Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

PLW · Post by **PLW** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:49 pm

This feels like a no brainer, which makes me hesitate. The story that makes RMC the spoofer is obvious. What's the story that makes Lassr the spoofer? We have time. Let's think it through.

PLW · Post by **PLW** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:51 pm

Ohh.. I guess speed is an issue with the potential Boba defense. I don't think Vader will choke, though.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:52 pm

Obviously the bad guys didn't try to kill RMC last night.

Question: Can Qui Gon protect himself?

I assume (from the rules post) that he can, and the wolves might have believed so too, so RMC's survival today isn't definitive proof that he is a wolf.

There's also this: Qui-Gon's protection choice cannot be lynched the following day. If RMC is truly Qui-Gon, he protected himself (as he would have), and we try to lynch him, we'll miss a lynch, but at least he'll survive. He'll then be killed in the night, of course, but that will take the place of someone else they might have killed, and we will also have proof that Lassr is a wolf.

This all seems a good reason to vote RMC. Am I wrong?

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:56 pm

Day 4 Votes:
1. El Guapo ------> RMC
2. Remus West -->
3. Chaosraven --->
4. Lassr -----------> RMC
5. Moliere --------> RMC
6. Archinerd ----->
7. Scoop20906 --->
8. RMC ------------>
9. Isgrimnur ------> RMC
10. PLW ----------->
11. Holman -------> RMC
12. Zarathud ------>

Votes:

1 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr

7 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned

Deadline:
Deadline: Tuesday, March 28th, 8PM EDT

PLW · Post by **PLW** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:02 pm

Yeah.. that's very convincing. It also make a spoof by Lassr very unlikely. It reveals him to no real purpose. Unless we believe that the Lassr/wolves made a mistake, not realizing that an attempted lynch of a real RMC/QG would fail and prove him good and Lassr bad. They have made what seem like a number of apparent mistakes so far... missing the chance to kill MM in a way that doesn't verify anyone, wasting an overvote. But this whole line seems pretty tenuous.

I'm convinced enough...and time is important.

RMC

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:19 pm

RMC

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:26 pm

ehhhh, I was popping in here to suggest to people to not lynch RMC too quickly, as we should give him a chance to say something, and for everyone to weigh in. BUT...he's already at n (7 votes). So..... that's that, then. Looks pretty solid at the moment, in any event.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:28 pm

If he's not a wolf, Lassr is. Either way we learned something.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:33 pm

Huh. That went way too fast. Did we just get whipsawed by the wolves? I hope not.

Wouldn't we have wanted Boba or Vader to come out and reveal themselves?

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:39 pm

Ah, get it. Looking to prove the afterglow. Seriously, my head is spinning right now.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:50 pm

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:50 pm

You're only mostly dead until the mod shows up.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:58 pm

Voting is closed!

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:02 pm

Day 4 Votes - Final:
1. El Guapo ------> RMC
2. Remus West -->
3. Chaosraven --->
4. Lassr -----------> RMC
5. Moliere --------> RMC
6. Archinerd -----> RMC
7. Scoop20906 --->
8. RMC ------------>
9. Isgrimnur ------> RMC
10. PLW -----------> RMC
11. Holman -------> RMC
12. Zarathud ------>

Votes:

7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

7 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned

Deadline:
Deadline: Tuesday, March 28th, 8PM EDT

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:15 pm

I guess we didn't need the deadline for once.

Ok I guess I trust Lassr too but I friggin miss the chance to vote for RMC!!! GRRRRRRRR why is fate unkind to me!?!?

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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:18 pm

Oh man. And the imps killed Punisher. Those dudes are cold hearted!

It will be fun to hear Punisher's opinion after the game. Good game dude.

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Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:21 pm

bb2112 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:if I wasn't so found of killing people, I might suggest we check peoples pockets while they are still alive.
Shhhh, these are not the pockets you are looking for.

These are not the pockets I am looking for.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:23 pm

They must have scanned Punisher and discovered he was a Special.

I don't see why wolves would opt to kill a good newbie otherwise, especially when people had been talking all along about suspecting him.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:24 pm

Did we just get played?

11 at night
10 in am
Force choke to 9
Need 5, four imps plus overvote.

Game over.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:26 pm

The protected person cannot be the target of a lynch the following day. If a lynch is attempted on the protected, it fails and it goes to night. Players will be told the lynch was blocked, Qui-Gon’s identity will be revealed. I

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:36 pm

Punisher wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Also, I'd love to see some threat lists from everyone today.

We haven't hit an Imp yet. We are down one special that we know of. Maybe more. The Imps seem to have made a mistake proving Moliere. Lets see if we can make them pay for it.
At this point, the only who would know what roles were removed is OB1, correct?
Is it worth it for him to post his results or is this along the same vein where specials should never reveal themselves unless threatened?

This is the post I think Punisher inadvertently revealed himself as special, or at least hinted at the possibility.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:40 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Did we just get played?

11 at night
10 in am
Force choke to 9
Need 5, four imps plus overvote.

Game over.

Seriously. I am freaking terrified at how this went down. And I'm still grinding away at work, dammit!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:41 pm

Archinerd wrote:
Punisher wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Also, I'd love to see some threat lists from everyone today.

We haven't hit an Imp yet. We are down one special that we know of. Maybe more. The Imps seem to have made a mistake proving Moliere. Lets see if we can make them pay for it.
At this point, the only who would know what roles were removed is OB1, correct?
Is it worth it for him to post his results or is this along the same vein where specials should never reveal themselves unless threatened?
This is the post I think Punisher inadvertently revealed himself as special, or at least hinted at the possibility.

I'll bet they scanned him after this, and he was probably somebody.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:42 pm

Holman wrote:Obviously the bad guys didn't try to kill RMC last night.

Question: Can Qui Gon protect himself?

I assume (from the rules post) that he can, and the wolves might have believed so too, so RMC's survival today isn't definitive proof that he is a wolf.

There's also this: Qui-Gon's protection choice cannot be lynched the following day. If RMC is truly Qui-Gon, he protected himself (as he would have), and we try to lynch him, we'll miss a lynch, but at least he'll survive. He'll then be killed in the night, of course, but that will take the place of someone else they might have killed, and we will also have proof that Lassr is a wolf.

This all seems a good reason to vote RMC. Am I wrong?

Just repeating my logic because things moved fast.

It works unless a Qui-Gon RMC somehow decided not to protect himself the night after outing himself.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:51 pm

Qui-Gon can protect himself.

So who will I protect tonight? Myself?

I said I protected Remus last night. Did I?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:52 pm

Taking a while for BB to do the write up. Wonder if a bad guy got an order in? but I would think he wouldn't show voting as closed if the order came in before the lynch votes.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:54 pm

It's making me think RMC is Bobafett.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:04 pm

7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

Holman, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:11 pm

Chaosraven wrote:
bb2112 wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:if I wasn't so found of killing people, I might suggest we check peoples pockets while they are still alive.
Shhhh, these are not the pockets you are looking for.
These are not the pockets I am looking for.

Move along.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:14 pm

After what seemed only minutes post day break, El Guapo opens the day's discussion, “So, anyone want to call RMC’s claim of being Qui Gon into question?”

“Oh, oh, pick me, pick me!” Lassr shouts with his hand up in the air.

El Guapo gives him a rye look, “Do you have something to contribute?”

“As a matter of fact I do,” quips Lassr with a huge smile on his face. “RMC is not who he claims. I am Qui Gon and that man is an imposter!” Lassr stands up pointing at RMC. RMC gives one look of shock and feints dead away.

Exhausted from the last several days, the votes come pouring in one right after another. Before RMC even has a chance to wake from his feint, the vote was in. He was doooomed. DOOOOMED!

PLW pulls out a meat tenderizer he must have stolen from the kitchen and starts beating RMC’s head flat. “This one will never eat kittens again!”

Chaosraven watches with fascination. He leans over to Remus West, “That one has some anger issues.” Remus just nods and slowly backs away as blood starts to splatter like a Gallagher show.

El Guapo pulls PLW away, “It’s over PLW. He is dead.” El Guapo turns back to the body and starts to search it for any kind of identification. He quickly pulls out a necklace with the Imperial symbol from RMC’s shirt. There can be no doubt, RMC was an Imperial!

RMC is dead and he was an Imperial

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:16 pm

Chaosraven wrote:7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

Holman, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd.

RMC is dead and he was an Imperial

Rarely have I been so glad to be so wrong.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:16 pm

It is now night.

Night: Events happen in turn order
Qui-Gon Jinn: Who will you protect from the night kill?
Mon Mothma: Will you sacrifice yourself for the rebel cause?
Imperials: Who will you kill?
Obi-Wan Kenobi: Which recently deceased will you scan for their identity?
Talon Karrde: Who will you scan to discern their identity?
Joruus C'baoth: If you can, who will you scan to discern their identity?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:21 pm

Chaosraven wrote:7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

Holman, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd.

Shouldn't you wait for the result on RMC before telling us what it means?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:23 pm

Holman wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

Holman, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd.
Shouldn't you wait for the result on RMC before telling us what it means?

Note that I was responding to Chaosraven's post that was made BEFORE the result.

I'm glad to see that I was right on RMC!

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:25 pm

Holman wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

Holman, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd.
Shouldn't you wait for the result on RMC before telling us what it means?

Based on the speed and my paranoia of that being the last play of the game, that was my guess at Lassr faking QG and getting RMC lynched in speed mode.

But to avoid Vader et al, that worked well, as RMC lied.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:25 pm

So we have a moment of breathing room.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:31 pm

Good. We saved kittens. We get a cookie for that, right?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:45 pm

So Lassr is Qui Gon and presumably is protecting himself tonight.

I'm guessing Punisher was a Special. Maybe Obi Wan.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:49 pm

Vorret was Mon Mothma.

If Newcastle, Grund, or Tru1cy was Talon Kardddde, we're in a bad way. What do we know about those possibilities?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:07 pm

Do we have any reveals that will help us so I can protect them tonight?