JLA The Revenge of the Crime Syndicate GAMEOVER

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:26 pm

stessier wrote:
RMC wrote:In. But I go on vacation to the land of the mouse on the 8th until the 18th. So if that will create an issue, then you might not want to include me.

I will have internet access, but only at night during vacation.
Okay - no matter what he is it will be great to shoot him while he is at the Happiest Place on Earth.

Heh, I am a normal villager. Shoot me if you want someone safe.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:36 pm

Great, now I don't want to kill him

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:54 pm

Vorret wrote:Great, now I don't want to kill him

Fine. Shoot Trig.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:31 pm

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:33 pm

What's your feeling Stessier?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:57 am

If we think RMC is really a normal I don't feel we should use the shot on him. Unagi is giving me the heebie jeebies. Where's Newcastle Unagi truth detector when we need it!

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:47 am

Lassr wrote:Unagi is giving me the heebie jeebies.

I thought I was the only one.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:35 am

To be honest I am probably biased against RMC because of the last superhero game, insofar as his brilliant red rocket spoof conclusively proved that he is in fact the devil. So RMC claiming normal doesn't really change my comfort level with shooting him, and I do worry that if we keep thrashing about, with our comparatively small pool (minus the two apparent hawkpeople) we're bound to expose our remaining 1 - 2 special(s).

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:38 am

Incidentally, one other weakness with the shot - I am pretty sure that we won't get any information out of it (other than proving stessier and Vorret's respective roles):

DEATH REVEALS: If Both Atom and Batman are in the Game, Hero Special Ability Kills will reveal VILLAIN/NORMAL/HERO. Otherwise Only LYNCHES reveal VILLAIN/NORMAL/HERO.

Assuming that stessier is telling the truth about being contacted by Martian Manhunter (which I don't think there's much reason to doubt at the moment), then it's not possible for both Atom and Manhunter to be in the game (since our roster would be Hawkpeople, MM, and possibly one other special TBD).

So, even if we get the shot right, I don't think we will know it.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:44 am

Vorret wrote:Great, now I don't want to kill him

I mean, were you thinking he was going to come out and claim a role? It's highly unlikely there is anything left to claim. So his statement changes my mind not at all. I'm still down with letting him focus on The Mouse.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:56 am

I know. He just seemed really nonchalant about it.

If you're confident, give the order I'm backing up shooting RMC 100%

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:00 am

I'm...uh...not sure how we do that.

I know we both have to publicly declare ourselves. Let's try the Shazaam thing and see if Chaos accepts it.

I am HAWKMAN and I loose my arrow at RMC

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:06 am

I'm on a phone so I'll do my best

I am hawkwoman shoot the RMC

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:08 am

stessier wrote:I'm...uh...not sure how we do that. I know we both have to publicly declare ourselves. Let's try the Shazaam thing and see if Chaos accepts it.

I am HAWKMAN and I loose my arrow at RMC

I'm pretty sure that hawkman doesn't use arrows. Right?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:10 am

I swore I did. I spent an awful lot on this sweet leather quiver.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:26 am

stessier wrote:I swore I did. I spent an awful lot on this sweet leather quiver.

I think I've only ever seen pictures of you and your spouse using maces.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:04 am

Bah, we've lived a hundred lives - you think there is a record of every one?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:43 am

El Guapo wrote:
stessier wrote:I swore I did. I spent an awful lot on this sweet leather quiver.
I think I've only ever seen pictures of you and your spouse using maces.

it is quite obvious now that stessier is an imposter.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:58 am

Ha, that's exactly what I was going to say too. Creepy - eh Lassr?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:15 pm

RMC HAS DIED

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:17 pm

VOTES
0 Vorret -----------
0 Grundbegriff
0 El Guapo -------
0 triggercut ------
0 moliere ---------
0 stessier
0 lassr
0 bb2112 ----------
0 unagi ------------

------------
Majority is Five

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:20 pm

We really get no info

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:21 pm

stessier wrote:Bah, we've lived a hundred lives - you think there is a record of every one?

I stand partially corrected. Per Chaosraven's picture, Vorret appears to be using a spear.

Still no arrows!

#WhereAreTheArrows #ArrowGate

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:22 pm

Vorret wrote:We really get no info

Yup. Except that you and Stessier are really Hawkpeople. Also that Batman and Atom are not both in the game, although we essentially already knew that.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:30 pm

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:53 pm

Chaosraven wrote:

That's clearly doctored. Also that's only Vorret and not stessier.

That important issue aside, I'll do a re-read this evening and see who stands out.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:14 pm

0 Vorret - Hawkwoman
0 stessier - Hawkman

Remaining:
0 Grundbegriff
0 El Guapo -------
0 triggercut ------
0 moliere ---------
0 lassr
0 bb2112 ----------
0 unagi ------------

Unagi

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:54 pm

The ever active bb2112

Aside from vorret, I don't think I've seen as active a player in this sleepy game.
Until the stessier reveal, I thought for sure you were a special.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:00 pm

Why does the Stessier's reveal change your opinion?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:57 pm

Ok.
I've been struggling with this all day.

I'm the 4th hero, and the big fucking joke is that I'm Wonder Woman. Har har.

My first scan was on Martian Manhunter.
(The 2nd, a normal)

I can Guarantee that MM is NOT bb2112 and also not Moliere. (stessier can confirm)

I seriously shouldn't say any more than that I don't think. My massive concern is a double kill tonight.

So there.

I've definitely been trying to play things a little low.

If 'First Night Contact' was bb2112 or Moliere, stessier should maybe intervene , cause I think MM would be dead if FNC was evil.

I'm open to ridicule if I played this wrong, but I honestly thought of coming out with this right after reading stessiers reveal.

Anyhow. I've certainly not been looking forward to this part of the game.

And, if anyone counters me, they are evil.

Regarding my 'Normal' scan:
I'm torn.
If I die tonight I don't want his name lost forever, so I want to name him.
If I name him, it would further help narrow down a 'who is MM' hunt.

I'm open to opinion, but may not take it.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:04 pm

Ok then...

Withdraw Unagi

So we have 4 heroes?

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:09 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Players:

The Number of Heroes will be: 3-4
The Number of Villains will be: 2-3

If Unagi is to be believed we have 4 heroes out of 12.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:11 pm

Unagi wrote:Ok.
I've been struggling with this all day.

I'm the 4th hero, and the big fucking joke is that I'm Wonder Woman. Har har.

My first scan was on Martian Manhunter.
(The 2nd, a normal)

I can Guarantee that MM is NOT bb2112 and also not Moliere. (stessier can confirm)

I seriously shouldn't say any more than that I don't think. My massive concern is a double kill tonight.

So there.

I've definitely been trying to play things a little low.

If 'First Night Contact' was bb2112 or Moliere, stessier should maybe intervene , cause I think MM would be dead if FNC was evil.

I'm open to ridicule if I played this wrong, but I honestly thought of coming out with this right after reading stessiers reveal.

Anyhow. I've certainly not been looking forward to this part of the game.

And, if anyone counters me, they are evil.

Regarding my 'Normal' scan:
I'm torn.
If I die tonight I don't want his name lost forever, so I want to name him.
If I name him, it would further help narrow down a 'who is MM' hunt.

I'm open to opinion, but may not take it.

You name him and Stess can confirm. 4 provens.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:13 pm

Sorry, 5 provens including your scan.

Oh crap. Except there was a conversion. So nobody is proven.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:42 pm

Well, ok then. I guess first step is to see whether anyone disputes Unagi's claim.

Also, I just want to remind everyone that we're all on our honor system regarding the conversion. I expect anyone who has been converted to do the honorable thing and come forward.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:44 pm

bb2112 wrote:
Unagi wrote:Ok.
I've been struggling with this all day.

I'm the 4th hero, and the big fucking joke is that I'm Wonder Woman. Har har.

My first scan was on Martian Manhunter.
(The 2nd, a normal)

I can Guarantee that MM is NOT bb2112 and also not Moliere. (stessier can confirm)

I seriously shouldn't say any more than that I don't think. My massive concern is a double kill tonight.

So there.

I've definitely been trying to play things a little low.

If 'First Night Contact' was bb2112 or Moliere, stessier should maybe intervene , cause I think MM would be dead if FNC was evil.

I'm open to ridicule if I played this wrong, but I honestly thought of coming out with this right after reading stessiers reveal.

Anyhow. I've certainly not been looking forward to this part of the game.

And, if anyone counters me, they are evil.

Regarding my 'Normal' scan:
I'm torn.
If I die tonight I don't want his name lost forever, so I want to name him.
If I name him, it would further help narrow down a 'who is MM' hunt.

I'm open to opinion, but may not take it.
You name him and Stess can confirm. 4 provens.

Except unless I'm missing something he shouldn't name him, because:

Martian Manhunter - Martian Manhunter has Telepathy and must contact One Other Player each Night. He may contact the same person on consecutive nights. If either Martian Manhunter or his Contact are killed by the Villains that Night, both will die. If one is protected the protection does not extend to the other.

Also:

Wonder Woman - Each night, Wonder Woman can compel truth regarding the Role of any other Player. If that Player is targeted for attack by the Villains that evening, the attack will fail. Wonder Woman cannot check the same Player twice in the Game.

So if Unagi is telling the truth, a named Martian Manhunter would mean a guaranteed double night kill, since he already scanned / protected MM and this would put us at our hero quota, meaning there's no Flash around.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:43 pm

We could get lucky and MM could contact a villain when killed.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:31 pm

Unagi wrote:Unagi cross dressing reveal

The patriotic bikini is probably what was creeping me out.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:35 pm

So if Unagi releases his normal and the first night contact of MM steps up, if still alive, and not the same as Unagi, then that could give us a larger voting block. MM would need to stay hidden but his hiding place would have shrunk quite a bit.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:36 pm

bb2112 wrote:You name him and Stess can confirm. 4 provens.

Seeing as though I am concerned about even giving out my Normal scan - because I am concerned about exposing MM, I would think it's obvious I'm concerned about exposing MM directly.
However, what you are pointing out is exactly the thing that's been driving me nuts, because I can also give us an additional scan with that 'proof', but 1) nothing I say is proven until I die, and 2) the conversion could mean that MM or one of the two love birds is not worthy of our care, (or me, for that matter). I'm just not really going down that road too far at this point. Either way, there are 2-3 Villains that started the game not as Heroes or Normal, and we should look for them in some manner. (and while RMC was perhaps one, I still sorta fear he wasn't)

So, on balance I just don't like the idea at all of handing them the name of MM; but I so struggled with that opinion. Ultimately I felt this was a good compromise. I like sorta 'half proving' myself to stessier and perhaps MM by stating that I know MM is not the 2 players I've 'presented'. What I don't like is the me 'taking control' part of that.
The alternative is attractive to me, but it's riddled with problems too. That's why I was open to hearing options, but I feel like I've already mulled over many of them. (still listening)

El Guapo wrote:So if Unagi is telling the truth, a named Martian Manhunter would mean a guaranteed double night kill, since he already scanned / protected MM and this would put us at our hero quota, meaning there's no Flash around.

Yes, the fact that I knew MM and knew that I could never protect him is exactly what was behind this statement:

Unagi wrote:You should not reveal the name of Martian Manhunter at this time (if ever).
He must contact a player each night, and if Martian is killed they would both die.