New WW Variant-Wild Wild West - Roles are out - Game on!

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:26 pm

Unagi wrote:One suggestion I may suggest

Perthaps if we have an Outlaw, that play should announce themselves now:

We will then now vote for them until they cannot kill someone.
The seer then avoids scanning them.

We simply don't vote for this person today (or until he is under threat of wolf vote), and perhaps tomorrow (or whenever) the Seer comes out with information the Outlaw can counter.

Only 'day 1' thought I had for us.

discuss.

But the outlaw, while they can shoot, might accidentally kill the sheriff, and you can't want to out both on day one, can you? Or are those awfully big teeth we see there???

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:28 pm

RMC wrote:
Unagi wrote:One suggestion I may suggest

Perthaps if we have an Outlaw, that play should announce themselves now:

We will then now vote for them until they cannot kill someone.
The seer then avoids scanning them.

We simply don't vote for this person today (or until he is under threat of wolf vote), and perhaps tomorrow (or whenever) the Seer comes out with information the Outlaw can counter.

Only 'day 1' thought I had for us.

discuss.
But the outlaw, while they can shoot, might accidentally kill the sheriff, and you can't want to out both on day one, can you? Or are those awfully big teeth we see there???

He isn't gonna shoot today (should he even exist and should this plan even get the 'green light' from everyone).

Course, it's never too early to stifle information and sew doubt... right?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:29 pm

Can't imagine it would be hard to get someone to volunteer to be #2.

How about me.

I am not the Sheriff.

If you want to avoid killing the Sheriff, one could list me as #2 - should the Seer come out and declare where the outlaw should shoot with his listed #1 - list me as #2.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:47 pm

Just curious about something.. If the Outlaw can shoot the Sheriff, wouldn't that make him more of a Wolf? ( or even a Lone Wolf). if the Sheriff is good, good usually equals part of village.. Not a game changer in any way, more of a flavor thing.

Also, BB, can we know how many roles were actually given out and what roles were not or would that be too damaging game wise?

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:48 pm

and just realized we should have had a deputy role.. Then if the deputy is killed and the Outlaw shoots the sheriff, he should have to convince us that he shot the Sheriff, but not the Deputy..

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 10:32 pm

I asked bb a similar question a few posts back, and I think he answered it.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:23 pm

Punisher wrote:Just curious about something.. If the Outlaw can shoot the Sheriff, wouldn't that make him more of a Wolf? ( or even a Lone Wolf). if the Sheriff is good, good usually equals part of village.. Not a game changer in any way, more of a flavor thing.

Also, BB, can we know how many roles were actually given out and what roles were not or would that be too damaging game wise?

nyet. not knowing the roles in the game is the only place wolves can hide.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:15 am

Lassr wrote:
Punisher wrote:Just curious about something.. If the Outlaw can shoot the Sheriff, wouldn't that make him more of a Wolf? ( or even a Lone Wolf). if the Sheriff is good, good usually equals part of village.. Not a game changer in any way, more of a flavor thing.

Also, BB, can we know how many roles were actually given out and what roles were not or would that be too damaging game wise?
nyet. not knowing the roles in the game is the only place wolves can hide.

Well I don't think not knowing the how many roles there are will be an advantage for anyone.. Even if we can't know the roles released, being able to say there are 2 wolf roles and 3 good/village roles, will at least give us some info...
I think that right now, the wolves have all the cards unless the good/villagers get real lucky. There won't be any real data to analyse for each round. Every day will be like a day 1. just random kills... Unless I am missing something?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:08 am

Wel her's what I think :

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:16 am

Unagi wrote:One suggestion I may suggest

Perthaps if we have an Outlaw, that play should announce themselves now:

We will then now vote for them until they cannot kill someone.
The seer then avoids scanning them.

We simply don't vote for this person today (or until he is under threat of wolf vote), and perhaps tomorrow (or whenever) the Seer comes out with information the Outlaw can counter.

Only 'day 1' thought I had for us.

discuss.

Honestly, this sounds like a great plan for two or three players who are allowed to coordinate with each other via PM...

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:21 am

Or (duh, checks rules again) just two.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:25 am

Not sure what to do here. Got a day to vote or abstain. Of course abstaining can be dangerous because the wolves will vote, probably on the same person. So 2 votes instantly on someone.

Do we even have time to coordinate a vote? If we have a target we need at least 3 votes on them to over power any pile on of another player by the wolves. But if we coordinate the wolves can also jump on if we are wrong. <sigh>

Back to my song:
I'm just a gigolo, and everywhere I go, people know the part I'm playing...

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:12 am

As I was saying earlier, it's the best decision

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:26 am

Unagi's right that it seems pretty easy to avoid the Outlaw's drawback (the possibility of accidentally shooting the sheriff). Unagi has already declared Not Sheriff, and there's presumably no reason for him to lie about that. So if we wanted to use the Outlaw shot (if he's in the game) we would just have the Outlaw list Unagi as the #2.

I'm not sure that I can think of a reason for the Outlaw to not declare as well, since there are no night kills in this game.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:28 am

Yes, we run a risk of people 'missing the deadline' quite a bit too...

I am not sure how, if , or where I should vote.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:29 am

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:29 am

You're really gunning for everyone's vote - aren't you.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:31 am

Weee are also at least 1 vote on 2 peple so iff nobody (including the zomies) 2 peopel wil most like die!!!, every nitgth.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:32 am

Unagi wrote:You're really gunning for everyone's vote - aren't you.

No!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:33 am

Unagi wrote:Yes, we run a risk of people 'missing the deadline' quite a bit too...

I am not sure how, if , or where I should vote.

Well, on "if", it seems important to "rock the vote", as if too main people abstain, we would effectively be handing the kill to the wolves, so we would be removing any chance of hitting the wolves by accident at least.

On "how", that's via PM to bb2112.

On where...

I was looking for a "shrug" smiley, and gave up on page 6.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:34 am

1. Vorret
2. Punisher
3. Scoop
4. El Guapo
5. Unagi
6. Newcastle
7. RMC
8. Holman
9. Lassr
10.

#10 looks awfully suspicious. What is he hiding???

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:43 am

El Guapo wrote:Unagi's right that it seems pretty easy to avoid the Outlaw's drawback (the possibility of accidentally shooting the sheriff). Unagi has already declared Not Sheriff, and there's presumably no reason for him to lie about that. So if we wanted to use the Outlaw shot (if he's in the game) we would just have the Outlaw list Unagi as the #2.

I'm not sure that I can think of a reason for the Outlaw to not declare as well, since there are no night kills in this game.

I agree, list Unagi as #2 on the list and as long as #1 is not the sheriff we should be safe. If the Outlaw declares we just have to make sure we have enough votes on someone else so the wolves cannot out vote us.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:01 pm

Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Unagi's right that it seems pretty easy to avoid the Outlaw's drawback (the possibility of accidentally shooting the sheriff). Unagi has already declared Not Sheriff, and there's presumably no reason for him to lie about that. So if we wanted to use the Outlaw shot (if he's in the game) we would just have the Outlaw list Unagi as the #2.

I'm not sure that I can think of a reason for the Outlaw to not declare as well, since there are no night kills in this game.
I agree, list Unagi as #2 on the list and as long as #1 is not the sheriff we should be safe. If the Outlaw declares we just have to make sure we have enough votes on someone else so the wolves cannot out vote us.

Oh what the heck. I'll be your huckleberry.

I'm the outlaw. Who do you want me to shoot?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:18 pm

I'd think we want the Seer to give maybe the most modest of contributions to that. but that will need to wait a day at least.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:08 pm

RMC wrote:
Lassr wrote:
El Guapo wrote:Unagi's right that it seems pretty easy to avoid the Outlaw's drawback (the possibility of accidentally shooting the sheriff). Unagi has already declared Not Sheriff, and there's presumably no reason for him to lie about that. So if we wanted to use the Outlaw shot (if he's in the game) we would just have the Outlaw list Unagi as the #2.

I'm not sure that I can think of a reason for the Outlaw to not declare as well, since there are no night kills in this game.
I agree, list Unagi as #2 on the list and as long as #1 is not the sheriff we should be safe. If the Outlaw declares we just have to make sure we have enough votes on someone else so the wolves cannot out vote us.
Oh what the heck. I'll be your huckleberry.

I'm the outlaw. Who do you want me to shoot?

lol

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:04 pm

ok, we need to make sure we have at least 3 votes on someone other than RMC.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:05 pm

We kill silent!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:41 pm

I find Newcastle the most quiet right now. Punisher is also quiet.
Scoop sorta poofed.

1. Vorret (not quiet, seems drunk)
2. Punisher (quiet)
3. Scoop (quiet)
4. El Guapo (here, posting)
5. Unagi (charming, helpful)
6. Newcastle (not much)
7. RMC (claims outlaw)
8. Holman (seems shifty to me, tbh)
9. Lassr (here, posting

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:45 pm

Scoop is too silent.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:54 pm

Unagi wrote:One suggestion I may suggest

Perthaps if we have an Outlaw, that player should announce themselves now:

We will then now not vote for them The Outlaw until they The Outlaw cannot can kill someone.
The seer then avoids scanning them The Outlaw.

We simply don't vote for this person today (or until he is under threat of wolf vote), and perhaps tomorrow (or whenever) the Seer comes out with information the Outlaw can counteract on.

Only 'day 1' thought I had for us.

discuss.

Corrected my wonderful Lordmortis-speak.
Wow. I nearly didn't write what I wanted to say - but it seems most of you got it.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:02 pm

Unagi wrote:I find Newcastle the most quiet right now. Punisher is also quiet.

Well, I'm exactly a super talker to begin with, but I have posted a few times... Plus it's day 1 so it really is a random crap shoot.. more so now since we won't know who voted what...
Also, from re-reading the roles..
1) Keep in mind that the 2 wolves have 3 votes.. I can't think of ANY reason that the Alpha wolf wouldn't use their 2 vote thing every time.
2) Except for the Wolves, the village idiot, or the Outlaw, all other roles need to choose between voting and using their power... That can skew the votes as well, especially if all the roles choose power over vote.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:11 pm

Unagi wrote:
Unagi wrote:One suggestion I may suggest

Perthaps if we have an Outlaw, that player should announce themselves now:

We will then now not vote for them The Outlaw until they The Outlaw cannot can kill someone.
The seer then avoids scanning them The Outlaw.

We simply don't vote for this person today (or until he is under threat of wolf vote), and perhaps tomorrow (or whenever) the Seer comes out with information the Outlaw can counteract on.

Only 'day 1' thought I had for us.

discuss.
Corrected my wonderful Lordmortis-speak.
Wow. I nearly didn't write what I wanted to say - but it seems most of you got it.

Thanks for the correction. I assumed you meant something like that.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:14 pm

I'm not sure silence is very telling in a 24-hour game day. Between jobs and family obligations and living in the wrong time zone, aren't there going to be some people who can't even post before some of us have decided we've decided?

This first day is a crapshoot anyway. What can people say that would be based on any data?

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:16 pm

Well we do have some concrete data already.. We KNOW Vorret is Canadian....

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:26 pm

Yes, yes I am!
On the other hand you elected Trump sooooo...

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:27 pm

Vorret wrote:Yes, yes I am!
On the other hand you elected Trump sooooo...

Don't blame me for that!

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:29 pm

bb2112 wrote:Ok, first dumb mod mistake. New game, sorry. I know I said there are 9 roles and everyone has each of the roles. That would make it too easy to find wolves if everyone just came out. I am rerandomizing the roles and sending them out.

Sorry for the false start.

I just reread that, does it mean we can have, let's say, two village idiot?

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:29 pm

I am the outlaw!!!!

I hope I get to shoot someone. It will be fun.. They never give me the gun.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:30 pm

Punisher wrote:
Vorret wrote:Yes, yes I am!
On the other hand you elected Trump sooooo...
Don't blame me for that!

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:30 pm

Punisher wrote:
Unagi wrote:I find Newcastle the most quiet right now. Punisher is also quiet.
Well, I'm exactly a super talker to begin with, but I have posted a few times... Plus it's day 1 so it really is a random crap shoot.. more so now since we won't know who voted what...
Also, from re-reading the roles..
1) Keep in mind that the 2 wolves have 3 votes.. I can't think of ANY reason that the Alpha wolf wouldn't use their 2 vote thing every time.
2) Except for the Wolves, the village idiot, or the Outlaw, all other roles need to choose between voting and using their power... That can skew the votes as well, especially if all the roles choose power over vote.

good catch, I forgot about the extra vote so they have 3 votes so we have to outnumber them or their votes to kill the person.