I can't see the picture at work but I'm sure I'll love it.PLW wrote:A Tarheel complaining about the referee. Ironic. I'll just leave this here:

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I can't see the picture at work but I'm sure I'll love it.PLW wrote:A Tarheel complaining about the referee. Ironic. I'll just leave this here:
That may advantage certain players but does not implicitly favor one team over another. Allowing the preset insta-kill order implicitly favors the side with that ability over the other.Holman wrote:But don't timestamps create the same race-to-post problem?
A player who happens to log on 30 seconds after the day begins gains an advantage. The player who can't check OO at work faces a huge handicap.
I'd favor either a strict order of operations or strict simultaneous resolution.
Scoop20906 wrote:For the next game, I'll be using timestamps to determine order of operation. No pre-orders unless it is something we already have an order for.
I don't mind pre orders like "vote reaches n-2 I act" but pre orders that impact the ability of the other team to react to events are inherently unbalanced if only given - and in this case offered - to a single team. Vader was offered that he could pre order the choke if he were worried about losing the race. I was not offered the option of preposting if worried I would lose the race. The entire game literally turned on that offer to the Imperial side rather than the Rebel. It actually became a double night kill as there was - again literally - no time between post of day begins and post of choke out.LordMortis wrote:Scoop20906 wrote:For the next game, I'll be using timestamps to determine order of operation. No pre-orders unless it is something we already have an order for.
I've always liked pre-orders as they keep a game's tempo going. When I play and have a role, I use them a lot with the grace of the admin.
I thought the idea of allowing the player to post the insta kill takes care of that. It allows Vader to choke the player out the moment they want and does not rely upon the mod. I'm not sure how you would go about making everyone aware of the power being used without having it fire until later as per your example. Who would post the use?Isgrimnur wrote:Set an order of operations and a firing time. If Vader wants to choke someone out, he puts in the order, and it fires at, say, 7 PM CST on the calendar day after the day phase starts. That way, it's not timed based on Vader presence, or mod presence.
Whereas now, if Vader wants to choke someone out at 2 pm to shut them out, and the mod doesn't pick it up until 6, the target gets four more hours to run his mouth.
and I've lost games and/or been killed because I was busy and couldn't get on to make a point or act. That, to me, is part of the game.Zarathud wrote:Think of it as Vader using the Force.
Personally, the real-time element screwed up an afternoon at the office as I was waiting for PLW to show up and choke the shit out of you, Remus. Fortunately I was holding for someone to get back to me anyway.
When has the player ever had the ability to actually have the post take effect? That's major meta-game breaking, as anyone could temporarily silence a player by faking the role. If the Empire knows Vader is in class until 6, one of the others could "choke" you out at 3 and effectively silence you until either the mod arrives to clarify or the other player to actually show up.Remus West wrote:I thought the idea of allowing the player to post the insta kill takes care of that. It allows Vader to choke the player out the moment they want and does not rely upon the mod. I'm not sure how you would go about making everyone aware of the power being used without having it fire until later as per your example. Who would post the use?Isgrimnur wrote:Set an order of operations and a firing time. If Vader wants to choke someone out, he puts in the order, and it fires at, say, 7 PM CST on the calendar day after the day phase starts. That way, it's not timed based on Vader presence, or mod presence.
Whereas now, if Vader wants to choke someone out at 2 pm to shut them out, and the mod doesn't pick it up until 6, the target gets four more hours to run his mouth.
Clearly you would not be allowed to fake the choke/kill as the players would have no method to know the true use of the ability vs a fake. The results would always await the mod but the role of saying "player X is now dead" could be posted by the acting player. Thus, you could fake claim Vader but not fake execute his ability - thus giving away your fake of his role.Isgrimnur wrote:When has the player ever had the ability to actually have the post take effect? That's major meta-game breaking, as anyone could temporarily silence a player by faking the role. If the Empire knows Vader is in class until 6, one of the others could "choke" you out at 3 and effectively silence you until either the mod arrives to clarify or the other player to actually show up.Remus West wrote:I thought the idea of allowing the player to post the insta kill takes care of that. It allows Vader to choke the player out the moment they want and does not rely upon the mod. I'm not sure how you would go about making everyone aware of the power being used without having it fire until later as per your example. Who would post the use?Isgrimnur wrote:Set an order of operations and a firing time. If Vader wants to choke someone out, he puts in the order, and it fires at, say, 7 PM CST on the calendar day after the day phase starts. That way, it's not timed based on Vader presence, or mod presence.
Whereas now, if Vader wants to choke someone out at 2 pm to shut them out, and the mod doesn't pick it up until 6, the target gets four more hours to run his mouth.
Mods post the results of power use. Period. It's why those who have been voted off can still talk until the mod shows up to shut down voting.