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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 3

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:10 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:and for The Record: I'd have rather tested RMC today (and kinda wanted to test Scoop, but didn't want to be rude) :D

Could ya just stick on one for more then a second please? I was just about to join you. :doh:


Archinerd wrote:Well, it looks like momentum on Unagi is failing again. I really hope he's good. On to my #2 then, which some of you have hinted that you would support a vote on.
 Withdraw Unagi 
 

 RMC 
 
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Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:and for The Record: I'd have rather tested RMC today (and kinda wanted to test Scoop, but didn't want to be rude) :D
Could ya just stick on one for more then a second please? I was just about to join you. :doh:
Sorry, join me and Archinerd now then.

 RMC 
 


If the Zarathud train takes off and this RMC train goes no where, I will return - but as I said - I'd rather test RMC.
Scoop20906 wrote:Dude, stick with me this time.

 Accuse RMC 
 


Chaosraven wrote: RMC 
 


And THEN Zarathud.
Remus West wrote:
Archinerd wrote:Yep. RMC is too quiet and also quick to jump on the latest Unagi bandwagon.

There were 5 of us on the bandwagon, here's my quick read on each.
Me: I am not a wolf and I trust myself.
Zarathud: I get a wolfy vibe from him but with his latest post I feel like he is actually trying to figure things out. If he was a wolf I would think he would have tried to lay low since it's tax season.
Moliere: Proven good guy
RMC: Too quiet, and relatively quick to jump on the vote.
Holman: Has me convinced he is good... for now.
Fine.
 RMC 
 


That puts him at 5/8. n-3
Lassr wrote: RMC 
 


N-2 I believe so please no more votes right now.
Lightning RMC train as the day 3 deadline approaches. Of note, Scoop plays a material role in getting this going, by giving RMC some verbal heat, then placing a significant vote, placing I think the third vote.

Also of note: of the fall guys, the wolves' first choice would be Zarathud (Boba Fett). Then probably PLW I would guess (since Vader can use his power as he's going down). RMC (Joruus) probably second-to-last or last as a fall guy, since his scan could be very useful (though you could debate whether having Dooku around at the end is maybe more valuable).

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 3

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:11 pm

bb2112 wrote:Day 3 Votes:
1. El Guapo ------>
2. Remus West --> El Guapo, Zarathud, RMC
3. Chaosraven ---> RMC
4. Lassr -----------> Zarathud, El Guapo, RMC
5. Moliere --------> Unagi
6. Archinerd -----> Unagi, RMC
7. Scoop20906 ---> El Guapo, RMC
8. RMC ------------> Unagi
9. Isgrimnur ------> Zarathud
10. PLW -----------> El Guapo
11. Punisher ------>
12. Holman -------> Unagi
13. Unagi ----------> RMC, Zarathud, RMC
14. Zarathud ------> Unagi

Votes:
6 RMC - Archinerd, Unagi, Scoop20906, Chaosraven, Remus West, Lassr
4 Unagi - Zarathud, Moliere, RMC, Holman
1 El Guapo - PLW
1 Zarathud - Isgrimnur


8 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed

Deadline:
Deadline: Monday, March 20th, 8PM EDT
Isgrimnur wrote: Unagi 
 


Let's bring some balance to the vote totals.
Hmmm.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:13 pm

bb2112 wrote:Day 3 Votes:
1. El Guapo ------>
2. Remus West --> El Guapo, Zarathud, RMC
3. Chaosraven ---> RMC
4. Lassr -----------> Zarathud, El Guapo, RMC
5. Moliere --------> Unagi
6. Archinerd -----> Unagi, RMC
7. Scoop20906 ---> El Guapo, RMC
8. RMC ------------> Unagi
9. Isgrimnur ------> Zarathud, Unagi
10. PLW -----------> El Guapo
11. Punisher ------>
12. Holman -------> Unagi
13. Unagi ----------> RMC, Zarathud, RMC
14. Zarathud ------> Unagi

Votes:
6 RMC - Archinerd, Unagi, Scoop20906, Chaosraven, Remus West, Lassr
5 Unagi - Zarathud, Moliere, RMC, Holman, Isgrimnur
1 El Guapo - PLW


8 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed

Deadline:
Deadline: Monday, March 20th, 8PM EDT
Maybe a little ballsy putting three wolves on Unagi (if Isgrimnur's a wolf), although with the deadline approaching could be a better choice than voting for me (say), which might look more nakedly like protecting RMC (or risking a no lynch).

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 3

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:15 pm

RMC wrote:Sorry, had a major system outage at work for the past two days, so have not had time to log on, totally my bad. You do not want to lynch me.

I am a special, I would appreciate not being lynched.

I have been laying low, and it caught up to me. Sorry, it was a bad tactic, that looks worse because of my work situation.

I would prefer to keep the wolves guessing on who I am.
Just for the record, this is at least the second time that a wolf RMC tried to hide behind the "I'm an unspecified non-special".

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 2

Post by Scoop20906 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:16 pm

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Scoop20906 wrote: withdrawal vorret 
 


OK. Vorret has a provable claim. That's good. I suppose protecting him makes sense but what do we do tomorrow with him if he refuses to use his power then. Cross that bridge when we come to it I guess.

I'm switching my vote to tru1cy. We waited to long to do anything else realistically and there is still a chance he is an imp. Better than 0% chance.

 accuse tru1cy 
 



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Hmmmm. Scoop switches to tru1cy late. He could've plausibly kept riding Vorret and used that as credibility if a wolf. Although if we missed the lynch, might he be risking being seen as unhelpful / obstructionist? Although Unagi would've been a fine fall guy for that.
I only voted tru1cy because we had not point up against the deadline. He didn't seem like a Imp to me at the time.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 3

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:18 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:RMC dies tonight, nobody dies tonight, or RMC dies tomorrow, unless Boba Fett shows up to take the contract.
Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:I say we let him go!

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Ok, we have some time here. El Guapo, please pull that vote back in case Unagi isn't an imp and is at risk of a secret vote here.

We have a some time to wait for someone to contradict RMC's claim.
Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Unagi wrote:
El Guapo wrote:People, we do need an nth vote here in the next 41 minutes.
Oh like hell we do.
I do agree. If you are truly a good guy, voting should already be closed. Why haven't they used their secret vote?
well - perhaps they have - but I don't know the answer to your question.

Obviously with every day that it's not used it becomes more powerful - is that answer enough?
Hmmm. Maybe. I don't buy RMC's claim. I wish we had more time to get everyone's input if there was a counter-claim. Its also possible you are both good and we are in another sucky spot.
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Archinerd wrote: Unagi 
 
Well, I guess now it doesn't matter.

Final threat list Unagi?
Posts as Unagi approaches the lynch.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Scoop20906 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:19 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Which will backfire in the next game I show any engagement in, regardless of role, as I'll be anticipated as being a special by both sides.

Regardless, with apologies to Unagi, disengaged civilian is the flavor of the day.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:19 pm

bb2112 wrote:Day 3 Votes:
1. El Guapo ------> Unagi, Unagi
2. Remus West --> El Guapo, Zarathud, RMC
3. Chaosraven ---> RMC, Unagi
4. Lassr -----------> Zarathud, El Guapo, RMC
5. Moliere --------> Unagi
6. Archinerd -----> Unagi, RMC
7. Scoop20906 ---> El Guapo, RMC
8. RMC ------------> Unagi
9. Isgrimnur ------> Zarathud, Unagi
10. PLW -----------> El Guapo
11. Punisher ------>
12. Holman -------> Unagi
13. Unagi ----------> RMC, Zarathud, RMC
14. Zarathud ------> Unagi

Votes:
7 Unagi - Zarathud, Moliere, RMC, Holman, Isgrimnur, Chaosraven, El Guapo, Spooky Dooku Vote
3 RMC - Unagi, Remus West, Lassr
1 El Guapo - PLW


8 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed

Deadline:
Deadline: Monday, March 20th, 8PM EDT
Final day 3 vote.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:27 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Which will backfire in the next game I show any engagement in, regardless of role, as I'll be anticipated as being a special by both sides.

Regardless, with apologies to Unagi, disengaged civilian is the flavor of the day.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Night 3

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:27 pm

bb2112 wrote:
Punisher is dead!
Night 3 kill. Of note, given some of the surprising night kills, is that the wolves definitely did not scan a special with Joruus and base a kill on that. Our special roster was:

Lassr - Qui-Gon
Remus - Talon Karrde
Vorret - Mon Mothma
TBD (deceased) - Obi-Wan


Our lynches were Newcastle, tru1cy, Unagi, RMC. RMC was Joruus. Pretty certain that neither tru1cy nor Unagi were not specials since they would've spoken up. Possible that Newcastle was Obi-Wan, but if that's the case, then we know that Punisher was a regular villager. So if the wolves got a scan from the Newcastle lynch, then they used it on a regular villager (or, I suppose, possible that they scanned Vorret).

Actually I suppose there's a plausible scenario where Newcastle was Obi-Wan, wolves scan Vorret, and wolf Scoop pushes Vorret. Though knowing that Vorret was an innocent special, you'd think they would pick Zara Fett as the main driver of the Vorret train.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:30 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Odds are good that Boba Fett shows up today. After all, RMC is no good to him dead.

 RMC 
 
bb2112 wrote:Day 4 Votes - Final:
1. El Guapo ------> RMC
2. Remus West -->
3. Chaosraven --->
4. Lassr -----------> RMC
5. Moliere --------> RMC
6. Archinerd -----> RMC
7. Scoop20906 --->
8. RMC ------------>
9. Isgrimnur ------> RMC
10. PLW -----------> RMC
11. Holman -------> RMC
12. Zarathud ------>

Votes:

7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

7 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned

Deadline:
Deadline: Tuesday, March 28th, 8PM EDT
Day 4 RMC lynch vote. Scoop's a no show, although neither Isgrimnur's vote nor Scoop's no-show seems especially probative given that RMC was mostly dead to rights and given that the vote took all of 45 minutes.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Night 4

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:34 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Lassr I think tonight it would be smart to protect me.


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Scoop claims this was to draw the wolves fire. Or was it to draw Qui-Gon's protection?

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Night 4

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:36 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:1. El Guapo ------> Renegade folk hero beloved by the people
2. Remus West -->
3. Chaosraven --->
4. Lassr -----------> Uncontested Qui-Gon Jinn
5. Moliere --------> Proven good due to Mon Mothma's ability
6. Archinerd ----->
7. Scoop20906 --->
8. Isgrimnur ------>
9. PLW ----------->
10. Holman ------->
11. Zarathud ------>

Three wolves left.

Among those, Scoop was the second vote (after Unagi) on RMC, getting that train going on day 3. Super unlikely that a wolf Scoop would do that when Unagi was under the gun, and RMC hadn't been getting much scrutiny up to that point. Plus Scoop dropped a big special hint last night, so...he's looking pretty good to me right now.

Subsequent RMC votes that day come from Chaosraven, then Remus, then Lassr (uncontested Qui-Gon). Lassr's vote puts RMC at n-2. Probably Chaosraven and Remus are also good - especially Chaosraven, who's vote (#3) is possibly the line between the RMC thing becoming a train and not. *Possible* that Remus's vote is a "which way the wind is blowing" kind of thing, but *probably* not (especially since Remus goes onto articulate a good case against RMC.

Maybe Isgrimnur, Holman, and TBD?
Ok, I've suspected Issy since day one but I have to wonder how chaos comes off looking good? He was one of the late votes on Unagi (including you) that along with the secret vote we found out later put him over the top. Only the baddies would have known the vote was over with. I realize we were close to the wire on that vote but there was still a chance someone could have counter him (and eventually did). Both you and chaos don't look very rebellious to me.

I probably should shut up tho.
I'm mainly talking about the RMC run up here. This was the situation when Chaosraven voted for RMC:
4 Unagi - Zarathud, Moliere, RMC, Holman
2 El Guapo - PLW, Lassr
3 Zarathud - Isgrimnur, Remus West
3 RMC - Archinerd, Unagi, Scoop,
I realize I made a mistake in my analysis of the RMC train - I hadn't realized that Archinerd was already on the RMC vote before the RMC train really got going, so Unagi was the second vote, you the third, Chaosraven the fourth, etc.

Why would a wolf Chaosraven vote for wolf RMC here? Voting for Unagi here wouldn't really have attracted much in the way of suspicion, while voting for RMC here really solidified the RMC train (and brought him to vote parity with Unagi). Hell, unless you think that both me and Zarathud are also wolves (which I know not to be true as to me at least) he's got at least two not-terribly-suspicious non-wolf vote choices at this point.

As for the late vote on Unagi - we're talking really late here. When you posted about "hey, we have some time here" we had about 30 minutes left before the deadline. I get that Lassr could have theoretically come in during those 30 minutes to dispute RMC, but we were coming super close to the deadline. I don't really fault CR (or me, obviously) for that.
Discussion with Scoop post RMC lynch. Still don't see his case against Chaosraven, although as I say here the timing of Scoop's RMC vote (which I initially thought was Chaosraven's in order) sure makes him look good.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 5

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:42 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Zarathud wrote:If RMC was Dooku, wouldn't the Empire want to know early if he was going to be counterclaimed? If so, any remaining overvote would turn worthless on a counter. Jorrus would want in on the train and to establish cover. Getting a fast train on RMC also limited our info on the kill.

That's my fear, anyway. Trying to figure out RMC's role before meetings today.
On the one hand, I would think that the Empire would want at least one or two wolves on the RMC lynch (especially Joruus, obviously). On the other, I would think that they would also want to give RMC a crack at convincing the village that Lassr was the impostor.
Thats true. Since we know RMC was an Imp (and not Jorus of course) then we can feel pretty confident that Jorus was on his lynch so that can get their scan tonight.

I'm betting one of these guys is Jorus:

Holman
El Guapo
Isgrimnur
Moliere - proven
Lassr - claimed special (not countered)
PLW
Archinerd
Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Boba gets a protection, Vader gets a choke, and Dooku still has another over vote. It's going to be tough to win this one.
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So RMC was Jorus, then? That's helpful.
Jorus scan doesn't really immediate precede a kill or block. S'why I left him off.
Hmmm.

Scoop, on the first post, why did you say "we know RMC was an Imp (and not Jorus of course)"?

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 2

Post by Archinerd » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:43 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Archinerd wrote:Okay. So my first take on the Grund kill is it's an attempt to make Scoop look bad.
I'm not convinced Scoop is Imperial... yet.
Hmmm. Archinerd, seeing as how you are still alive, can you add more on why you thought the Grund kill was an attempt to make Scoop look bad?
Because Grund voted for Scoop on Day 1. It wasn't a serious comment at the time, more to see if it got any reaction.
Day 1 Votes:
1. Newcastle -----> Punisher, Lassr, Moliere, Vorret, Remus West, Grundbegriff, Remus West, Vorret, Remus West
2. El Guapo -------> Grundbegriff, Tru1cy, Vorret, Newcastle
3. Remus West ---> Newcastle, Scoop20906, Newcastle
4. Chaosraven ----> Scoop20906, Moliere, Scoop20906, Newcastle
5. Lassr ------------> Scoop20e906, Newcastle
6. Moliere ---------> Vorret, Scoop20906, Newcastle
7. Archinerd ------> Chaosraven, Scoop20906, Unagi, Newcastle
8. Scoop20906 ----> Vorret
9. RMC -------------> Vorret, Newcastle
10. Isgrimnur ------> Punisher, Scoop20906
11. PLW ------------> Holman
12. Punisher -------> Vorret, Newcastle
13. Holman --------> Moliere, Unagi, Newcastle
14. Vorret ----------> Punisher, Moliere, Scoop20906, Newcastle
15. Grundbegriff --> Scoop20906
16. Unagi -----------> Moliere, Holman, Scoop20906, Remus West, Newcastle
17. Zarathud -------> Chaosraven, Moliere, Unagi, Newcastle
18. Tru1cy ----------> Punisher, Vorret

Votes:
10 Newcastle - Remus West, Lassr, Chaosraven, Zarathud, RMC, Vorret, Moliere, Punisher, El Guapo, Unagi
2 Vorret - Scoop20906, Tru1cy
2 Scoop20906 - Grundbegriff, Isgrimnur
1 Remus West - Newcastle
1 Holman - PLW


10 Votes Needed

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Scoop20906 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:45 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
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Isgrimnur wrote:Which will backfire in the next game I show any engagement in, regardless of role, as I'll be anticipated as being a special by both sides.

Regardless, with apologies to Unagi, disengaged civilian is the flavor of the day.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge

Post by Archinerd » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:46 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Odds are good that Boba Fett shows up today. After all, RMC is no good to him dead.

 RMC 
 
bb2112 wrote:Day 4 Votes - Final:
1. El Guapo ------> RMC
2. Remus West -->
3. Chaosraven --->
4. Lassr -----------> RMC
5. Moliere --------> RMC
6. Archinerd -----> RMC
7. Scoop20906 --->
8. RMC ------------>
9. Isgrimnur ------> RMC
10. PLW -----------> RMC
11. Holman -------> RMC
12. Zarathud ------>

Votes:

7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

7 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned

Deadline:
Deadline: Tuesday, March 28th, 8PM EDT
Day 4 RMC lynch vote. Scoop's a no show, although neither Isgrimnur's vote nor Scoop's no-show seems especially probative given that RMC was mostly dead to rights and given that the vote took all of 45 minutes.
Scoop, this is the vote I was thinking of when I said you were absent from early important votes.
I guess it's not really that early though.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 5

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:48 pm

Remus West wrote:Lassr, why do you claim to have protected me the night before last when there was a proven for you to protect that night? That doesn't make sense to me and makes me doubt your claim. Other than that........

1. El Guapo ------> scanned Rebel night 3
2. Remus West --> Talon Karrde
3. Lassr -----------> Uncontested Qui-Gon Jinn
4. Moliere --------> Proven good due to Mon Mothma's ability
5. Archinerd -----> scanned Rebel night 2
6. Scoop20906 --->
7. Isgrimnur ------>
8. PLW ----------->
9. Holman -------> scanned Rebel night 4
10. Zarathud ------> Boba Fett night 1

Votes:



7 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned
Day 4 - RMC--------------> Pummeled IMPERIAL
Night 5 - Chaosraven-----> killed

10 players - 7 Rebel vs 3 Imperial

If Lassr is telling the truth then the last 2 Imperials are in the Scoop/PLW/Isgrimnur mix. I lean towards Isgrminur and PLW being the two. I scanned Holman last night because he was the first to get a vote in on RMC so I thought he might be Joruus. Right now I'm hoping that RMC was Vader and simply did not have time to use his ability. His being Vader would explain the use of the over vote to make sure he lived through that day. I still think he was probably Dooku but Vader is possible.

If Vader is out there I expect to be choked. Obi-Wan, if alive, should compel one of the scanned (you chose) to vote for either Zarathud or one of the unscanned. I'd suggest Zarathud but before we do that we might want to check on the impact a failed lynch would have on the reward - that is, what happens when Boba uses his ability to avoid being lynched after Obi-Wan compels someone to vote for him.
Day 5, Remus drops

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:52 pm

bb2112 wrote:Day 5 Votes - Final:
1. El Guapo ------>
2. Remus West --> Zarathud
3. Lassr -----------> Zarathud
4. Moliere --------> Zarathud
5. Archinerd -----> Zarathud
6. Scoop20906 ---> Zarathud
7. Isgrimnur ------> El Guapo
8. PLW ------------> El Guapo
9. Holman --------> Zarathud
10. Zarathud ------>

Votes:

6 Zarathud -> Archinerd, Lassr, Remus West, Scoop20906, Holman, Moliere
2 El Guapo -> Isgrimnur, PLW


6 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned
Day 4 - RMC --------------> Gallaghered
Night 4 - Chaosraven ---> Beheaded

Deadline:
Deadline:
Day 5 final vote total.

FWIW Isgrimnur's vote was first thing that day, before Remus dropped

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:56 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:So we're down to eight with two known baddies, both of which have blown their load.

Might as well make it a horse race between myself and JoruScoop.

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Isgrimnur wrote:So we're down to eight with two known baddies, both of which have blown their load.

Might as well make it a horse race between myself and JoruScoop.

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No patience?

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bb2112 wrote:Day 6 Votes - Final:
1. El Guapo ------> Zarathud[, Zarathud
2. Moliere --------> Zarathud
3. Archinerd -----> Zarathud
4. Scoop20906 ---> Zarathud
5. Isgrimnur ------> Scoop20906
6. PLW ------------>
7. Holman --------> Zarathud
8. Zarathud ------> El Guapo

Votes:

5 Zarathud -> Archinerd, El Guapo, Scoop20906, Moliere, Holman
1 El Guapo -> Zarathud
1 Scoop20906 -> Isgrimnur



5 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned
Day 4 - RMC --------------> Gallaghered
Night 4 - Chaosraven ---> Beheaded
Day 4 - No Death
Night 5 - Lassr -----------> Poisoned
Day 6 - Remus West -----> Choked

Deadline:
Deadline: Monday April 3rd, 8PM HAHAHAHA
Then Lassr is night killed, PLW chokes Remus in the morning. Isgrimnur goes after Scoop, this exchange happens, and this is the final day 6 vote.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 5

Post by Scoop20906 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:56 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Zarathud wrote:If RMC was Dooku, wouldn't the Empire want to know early if he was going to be counterclaimed? If so, any remaining overvote would turn worthless on a counter. Jorrus would want in on the train and to establish cover. Getting a fast train on RMC also limited our info on the kill.

That's my fear, anyway. Trying to figure out RMC's role before meetings today.
On the one hand, I would think that the Empire would want at least one or two wolves on the RMC lynch (especially Joruus, obviously). On the other, I would think that they would also want to give RMC a crack at convincing the village that Lassr was the impostor.
Thats true. Since we know RMC was an Imp (and not Jorus of course) then we can feel pretty confident that Jorus was on his lynch so that can get their scan tonight.

I'm betting one of these guys is Jorus:

Holman
El Guapo
Isgrimnur
Moliere - proven
Lassr - claimed special (not countered)
PLW
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Boba gets a protection, Vader gets a choke, and Dooku still has another over vote. It's going to be tough to win this one.
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So RMC was Jorus, then? That's helpful.
Jorus scan doesn't really immediate precede a kill or block. S'why I left him off.
Hmmm.

Scoop, on the first post, why did you say "we know RMC was an Imp (and not Jorus of course)"?

It is a poorly worded sentence. I think what I was trying to say was I had learned that their reason for targeting Punisher didn't involve the Jorus scan since they wouldn't have it at that point.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 7

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:57 pm

bb2112 wrote:Day 6 Votes - Final:
1. El Guapo ------>
2. Archinerd -----> PLW
3. Scoop20906 ---> PLW
4. Isgrimnur ------> Scoop20906, PLW
5. PLW ------------> El Guapo
6. Holman --------> PLW


Votes:

4 PLW -> Holman, Scoop20906, Archinerd, Isgrimnur
1 El Guapo -> PLW

4 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned
Day 4 - RMC --------------> Gallaghered
Night 4 - Chaosraven ---> Beheaded
Day 4 - No Death
Night 5 - Lassr -----------> Poisoned
Day 6 - Remus West -----> Choked
Day 6 - Zarathud ---------> Smashed
Night 6 - Moliere ---------> Suffocated

Deadline:
Deadline: Monday April 3rd, 8PM HAHAHAHA
Day 7 final vote. Moliere dies, exposed Darth PLW is lynched, Isgrimnur continues his "Scoop First" policy.

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Post by Scoop20906 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:59 pm

Archinerd wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Odds are good that Boba Fett shows up today. After all, RMC is no good to him dead.

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bb2112 wrote:Day 4 Votes - Final:
1. El Guapo ------> RMC
2. Remus West -->
3. Chaosraven --->
4. Lassr -----------> RMC
5. Moliere --------> RMC
6. Archinerd -----> RMC
7. Scoop20906 --->
8. RMC ------------>
9. Isgrimnur ------> RMC
10. PLW -----------> RMC
11. Holman -------> RMC
12. Zarathud ------>

Votes:

7 RMC -> Holman, El Guapo, Isgrimnur, Moliere, Lassr, PLW, Archinerd

7 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned

Deadline:
Deadline: Tuesday, March 28th, 8PM EDT
Day 4 RMC lynch vote. Scoop's a no show, although neither Isgrimnur's vote nor Scoop's no-show seems especially probative given that RMC was mostly dead to rights and given that the vote took all of 45 minutes.
Scoop, this is the vote I was thinking of when I said you were absent from early important votes.
I guess it's not really that early though.
Ok, I had like no time to get in on that vote and I WANTED to vote RMC. Trust me. RMC IS THE DEVIL!
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:02 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:Similar reason I pegged on you after Day 4. Joruus wants to be on all the votes. If he votes on an Imp or an unidentified Jedi, he gets a scan. Being on ALL the kill votes raises suspicion. Being on some of them offers cover that they weren't just offing people left and right for the benefit of it.
So being on all votes raises suspicion because they may be Joruus, and being on some but not all votes also raises suspicion because it's like Joruus only the person is trying to hide it?

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:04 pm

Archinerd wrote: Scoop, this is the vote I was thinking of when I said you were absent from early important votes.
I guess it's not really that early though.
Yeah, and like I said I don't put a lot of weight on Isgrimnur's vote nor on Scoop's no vote since RMC was mostly dead to rights and because it all went down so fast.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:07 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:Similar reason I pegged on you after Day 4. Joruus wants to be on all the votes. If he votes on an Imp or an unidentified Jedi, he gets a scan. Being on ALL the kill votes raises suspicion. Being on some of them offers cover that they weren't just offing people left and right for the benefit of it.
So being on all votes raises suspicion because they may be Joruus, and being on some but not all votes also raises suspicion because it's like Joruus only the person is trying to hide it?
With four baddies, there's space for multiple strategies. There's an awful lot of gray area in which to hide.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:09 pm

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So...we're now current. That seems like all of the potentially probative posts - hopefully that's helpful to you too Archinerd. Archinerd, I'm interested in your thoughts, as well as any arguments that Isgrimnur and Scoop have to make.

FWIW I'm leaning towards Isgrimnur as the final wolf, though I do worry about the possibility of "disinterested civilian Isgrimnur". I'm also going to re-read my collection, maybe aim to vote tomorrow (IRL).

What's great is that we won't need to wait for the write up on this one - if we're right then the lynchee will have three votes, if we're wrong he'll have two.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:16 pm

I've answered the questions, made my case, and generally been a cooperative participant. Scoop has continued to bait and taunt me during the process, implying that I'm part of the Empire.

At this point, I'll just be happy to have it over. He's over there getting his confetti ready for excessive celebration.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Archinerd » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:22 pm

El Guapo wrote: Archinerd, I'm interested in your thoughts, as well as any arguments that Isgrimnur and Scoop have to make.
The "Scoop First" strategy is the deciding factor for me.

I think Isgrumur is the wolf.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 7

Post by bb2112 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:26 pm

Day 7 Votes
1. El Guapo ------>
2. Archinerd ----->
3. Scoop20906 --->
4. Isgrimnur ------> Scoop8675309


Votes:

1 Scoop8675309 -> Isgrimnur


3 Votes Needed

Dead:
Day 1 - Newcastle -------> Stabbed
Night 1 - Grundbegriff --> Strangled
Day 2 - Tru1cy -----------> Bashed
Night 2 - Vorret ----------> Sacrificed
Day 3 - Unagi -------------> Mobbed
Night 3 - Punisher -------> Drowned
Day 4 - RMC --------------> Gallaghered
Night 4 - Chaosraven ---> Beheaded
Day 4 - No Death
Night 5 - Lassr -----------> Poisoned
Day 6 - Remus West -----> Choked
Day 6 - Zarathud ---------> Smashed
Night 6 - Moliere ---------> Suffocated
Day 7 - PLW ---------------> Cleaved
Night 7 - Holman ---------> Dismembered

Deadline:
Deadline: Monday April 3rd, 8PM HAHAHAHA
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Archinerd » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:27 pm

Also, if it turns out Scoop is the wolf, I will never trust him again. ;)

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:30 pm

Archinerd wrote:
El Guapo wrote: Archinerd, I'm interested in your thoughts, as well as any arguments that Isgrimnur and Scoop have to make.
The "Scoop First" strategy is the deciding factor for me.

I think Isgrumur is the wolf.
For me the most compelling piece of evidence is Scoop pushing for Run JoruusMC when Unagi was under the gun and RMC hadn't attracted significant attention yet. Seems really unlikely that a wolf Scoop would do that, rather than let Unagi hang (or get a missed lynch), or maybe push for me (a tertiary suspect at that point). Isgrimnur has a vote for Zarathud (on day 3), to his record, but he abandons that for Unagi precisely once RMC is under threat. Plus you get a little less credit for that since Zarathud was clearly the designated wolf fall guy this game.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Archinerd » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:31 pm

You know what else seems to be missing? Isgrumnur hasn't really made a very good argument against Scoop, and his only defense seems to be "I'm good".

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:34 pm

I don't have a good argument other than you two have been proven and I know my status. While I get that you don't, I'm not motivated to go looking for red flags. Meanwhile, scoop has been dancing circles around me, crying wolf.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:37 pm

Archinerd wrote:You know what else seems to be missing? Isgrumnur hasn't really made a very good argument against Scoop, and his only defense seems to be "I'm good".
His annoyance reads as genuine though, for what that's worth.

So at this point Scoop's unlikely to post much more for fear of upsetting things breaking his way (whether he's a wolf or not), while Isgrimnur is unlikely to post much more because he's annoyed (whether he's a wolf or not).

Tempted to just go ahead and vote but I do think it prudent to let things sit for a little bit, especially since we're not up against the deadline.

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Post by Scoop20906 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:04 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Archinerd wrote:You know what else seems to be missing? Isgrumnur hasn't really made a very good argument against Scoop, and his only defense seems to be "I'm good".
His annoyance reads as genuine though, for what that's worth.

So at this point Scoop's unlikely to post much more for fear of upsetting things breaking his way (whether he's a wolf or not), while Isgrimnur is unlikely to post much more because he's annoyed (whether he's a wolf or not).

Tempted to just go ahead and vote but I do think it prudent to let things sit for a little bit, especially since we're not up against the deadline.
I've loved this game. So many fun and interesting things happened. Hell, our newbie Punisher made it super fun. I thought we were in trouble until Remus dropped the bomb. I still can't understand why Remus didn't scan me especially after Unagi pushed for my lynch early. Things would be far different for me at the end game if I was a proven so now I'm under the cross hairs but I'm not frustrated. I played game the best I could with the limited info I had. I could have made better decisions when looked in hindsight. I KNOW you guys are making the right choice if you vote for Issy cause I know I am good but other than go over my actions as El Guapo already did there isn't much more I can say.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Scoop20906 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:06 pm

Btw, the sooner you guys come to your decision the sooner Starship R. Scott III will get started ... :mrgreen:
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Post by Isgrimnur » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:15 pm

Meta bribery.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by Archinerd » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:22 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:Btw, the sooner you guys come to your decision the sooner Starship R. Scott III will get started ... :mrgreen:
You have to vote too, what are you waiting for?

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Post by Scoop20906 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:33 pm

Archinerd wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:Btw, the sooner you guys come to your decision the sooner Starship R. Scott III will get started ... :mrgreen:
You have to vote too, what are you waiting for?
I was hoping for the kill vote.
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