for Unagi and Grund to be the last two assassins and we give give them a free ride to the end.

I am willing to change my vote from Scoop to EL Guapo or Stessier to test out their intuition.

If you are willing, why don't you change your vote now?

[LordMortis]

Hate for Unagi and Grund to be the last two assassins and we give give them a free ride to the end.

I figure we have two days for Mallory tell us what's going on with regard to Unagi unless the assassins elect not to kill bb2112 or Remus to play mind games with Mallory's identity. I don't have the faith in Grund but nether is he at the top of my personal list.

If you are willing, why don't you change your vote now?

I am also willing but my preference is still Stess. Get back to me if we end up in stale matey situation. I don't consider Monday morning stale matey.

[Lassr]

So, first principles. We know RMC was good, so Remus is essentially proven. bb2112 could theoretically be a wolf, but that would require the wolves hitting Lana protection and then essentially choosing one of their own to be out center stage, knowing that Archer would be available to counter. That seems highly unlikely, so I'll put that aside.

Unagi and Grund both played a prominent role in nailing Trig to the wall. They're certainly not proven (especially with Grund being so wily), but I would lean good on them.

That leaves:

Scoop
Vorret
Moliere
Stessier
LordMortis
Newcastle
Lassr
Chaosraven
The Bull

I just want to remind folks that it is fine to have some players leaning good but don't take your attention away from them. Hate for Unagi and Grund to be the last two assassins and we give give them a free ride to the end.

I am willing to change my vote from Scoop to EL Guapo or Stessier to test out their intuition.

If you are willing, why don't you change your vote now?

I'm trying to decide which way to go. You are pushing more for El Guapo and Unagi and Grund were leaning more Stessier.

[stessier]

It amazes me anyone is willing to follow The Bull.

Hey Remus - where you at?

I'll venture a guess he means Grundbegriff. Or maybe Unagi. Or maybe me?

Of course it is you...it's always you! (Although a search showed that to be a lie, I'm sticking with it.)

But beyond that, it's a good play on words.

[Lassr]

My pool of players I feel the most uncomfortable with are:

Scoop, Grund, Newcastle

2nd tier everyone else except BB & Remus and I'll add Unagi to the 3rd tier.

I do agree Unagi really looks like he is on our side but I cannot put 100% trust in him. More like 60%. The fact that he lists me so high on his list is what makes me leery of him. Using some excuse about my interaction with triggercut which was so very limited.

[Scoop20906]

It amazes me anyone is willing to follow The Bull.

Hey Remus - where you at?

I'll venture a guess he means Grundbegriff. Or maybe Unagi. Or maybe me?

Of course it is you...it's always you! (Although a search showed that to be a lie, I'm sticking with it.)

But beyond that, it's a good play on words.

THIS was that moment and I was right back then too. If history is repeating itself I should be voting for you stess.

And this proves also that whether I'm right or wrong NO ONE BELIEVES ME. I should sell cars.


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[Newcastle]

/exits heat of bear
/slowly stretches his arms and toes

"Substance. What is substance? Is it posting? Is it naming suspects? Is it pointing out incongruities? Is it placing votes? Is it being present? If that's one's definition of substance? Than I am a definition of substance.

 stessier 
 

(n-2)

for now El Guapo's posts have sated my desire for his substance to the game.


/folds hands together
/relaxes into grinning sloth

[Holman]

Vote tally:

(5) stessier: Vorret, Grundbegriff, LordMortis, bb2112, newcastle
(4) Scoop: Moliere, Lassr, stessier, Chaosraven
(3) El Guapo: Scoop, Unagi, Newcastle

Not voting:
Remus West

Majority is 7

[Newcastle]

THIS was that moment and I was right back then too. If history is repeating itself I should be voting for you stess.

And this proves also that whether I'm right or wrong NO ONE BELIEVES ME. I should sell cars.

Scoop - work on your breathing. If you are right or wrong, it doesn't matter. Being able to perceive is a solid step in the transcendance.

[Scoop20906]

Ohhmm Ohhmm


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[Newcastle]

Vote tally:

(5) stessier: Vorret, Grundbegriff, LordMortis, bb2112, newcastle
(4) Scoop: Moliere, Lassr, stessier, Chaosraven
(3) El Guapo: Scoop, Unagi, Newcastle

Not voting:
Remus West

Majority is 7

/feels the lifegiving force
/humbly states

Alas my powers of double voting should not be allowed. It would be unfair, especially since I am one with all.

[Lassr]

 stessier 
 


and reading that link, I miss Qantaga.
and theohall hasn't been around in a while.

anywho, I will board the stessier train.

[Newcastle]

My pool of players I feel the most uncomfortable with are:

Scoop, Grund, Newcastle

2nd tier everyone else except BB & Remus and I'll add Unagi to the 3rd tier.

I do agree Unagi really looks like he is on our side but I cannot put 100% trust in him. More like 60%. The fact that he lists me so high on his list is what makes me leery of him. Using some excuse about my interaction with triggercut which was so very limited.

 stessier 
 


anywho, I will board the stessier train.

/feels another shift in the waves of the cosmos

"but why Stessier lassr? If he is not in a top 3? With vagueness you are approaching your choices.

/clucks tongue

[Newcastle]

Lassr said-
and reading that link, I miss Qantaga.
and theohall hasn't been around in a while.

/OOC

Theohall hasn't been around since December i think. I checked a bit ago since I'd not seen him around for a while. Might even be july of last year since he played.
Lagom has also gone awol as well. (at least from playing, i've not seen him around)
Truicy hasnt been playing; proner, semaj the list grows....

Lots of fallen and fadded away comrades

[Newcastle]

 withdraw stessier 
 



 Lassr 
 


Because.....his motives feel murky within the cosmos.

/a smile spreads
/fully engages in the grinning sloth

[Chaosraven]

Before anyone does anything dumb, that's n-1 right?

[Newcastle]

Before anyone does anything dumb, that's n-1 right?

N-2

[Lassr]

"but why Stessier lassr? If he is not in a top 3? With vagueness you are approaching your choices.

/clucks tongue

It is more from the push of Unagi and Grund. I am willing to see if it bares fruit.
As I have stated many times in the past, I find it harder and harder to guess who the bad guys are these days as you get more and more games under your belt. Less mistakes are made. It is more intuition. If Unagi and Grund feel certain that they see something which stessier then I am willing to see if they are right.
So a stessier vote may provide me more info right now.

My list:
The only thing I had on Scoop was those few posts I mentioned that just didn't feel right but you know how many times in the past I have thought for sure Scoop was evil and ended up wrong? More times than I was right. Grund is sneaky and I have a hard time trusting him until he is proven. And as for you this game, the thought crosses my mind that you are hiding behind your narratives in this game.

Weak explanations but that is where I am right now.

[Chaosraven]

 stessier 
 


Ok, let's hear the n-1

[Remus West]

It amazes me anyone is willing to follow The Bull.

Hey Remus - where you at?

Reading and avoiding influencing too much. As I'm known ISIS I don't want folks using "follow Remus" as their battle cry. Too much experience with how that works out for me.