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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:06 pm

DAMMIT! Still seems like the best reading of the thread. I demand a recount!

Oh well.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Day 8

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:07 pm

Lassr wrote:<sigh> El Guapo, you said you would do the opposite of your feeling...
I know, but my instinct was to go with the opposite of my conclusion, so I went with the opposite of that.

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Post by PLW » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:10 pm

Good job everyone!

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by Holman » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:20 pm

Oh, it was so close!

I am impressed by El Guapo's close reading of the entire thread there at the end, even as he misread Scoop at every turn.

I think the only thing I got right was my intuition that PLW's calling Scoop a Rebel there at the end felt too contrived to be believed.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by Archinerd » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:22 pm

How did you get Issy to act so damn suspicious at the end?! I WANT TO KNOW!

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by Punisher » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:30 pm

I was not able to use my force suggestion, only the dead scans...(and I think I was the 1st special killed)

For the record, I have reviewed the Imps secret forum and Scoop is now my mortal enemy...

You guys probably could have left me alive until then end since I would have no idea when to use my power other than the scans.. AND I actually died leaning towards Scoop being good... up until I started watching him as a Force Ghost (and since this is a pubic forum, you really don't want to know what I saw...ewww..)
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by Punisher » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:31 pm

Also, for the record.. I really am a noob... and obviously no coaching being done,, :P
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Post by Remus West » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:46 pm

This game is under protest due to the mod allowing the double night kill of Vader presenting his order to force choke me. :evil:

I had the perfect run as Seer. Nailed Scoop with the scan and would have made Vader nearly impotent by announcing it. Denied by a preset order. Grrrrrrr.

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Post by PLW » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:58 pm

Yeah..I don't love a rule set that makes timing so important. I would have force choked you before night fell, and we would have protected dooku, but in both cases real life intervened, together with a fast lynch. I know it's part of the game, but this rule set seemed to particularly advantage people who could follow in realtime.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by Punisher » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:07 pm

Remus West wrote:This game is under protest due to the mod allowing the double night kill of Vader presenting his order to force choke me. :evil:

I had the perfect run as Seer. Nailed Scoop with the scan and would have made Vader nearly impotent by announcing it. Denied by a preset order. Grrrrrrr.

Well done Imps.
For the record, if we had lynched BB when I said we should, none of this would have happened.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by Zarathud » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:14 pm

Let's say that I didn't get any work done the afternoon I was going to be killed. I was holding out as long as I could.... Fortunately, someone didn't send me the data I needed to be productive that day anyway.

I hoped to claim that Obi-Wan was forcing me to vote for Unagi, but never had the chance.

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Post by Punisher » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:18 pm

Zarathud wrote:Let's say that I didn't get any work done the afternoon I was going to be killed. I was holding out as long as I could.... Fortunately, someone didn't send me the data I needed to be productive that day anyway.

I hoped to claim that Obi-Wan was forcing me to vote for Unagi, but never had the chance.

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Damn.. I wish that had happened. If so, I would have forced you to vote for yourself since I would know you are lying.
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by Zarathud » Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:25 pm

I hoped for Scoop to get a scan from a Rebel lynch, but he misled El Guapo only by missing the early lynches. It worked out in the end.

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by El Guapo » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:38 pm

Zarathud wrote:I hoped for Scoop to get a scan from a Rebel lynch, but he misled El Guapo only by missing the early lynches. It worked out in the end.

:mrgreen:
Day 3 was more important. Seemed super unlikely that Scoop would go so far to avoid Unagi in favor of throwing RMC under the bus. But then, he does like taking down RMC, so...

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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by El Guapo » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:13 am

Grundbegriff wrote:Wait-- what?!
I know, right?

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Post by Scoop20906 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:15 am

Out of the four of us my power was so weak I figured I had to try and play the long game in case the others blew up. Also, at the time I was trying to earn Unagi's trust.


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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by El Guapo » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:08 am

Remus West wrote:This game is under protest due to the mod allowing the double night kill of Vader presenting his order to force choke me. :evil:

I had the perfect run as Seer. Nailed Scoop with the scan and would have made Vader nearly impotent by announcing it. Denied by a preset order. Grrrrrrr.

Well done Imps.
Yeah, you really did a good job. Too bad about the Vader kill order, although I'm not sure what the ideal procedure for that situation would be. Seems like either you allow the preset kill order to prevent the seer from talking, or you basically force the seer and the shooter to continuously monitor the thread so as to post and/or shoot the minute that the mod posts the night kill (and starts the new day).

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Post by PLW » Thu Mar 30, 2017 7:34 am

I still wish we could have targeted scoop when vorret announced he was protecting. It would have been amazing!

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Post by bb2112 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:24 am

El Guapo wrote:
Remus West wrote:This game is under protest due to the mod allowing the double night kill of Vader presenting his order to force choke me. :evil:

I had the perfect run as Seer. Nailed Scoop with the scan and would have made Vader nearly impotent by announcing it. Denied by a preset order. Grrrrrrr.

Well done Imps.
Yeah, you really did a good job. Too bad about the Vader kill order, although I'm not sure what the ideal procedure for that situation would be. Seems like either you allow the preset kill order to prevent the seer from talking, or you basically force the seer and the shooter to continuously monitor the thread so as to post and/or shoot the minute that the mod posts the night kill (and starts the new day).
I went back and forth on this quite a bit. We let standing orders happen all the time, but this was a pivotal play. If RW got there first then the last Imperial would have been exposed and it would have been an easy victory, or if Vader got there first then there was still some question and the Imperials had a chance. If all things were equal I would have let things play out but there was some stuff going on with PLW (you can read it in the wolf forum) in real life that was interfering with his ability to play. I didn't think it was fair to him or the rest of the Imperial team to not let a standing order happen in this case. I get RW's point, but this was a tough call.

Remus played a masterful game and I can't believe how many times Zarathud and the other Imperials were so close to killing him when something would always come up and drive the Imperials in a new direction. The Mon Vorret thing was the most amazing thing I have ever seen in one of these games. If Vorret didn't make the HUGE mistake of outing himself when he clearly didn't need to, then Remus would have died that night. Vorret ended up doing by accident exactly what MM was designed to do on purpose.

I say let this be a lesson to the wolves, you need to eliminate Remus early. If you don't, you are playing with fire.

Also Unagi had pretty much all the Imperials pegged by day 2 and nobody would listen. His ability to sleuth out the answers in these games leave me in awe time and time again. :bow-blue:
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Post by bb2112 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:29 am

Thanks to everyone that played. I had a lot of fun running the game and hope you had fun playing.
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Post by Holman » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:44 am

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Post by Scoop20906 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:49 am

I want to point out I somehow slipping Unagi's noose for the first and only time. That was my achievement for the game. Oh, and winning too. :)


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Post by bb2112 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 8:55 am

Scoop20906 wrote:I want to point out I somehow slipping Unagi's noose for the first and only time. That was my achievement for the game. Oh, and winning too. :)


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Post by Zarathud » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:00 am

Scoop played the mad Jedi, that's for sure.

Had a lot of fun, but watching is less stressful!
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Post by bb2112 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:11 am

Zarathud wrote:Scoop played the mad Jedi, that's for sure.

Had a lot of fun, but watching is less stressful!
Zarathud, you did a great job. You helped get Unagi lynched which is not an easy thing to accomplish. I REALLY hope you come back and play more WW games with us in the future.
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Post by PLW » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:13 am

I'm not sure my unwavering pursuit of El Guapo was very effective. I want to point out that I was right, Rebels. You should have lynched him.

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bb2112 wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:I want to point out I somehow slipping Unagi's noose for the first and only time. That was my achievement for the game. Oh, and winning too. :)


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Not only winning, but being last man standing. I thought for sure you were a goner after you announced you wanted Lassr to protect you.
Yep. That post alone should have crucified him in the end game. Why that was allowed to slip through I don't know.

So, given that you debated the set kill order and still screwed me, lets talk about protection. I thought you had said (I could be wrong on this as I haven't gone back and looked) that the force choke could only impact a protected player if the bad guys KNEW the players role. Not through claim but through scan. If Lassr protected me then Vader shouldn't have been able to choke me as they never got a scan.

I was robbed I tell you. Robbed.

You made me lose to SCOOP. Damn you. :P :lol:
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Post by Remus West » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:20 am

PLW wrote:I'm not sure my unwavering pursuit of El Guapo was very effective. I want to point out that I was right, Rebels. You should have lynched him.
:lol:

I had scanned him I believe so I would have fought hard to keep him alive. This is why I don't bother scanning folks like Grund or Chaosraven. They tend to die one way or the other early and if they don't then the village should make sure they do as they are probably evil.
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Punisher wrote:
Remus West wrote:This game is under protest due to the mod allowing the double night kill of Vader presenting his order to force choke me. :evil:

I had the perfect run as Seer. Nailed Scoop with the scan and would have made Vader nearly impotent by announcing it. Denied by a preset order. Grrrrrrr.

Well done Imps.
For the record, if we had lynched BB when I said we should, none of this would have happened.
Keep in mind that lynching bb2112 is typically the best plan in any game/party/life. :twisted:
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Post by El Guapo » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:24 am

On the plus side, I have that party at Vorret's house to look forward to.

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Post by Remus West » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:28 am

Did I miss the link to the Imperial forum?
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Post by El Guapo » Thu Mar 30, 2017 9:43 am

Remus West wrote:Did I miss the link to the Imperial forum?
Sorry, that's only for the cool kids.

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El Guapo wrote:On the plus side, I have that party at Vorret's house to look forward to.
I'll get the pool ready!
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Remus West wrote:Did I miss the link to the Imperial forum?
Yes. I sent it to you again.
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Remus West wrote: Keep in mind that lynching bb2112 is typically the best plan in any game/party/life. :twisted:
Awww, you do care. :wub:
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bb2112 wrote:
Zarathud wrote:Scoop played the mad Jedi, that's for sure.

Had a lot of fun, but watching is less stressful!
Zarathud, you did a great job. You helped get Unagi lynched which is not an easy thing to accomplish. I REALLY hope you come back and play more WW games with us in the future.
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Post by Remus West » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:06 am

Well reading that just made me more irritated about the "double" night kill. Not only did you allow the standing order, you suggested it. :evil:

All those types of things have always been clock races and prompting/allowing that absolutely altered the outcome of the game.
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Post by Scoop20906 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:08 am

Remus West wrote:You made me lose to SCOOP. Damn you. :P :lol:
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Re: Star Wars - The Empire's Challenge - Game Over

Post by PLW » Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:13 am

A Tarheel complaining about the referee. Ironic. I'll just leave this here:

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