Octopus Overlords

one last one....

hey, I post image, you guys talk.
Them are the rules this game.

Vorret wrote:hey, I post image, you guys talk.
Them are the rules this game.

not when its newcastle!

Yeah, I am so shooting Newcastle.

Interesting.

So...just to game this through. If we kill Newcastle:

- And he comes back wolf --> Punisher is proven
- And he comes back innocent --> Punisher is essentially proven as a wolf
Unagi is proven as a wolf
Oops we killed our seer!

If we killed Punisher:

- And he comes back wolf --> Newcastle is essentially proven
Unagi is essentially proven as a wolf
- And he comes back innocent --> Newcastle is proven as a wolf
Oops we killed our seer!

If we killed Unagi:
- And he comes back wolf --> Newcastle is proven
Punisher is essentially proven as a wolf
- And he comes back innocent --> Newcastle is essentially proven as a wolf
Punisher is essentially proven as the seer

I am inclined to believe Punisher over Newcastle under the circumstances, although it seems like there's at least a potential argument for lynching (or shooting) Unagi as a way to resolve the seer dispute without potentially lynching the seer.

RMC wrote:Yeah, I am so shooting Newcastle.

dude...that's cool...we still got this. I'm just gonna lord it over you from here till well...a long ass time. I forgive you in advance. I'm just stoked how this worked out. So you do that....i am gonna go do stuff. Peace out! See you tomorrow (i hope to at least post in the htread a small little victory dance ya know!)

RMC wrote:Yeah, I am so shooting Newcastle.

So this is what it is like when I do it?

Nice scanning Punisher.

Newcastle wrote:I'm just a little bit bummed that i am out this early

I bet! But hey, at least you got to call my original accusation of you, flaccid!

Newcastle wrote:Newcastle just newcastled the game for the village!

I suppose we should thank you. lol



Not that it matter, but just to make everyone's list complete -- I'm also a drunk.
cheers Vorret.

El Guapo wrote:Interesting.

So...just to game this through. If we kill Newcastle:

- And he comes back wolf --> Punisher is proven
- And he comes back innocent --> Punisher is essentially proven as a wolf
Unagi is proven as a wolf
Oops we killed our seer!

If we killed Punisher:

- And he comes back wolf --> Newcastle is essentially proven
Unagi is essentially proven as a wolf
- And he comes back innocent --> Newcastle is proven as a wolf
Oops we killed our seer!

If we killed Unagi:
- And he comes back wolf --> Newcastle is proven
Punisher is essentially proven as a wolf
- And he comes back innocent --> Newcastle is essentially proven as a wolf
Punisher is essentially proven as the seer

I am inclined to believe Punisher over Newcastle under the circumstances, although it seems like there's at least a potential argument for lynching (or shooting) Unagi as a way to resolve the seer dispute without potentially lynching the seer.

Well... I think if you re-read you synopsis you will see there are a few places where technically wolves could still be.
A wolf Unagi doesn't prove Newcastle good, for instance... NC and I could be partners.

Unagi wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Interesting.

So...just to game this through. If we kill Newcastle:

- And he comes back wolf --> Punisher is proven
- And he comes back innocent --> Punisher is essentially proven as a wolf
Unagi is proven as a wolf
Oops we killed our seer!

If we killed Punisher:

- And he comes back wolf --> Newcastle is essentially proven
Unagi is essentially proven as a wolf
- And he comes back innocent --> Newcastle is proven as a wolf
Oops we killed our seer!

If we killed Unagi:
- And he comes back wolf --> Newcastle is proven
Punisher is essentially proven as a wolf
- And he comes back innocent --> Newcastle is essentially proven as a wolf
Punisher is essentially proven as the seer

I am inclined to believe Punisher over Newcastle under the circumstances, although it seems like there's at least a potential argument for lynching (or shooting) Unagi as a way to resolve the seer dispute without potentially lynching the seer.

Well... I think if you re-read you synopsis you will see there are a few places where technically wolves could still be.
A wolf Unagi doesn't prove Newcastle good, for instance... NC and I could be partners.

Yeah, you're right. Though in that case the other wolf would necessarily be Punisher or Newcastle, so killing them on subsequent nights would win the game.

I'm just trying to think, since it seems like we have a lot of time / misses available, whether there's a way to game this out so that we definitely win. If Newcastle's innocent then I'm pretty sure that we've won. If he's not, then I think the other wolf could (unless I'm missing something) be anybody, so we would be in good shape but not have a win locked in.

Scoop20906 wrote:

RMC wrote:Yeah, I am so shooting Newcastle.

So this is what it is like when I do it?

Yeah, it's not pretty.

El Guapo wrote:

Unagi wrote:

El Guapo wrote:Interesting.

So...just to game this through. If we kill Newcastle:

- And he comes back wolf --> Punisher is proven
- And he comes back innocent --> Punisher is essentially proven as a wolf
Unagi is proven as a wolf
Oops we killed our seer!

If we killed Punisher:

- And he comes back wolf --> Newcastle is essentially proven
Unagi is essentially proven as a wolf
- And he comes back innocent --> Newcastle is proven as a wolf
Oops we killed our seer!

If we killed Unagi:
- And he comes back wolf --> Newcastle is proven
Punisher is essentially proven as a wolf
- And he comes back innocent --> Newcastle is essentially proven as a wolf
Punisher is essentially proven as the seer

I am inclined to believe Punisher over Newcastle under the circumstances, although it seems like there's at least a potential argument for lynching (or shooting) Unagi as a way to resolve the seer dispute without potentially lynching the seer.

Well... I think if you re-read you synopsis you will see there are a few places where technically wolves could still be.
A wolf Unagi doesn't prove Newcastle good, for instance... NC and I could be partners.

Yeah, you're right. Though in that case the other wolf would necessarily be Punisher or Newcastle, so killing them on subsequent nights would win the game.

I'm just trying to think, since it seems like we have a lot of time / misses available, whether there's a way to game this out so that we definitely win. If Newcastle's innocent then I'm pretty sure that we've won. If he's not, then I think the other wolf could (unless I'm missing something) be anybody, so we would be in good shape but not have a win locked in.

And just to make everyone proven... Your the Sheriff, right?

Scoop - Unagi - Punisher - Newcastle

There are two wolves in those four?

At least that is my guess...

Newcastle comes back villager, is worst case I guess...

Because that only gives us Punisher as wolf.

And we lose our scan for the night cuz I will have shot our seer in the face.

I'm trying to think of a scenario where Punisher woulds step forward as a wolf, with no threats against him, and claim seer and found a wolf, knowing it would be his death nail today or tomorrow.

If Newcastle is a wolf, Punisher could be throwing his partner under the bus to gain trust. Not sure that would be wise so soon though.

RMC wrote:Scoop - Unagi - Punisher - Newcastle

There are two wolves in those four?

At least that is my guess...

Newcastle comes back villager, is worst case I guess...

Because that only gives us Punisher as wolf.

And we lose our scan for the night cuz I will have shot our seer in the face.

No, if Newcastle came back Villager - you can trust he is "also" the Seer. Hence why Newcastle made it clear that from his position "this is all wrapped up!" As he plays that he scanned me a wolf, and Punisher is falsely claiming Seer.

So, arguably - Newcastle comes back Villager is 'Best Case', cause you would next all coordinate against Punisher and Me.

Well, here's the thing....

Why would I have come out.. My name was mentioned once or twice, but nothing serious....
While still a newb, I have not panicked once in the game.... Maybe I would have in my first game because I wouldn't want to have been out early, but I was night killed, so that didn't happen... If anything, I have been cautious in the games... nothing so bold as randomly coming out early for an important role that we KNOW there was only one of and was guaranteed to be in the game.. If I was worried, I could have spoofed one of the other roles.

Also, killing Unagi does NOT prove either myself or Newcastle....
Unagi could be a wolf working with a wolf NC. NC is on the ropes and is trying to protect himself and his fellow wolf by trying to prove Unagi..

The ONLY way to have a PROVEN kill tonight is to kill either me or NC... One of us is definitely lying which means one of us is a wolf.. (Or a selfish villager)
I think RMC should shoot NC. If he really feels the need to shoot me, so be it, but one of us should be shot tonight to make sure there is no way the voting can be screwed up.
There is a possibility of losing the seer either way, so choose wisely...
If I am not shot tonight, should I scan Unagi to see whats up?

Lassr wrote:I'm trying to think of a scenario where Punisher woulds step forward as a wolf, with no threats against him, and claim seer and found a wolf, knowing it would be his death nail today or tomorrow.

If Newcastle is a wolf, Punisher could be throwing his partner under the bus to gain trust. Not sure that would be wise so soon though.

If that is the case, where NC and I are both wolves, then there is a 3rd person out there who IS the true seer...

Anyone want to start THAT furball?

Duh, forgot about that little bit. So yeah, I will shoot Newcastle.

Yes, I would scan me - or whomever doesn't claim Sheriff. (we already knew long ago I wasn't gonna be claiming it ever)

And we should ask Scoop and El Guapo maybe to step up? right?

So... thinking out loud
Outlaw shoots Newcastle.

If he is NOT a wolf - The Punisher and Unagi are the 2 wolves, game over.

If he is a wolf (and he's likely the 1 with 2 votes).... We slip into the start of our next day, and we need to make a vote.. and that cycle we hope to get another Seer scan in... But that vote may be a Miss or a Hit...

What we don't want is for that Day to be a "Vote For Unagi" and ALSO the day where Puniseer "Scans Unagi"...

I would advise on our next day we coordinate to Kill One of "Scoop/Unagi" and Scan the Other...

Should give the most information. Personally, I'd like to be scanned and not killed.... but that's going to be 'tomorrow', not "tonight" (there is no night).

Punisher wrote:

Lassr wrote:I'm trying to think of a scenario where Punisher woulds step forward as a wolf, with no threats against him, and claim seer and found a wolf, knowing it would be his death nail today or tomorrow.

If Newcastle is a wolf, Punisher could be throwing his partner under the bus to gain trust. Not sure that would be wise so soon though.

If that is the case, where NC and I are both wolves, then there is a 3rd person out there who IS the true seer...

Anyone want to start THAT furball?

I think technically it could have been Holman, but there is no way 2 wolves would have just gone for that (as they would not known he was a seer, etc) IMO - so I don't put any weight into that possibility...

We get a scan tonight, and if we 'prove' punisher, then we get one more proven. As no one can get voted off when I shoot someone (Newcastle).

Unagi wrote:Yes, I would scan me - or whomever doesn't claim Sheriff. (we already knew long ago I wasn't gonna be claiming it ever)

And we should ask Scoop and El Guapo maybe to step up? right?

So... thinking out loud
Outlaw shoots Newcastle.

If he is NOT a wolf - The Punisher and Unagi are the 2 wolves, game over.

If he is a wolf (and he's likely the 1 with 2 votes).... We slip into the start of our next day, and we need to make a vote.. and that cycle we hope to get another Seer scan in... But that vote may be a Miss or a Hit...

What we don't want is for that Day to be a "Vote For Unagi" and ALSO the day where Puniseer "Scans Unagi"...

I would advise on our next day we coordinate to Kill One of "Scoop/Unagi" and Scan the Other...

Should give the most information. Personally, I'd like to be scanned and not killed.... but that's going to be 'tomorrow', not "tonight" (there is no night).

For the record, my scan of NC came back as the Alpha Wolf. If I am telling the truth about being the seer, you can probably trust that I am telling the truth about that as well.

I may be going out tonight between 5:30PM and 10:30PM, EST. I won't be able to respond between then. I won't put my scan order in until then, so everyone needs to decide who I am scanning tonight by then. As soon as I am home, I plan on taking my meds and hopefully be able to get some sleep tonight. I may be late checking my scan tomorrow as well, but will try to get up and post the scan.

Also, whether it is my or NC who is the seer, I think that neither one of us needs to vote for the foreseeable future and should concentrate on scans...

Unagi wrote:

Punisher wrote:

Lassr wrote:I'm trying to think of a scenario where Punisher woulds step forward as a wolf, with no threats against him, and claim seer and found a wolf, knowing it would be his death nail today or tomorrow.

If Newcastle is a wolf, Punisher could be throwing his partner under the bus to gain trust. Not sure that would be wise so soon though.

If that is the case, where NC and I are both wolves, then there is a 3rd person out there who IS the true seer...

Anyone want to start THAT furball?

I think technically it could have been Holman, but there is no way 2 wolves would have just gone for that (as they would not known he was a seer, etc) IMO - so I don't put any weight into that possibility...

Well, there is always the possibility that this entire game was a prank and BB is trolling us all by making 2 seers and everyone we scan as a wolf..

@punisher...i'd like to hear you rationale for coming out and declaring me the alpha today. Pretty ballsy to come out with no pressure, and that's probably why you did it. Sorry it backfired on you...lesson learned. Good game and well played. We'll discuss post game, because i am really curious to know why you did it. (i can surmise a guess, that i was hot on the alpha's trail, and the alpha = 2 votes, without alpha the wolves have nothing).

Its cool with me if you shoot me RMC. Seriously its fine. I'd probably do the same thing. I'll come back villager, then you folks turn around and knock off unagi tomorrow (alpha = 2 votes). Then move on to the punisher.

The game is over for all intents and purposes.

If i am alive tomorrow, i'll gloat and post some cool ass stuff....but if not...tis cool....or you can shoot me and prevent my gloating, that's cool too! I'll try to swing by later on tonight, but honestly i much rather spend energies in RL and chopping down my to do list.

And this is "newcastlian"...that has a better ring to it...at least i got that to mull over now...how shall i be enshrined?

RMC wrote:We get a scan tonight, and if we 'prove' punisher, then we get one more proven. As no one can get voted off when I shoot someone (Newcastle).

There are no nights.

Today is your shot.
Tomorrow is another vote, where in the seer passes on voting and chooses to scan

Punisher wrote:I won't put my scan order in until then, so everyone needs to decide who I am scanning tonight by then.

2. Town Mystic - Use seer ability or vote. May decide each day.

5. Outlaw - Auto kill vote 1 time per game. This will take the place of the kill.


When RMC shoots Newcastle's in the snout - the "day" will flip to "tomorrow" (pretty sure on that).

And then we will have another 24 hours (or something) to get our next votes in, where in which you will not vote and instead "Use seer ability".

Next time we all vote - I would suggest the goal is to Protect Seer / Seer Scans Unagi / The rest of us converge on Scoop.

We could switch Unagi and Scoop there if people feel better about it.

RMC wrote:We get a scan tonight, and if we 'prove' punisher, then we get one more proven. As no one can get voted off when I shoot someone (Newcastle).

You VERY Much need to tell us that you have made you Shot Order - and frankly it should have been already done so that we could recover if you were faking this (but I'm not thinking this).

But still, if you don't shoot Newcastle, we all need to vote for him - if for no other reason than to Protect You.

Heck. Maybe that's a better option:
We ALL Vote Newcastle today (now).
Except Punisher! HE Scans Scoop OR Unagi... his call...

Tomorrow - we act on all that and assumable we should be able to count on Newcastle being a CLEAR majority and that would protect you, the seer, the lawyer, the sheriff, everyone...
Then tomorrow - your gun can be used.

That's not a bad idea! (IMHO).

But, shooting now probably makes no difference really, but we will need to wait "a day" for any 2nd scan results if you shoot now...

On my phone. Forgive typos.

We need to clarify if the outlaws shot ends the day/voting and if any scans today/tonight are canceled.

I was assuming I could put a scan in today/tonight no matter what.

And everyone can decide if rmc should save his shot or not.
With the numbers, IF everyone vote's for NC he should still get killed.

Punisher wrote:And everyone can decide if rmc should save his shot or not.
With the numbers, IF everyone vote's for NC he should still get killed.

Here is what, in light of the "tic-toc" nature of all this, I think we should all do (and it all should survive just fine, if RMC shoots or doesn't!):


Newcastle: Vote for who ever you want (2 votes)
Punisher: Submit an order to Scan Unagi (or Scoop)
Everyone that is good: Vote to lynch Newcastle
RMC: Make Your Own Call... Shoot or Hold Off (and place a vote)

RESULT:
Tomorrow we learn what Newcastle was via SHOT or via LYNCH.

If it's via SHOT - everyone's vote was trashed... the SHOT (5. Outlaw - Auto kill vote 1 time per game. This will take the place of the kill. ) takes the place of the kill.

We then have a new deadline and we talk.

If it's via LYNCH - we should have overwhelmed the vote and Newcastle will be our only death.
We would have the result of tonight's scan from Punisher - and we would have the SHOT (not that it likely matters).

So, I think everyone should vote for Newcastle. I am doing it now. If RMC shoots. That's fine (if I had the gun, I think I'd like to). But technically, we can do 'better' if he waits and we pile on Newcastle instead (acting like his shot) and hearing from Punisher tomorrow where the shot should be place.

my 2 cents.

Punisher wrote:On my phone. Forgive typos.

We need to clarify if the outlaws shot ends the day/voting and if any scans today/tonight are canceled.

I was assuming I could put a scan in today/tonight no matter what.

BB?

Unagi wrote:Newcastle: Vote for who ever you want (2 votes)
Punisher: Submit an order to Scan Unagi (or Scoop)
Everyone that is good: Vote to lynch Newcastle

Newcastle and Partner vote to kill Punisher (3 votes)
Everyone Else is (Vorret, Unagi, El Guapo, Scoop, RMC, Lassr) , which is 6 people , Minus 1 that is "Newcastle's Partner"... (5 votes)

Punisher Scans (anyone but Newcastle or RMC. Vorret would be low on my list.)

Lassr wrote:

Punisher wrote:On my phone. Forgive typos.

We need to clarify if the outlaws shot ends the day/voting and if any scans today/tonight are canceled.

I was assuming I could put a scan in today/tonight no matter what.

BB?

Outlaw - Auto kill vote 1 time per game. This will take the place of the kill.

How is that not clear? I mean, yeah - we can get clarification, but it's like 'stated'.

I think for Clarity - the rule should read:

Outlaw - Auto kill vote 1 time per game. This will take the place of the day's vote.

Unagi wrote:

RMC wrote:We get a scan tonight, and if we 'prove' punisher, then we get one more proven. As no one can get voted off when I shoot someone (Newcastle).

You VERY Much need to tell us that you have made you Shot Order - and frankly it should have been already done so that we could recover if you were faking this (but I'm not thinking this).

But still, if you don't shoot Newcastle, we all need to vote for him - if for no other reason than to Protect You.

Heck. Maybe that's a better option:
We ALL Vote Newcastle today (now).
Except Punisher! HE Scans Scoop OR Unagi... his call...

Tomorrow - we act on all that and assumable we should be able to count on Newcastle being a CLEAR majority and that would protect you, the seer, the lawyer, the sheriff, everyone...
Then tomorrow - your gun can be used.

That's not a bad idea! (IMHO).

But, shooting now probably makes no difference really, but we will need to wait "a day" for any 2nd scan results if you shoot now...

Nah, shoot order has been in place for a while now.

Did you shoot me?


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Scoop20906 wrote:Did you shoot me?


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Nope, I killed Newcastle. I wanted to shoot you, but <sigh> it was not to be..

Scoop20906 wrote:Did you shoot me?


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Why, cause you were lying about "Politian" and you are really The Outlaw?

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Scoop20906 wrote:Did you shoot me?


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Why, cause you were lying about "Politian" and you are really The Outlaw?

He is not the outlaw, but he might be an old sly doggy.

Unagi wrote:I think for Clarity - the rule should read:

Outlaw - Auto kill vote 1 time per game. This will take the place of the day's vote.

Even more clear would "takes the place of the day vote and all other actions."

If the outlaw order is processed at 7AM it is conceivable that orders other than voting could be processed. I don't read it that way either but clarification would be nice in case we are wrong.