The Parasite -GAME OVER-Town wins

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:23 am

Vorret wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:OK. My two cents now after observing fora while:

Unagi is off.
Bb2112 is off.
Remus seems genuine.
Moliere has no plan.
Holman is off.

remove Remus west

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Why ... BB feels off and you have a chance to kill him yet you do not pull the trigger, this worries me.

As I stated before, Scoop seems to be trying to save a fellow wolf. The way he's positioning himself is to have deniability if bb comes up as wolf.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:24 am

I'm going to repeat my fucked up theory here (and I mean, it really is quite screwed up) but ... what if Scoop is our Seer?
His original play is completely insane BUT it takes the heat off him, the wolves won't bother with him since we're likely to kill him at some point, sure he takes the risk of dying on the first day but he's banking on his reputation to keep him alive and so far so good, right?

Now, my reasoning behind this is he hasn't scanned BB yet that's why he didn't Scoop him, he's suspicious but if he kills him and BB isn't a wolf there's an even bigger chance he'll get kill on the next day.

I know this is completely insane.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:25 am

Moliere wrote:
Vorret wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:OK. My two cents now after observing fora while:

Unagi is off.
Bb2112 is off.
Remus seems genuine.
Moliere has no plan.
Holman is off.

remove Remus west

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Why ... BB feels off and you have a chance to kill him yet you do not pull the trigger, this worries me.
As I stated before, Scoop seems to be trying to save a fellow wolf. The way he's positioning himself is to have deniability if bb comes up as wolf.

Could very well be, and that would explain the entire not offing BB. So since Scoop did not Scoop, he looks guilty depending on what BB comes back as.
I really think we need to lynch BB to give us some pretty good feedback on people.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:27 am

Vorret wrote:I'm going to repeat my fucked up theory here (and I mean, it really is quite screwed up) but ... what if Scoop is our Seer?
His original play is completely insane BUT it takes the heat off him, the wolves won't bother with him since we're likely to kill him at some point, sure he takes the risk of dying on the first day but he's banking on his reputation to keep him alive and so far so good, right?

Now, my reasoning behind this is he hasn't scanned BB yet that's why he didn't Scoop him, he's suspicious but if he kills him and BB isn't a wolf there's an even bigger chance he'll get kill on the next day.

I know this is completely insane.

Yeah, that could be a Scoop play. But I think it is a little too far even for Scoop honestly. I mean, painting a target on yourself day one, in the hopes it buys you a day or two? Maybe... But I don't think so.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:30 am

I did say it was insane

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:37 am

Vorret wrote:I'm going to repeat my fucked up theory here (and I mean, it really is quite screwed up) but ... what if Scoop is our Seer?
His original play is completely insane BUT it takes the heat off him, the wolves won't bother with him since we're likely to kill him at some point, sure he takes the risk of dying on the first day but he's banking on his reputation to keep him alive and so far so good, right?

Now, my reasoning behind this is he hasn't scanned BB yet that's why he didn't Scoop him, he's suspicious but if he kills him and BB isn't a wolf there's an even bigger chance he'll get kill on the next day.

I know this is completely insane.

I look forward to reading the wolves forum to see how this idea came about.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:39 am

If I'm right you owe me a poutine

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:40 am

Vorret wrote:I'm going to repeat my fucked up theory here (and I mean, it really is quite screwed up) but ... what if Scoop is our Seer?
His original play is completely insane BUT it takes the heat off him, the wolves won't bother with him since we're likely to kill him at some point, sure he takes the risk of dying on the first day but he's banking on his reputation to keep him alive and so far so good, right?

Now, my reasoning behind this is he hasn't scanned BB yet that's why he didn't Scoop him, he's suspicious but if he kills him and BB isn't a wolf there's an even bigger chance he'll get kill on the next day.

I know this is completely insane.

repeat it?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:55 am

Unagi wrote:
Vorret wrote:I'm going to repeat my fucked up theory here (and I mean, it really is quite screwed up) but ... what if Scoop is our Seer?
His original play is completely insane BUT it takes the heat off him, the wolves won't bother with him since we're likely to kill him at some point, sure he takes the risk of dying on the first day but he's banking on his reputation to keep him alive and so far so good, right?

Now, my reasoning behind this is he hasn't scanned BB yet that's why he didn't Scoop him, he's suspicious but if he kills him and BB isn't a wolf there's an even bigger chance he'll get kill on the next day.

I know this is completely insane.
repeat it?

Yeah I briefly said that at the start of day 2, hold on

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:57 am

Vorret wrote:They have no reason to off Scoop they know we'll either do it ourselves or he's going to eat up a scan, either way, he's either a wolf or an unpowered. I guess if he's the seer that would have been one epic play though, there's no way the wolves will kill that distraction.

Hmm, now that I think about it...

That's when I said it, at 8h01 on sept 1st

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:00 am

Vorret wrote:If I'm right you owe me a poutine

Is that some kind of moose delicacy?

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:01 am

Players ----------- Voted For:
1 Vorret----------
2 Holman-------- Remus West
3 BB2112--------- RMC
4 Scoop----------
5 Archinerd----- BB2112
6 Zarathud------- BB2112
7 Punisher-------
8 Unagi----------- Remus West
9 Remus West--- BB2112
10 RMC------------ BB2112
11 Grundbegriff-- BB2112
12 Moliere-------- Scoop
.
.
.
Targets ----------- Voters
( Scoop---------- 1 )--- Moliere ---
( RMC------------ 1 )--- BB2112 ---
( )--- ---
( BB2112--------- 5 )--- RMC --- Zarathud --- Remus West --- Archinerd --- Grundbegriff
( Remus West--- 2 )--- Unagi --- Holman ---
( )--- ---

Deaths
Newcastle--- Peace Out
El Guapo----- Salsaed

Majority = 7

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:43 am

Grundbegriff wrote:Against 2 is the fact that his actions have sown confusion while buying us a whole lotta nothing.

Here is a huge disagreement and what I do not get. Scoop has not created the confusion. Unagi has. His suggestion that "Scoop is a wolf but do not lynch him" is the source of the confusion. If you feel he is a wolf on day 1 why the hell would you not lynch him? If you felt like Scoop was a wolf day 1 and refused to vote for him you look awfully bad in my eyes. If you suggested the plan that caused this..........thus my feeling that Unagi is a wolf.

Day 1:
14 players
11 good guys 3 bad guys
lynch a generic wolf and today we would be at 10/2
lynch a berserker wolf and today we would be at 9/2 with the berserker having gone off blind (or they would have killed blind last night).
lynch a good Scoop and we are at 9/3 same as we are today except the question regarding Scoop still exists today.
How in the hell is lynching Newcastle better than that? Because the Seer may have scanned Scoop? How does that clear confusion without his coming forward?

The fact that I believe Scoop would be a miss is immaterial to how horrible Unagi's little plan was/is for the village.

My issue is not with the Scoop is evil claim but with the plan regarding what to do about it.

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:53 am

Remus West wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:Against 2 is the fact that his actions have sown confusion while buying us a whole lotta nothing.
Here is a huge disagreement and what I do not get. Scoop has not created the confusion. Unagi has. His suggestion that "Scoop is a wolf but do not lynch him" is the source of the confusion. If you feel he is a wolf on day 1 why the hell would you not lynch him? If you felt like Scoop was a wolf day 1 and refused to vote for him you look awfully bad in my eyes. If you suggested the plan that caused this..........thus my feeling that Unagi is a wolf.

Day 1:
14 players
11 good guys 3 bad guys
lynch a generic wolf and today we would be at 10/2
lynch a berserker wolf and today we would be at 9/2 with the berserker having gone off blind (or they would have killed blind last night).
lynch a good Scoop and we are at 9/3 same as we are today except the question regarding Scoop still exists today.
How in the hell is lynching Newcastle better than that? Because the Seer may have scanned Scoop? How does that clear confusion without his coming forward?

The fact that I believe Scoop would be a miss is immaterial to how horrible Unagi's little plan was/is for the village.

My issue is not with the Scoop is evil claim but with the plan regarding what to do about it.

I went a different direction because until the no scoop vote on BB, I thought he was a villager. But with that refusal to vote, it has gotten me rethinking that.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:58 am

Remus West wrote:The fact that I believe Scoop would be a miss is immaterial to how horrible Unagi's little plan was/is for the village.

Unagi's little plan for the village?

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:01 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Punisher wrote:
Archinerd wrote:
Punisher wrote:however, I do have a habit of inadvertently siding with wolves, so there is that..
Well, that gives me an idea then. Who would you say are your top 3 most trustworthy players?
Scoop...ish...
Remus...
don't really have a 3rd, but gut says BB is safe.
Given the current state of things, that's a funny list. Funny odd, not the other one.

Keep in mind, it may be too early for my backwards wolf sense to have kicked in yet.. It is usually day 3 or 4 when I start to get true feelings.
I haven't been around much for a while. Do you have a reputation for reverse spidey-sense?

This is my 4th or 5th game. I have been good in every game. In every game except the last one (where I was the seer and got a lucky day 1 scan on the alpha wolf) I ended up believing and backing up a wolf at multiple points. This did not seem to protect me from the wolves since I was usually night killed by them within the first few days.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:08 pm

Unagi wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:Remus rejects 1 and embraces 2; his enthusiasm for 2 makes it seem as if he dismisses 3 and 4, but I find 1, 2, and 3 about equally plausible. Why, Unagi, are you so fixated on 1 rather than... more rationally agnostic?
Seriously. I believe I've made it pretty clear that I am a #1 or #3 guy... and that I think Scoops play earned Scoop a scan.

I've not been sitting here demanding that Scoop is a Zerker. I've been defending my right to leave that possibility on the table.

And as to why a Zerker Scoop would make the play, but then back down... Perhaps a Zerker Scoop wanted to be lynched rather than shot... and dialed back the 'claim', but still kept making a few posts like "Kill me!".

But, yeah - Scoop is Scoop. So.

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:The fact that I believe Scoop would be a miss is immaterial to how horrible Unagi's little plan was/is for the village.
Unagi's little plan for the village?

Are you trying to deny that it was not you who suggested Scoop be scanned and lynched day 1? Was that not what happened? Do we not have a mess in large part due to that plan being followed?

If you really believed Scoop to be a wolf on day 1 then lynching him was by far the best option but you wanted nothing to do with that.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:48 pm

I'm simply mesmerized NY Remus versus Unagi. I think this is one for the ages.

Could they both be wolves? Could they both be villager? Or is it as I suspect and Unagi is the wolf but Remus doesn't trigger my gut and that scares me most of all.

OK. Back to bb2112. I admit I am gun shy after Newcastle. I was a good 90% sure he was a baddies.

Where BB on that vote?

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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:50 pm

Sorry. Posting on the phone means my English is at 50%

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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:53 pm

I will say all the attention on my vote sure does feel like a set up, huh?

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Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:06 pm

Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:Remus rejects 1 and embraces 2; his enthusiasm for 2 makes it seem as if he dismisses 3 and 4, but I find 1, 2, and 3 about equally plausible. Why, Unagi, are you so fixated on 1 rather than... more rationally agnostic?
Seriously. I believe I've made it pretty clear that I am a #1 or #3 guy... and that I think Scoops play earned Scoop a scan.

I've not been sitting here demanding that Scoop is a Zerker. I've been defending my right to leave that possibility on the table.

And as to why a Zerker Scoop would make the play, but then back down... Perhaps a Zerker Scoop wanted to be lynched rather than shot... and dialed back the 'claim', but still kept making a few posts like "Kill me!".

But, yeah - Scoop is Scoop. So.

Unagi wrote:
Remus West wrote:The fact that I believe Scoop would be a miss is immaterial to how horrible Unagi's little plan was/is for the village.
Unagi's little plan for the village?
Are you trying to deny that it was not you who suggested Scoop be scanned and lynched day 1? Was that not what happened? Do we not have a mess in large part due to that plan being followed?

If you really believed Scoop to be a wolf on day 1 then lynching him was by far the best option but you wanted nothing to do with that.

I'd rather shoot the zerker. and I had NO CLUE that he was a wolf. I didn't "REALLY BELIEVE" he was a wolf I really "THOUGHT IT POSSIBLE". and hence -- back-pocket the Zerker for a day or 2.

Yeesh. It's not hard to follow.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:12 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I will say all the attention on my vote sure does feel like a set up, huh?

No. We're responding to your action which makes you look guilty. Guilty! Guilty!

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:53 pm

Ok, this is bothering me. Last game I was a bad guy and nobody suspected me. This game I am a good guy and everyone says I'm playing different. Duh!

I keep saying it, I am a miss. But not a special. 2 misses for the village is not the end of the world, but RMC is a far better choice. I am convinced he is not out for the good of the village.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:16 pm

Fine. Crucify me if we are wrong.

kill bb2112

I will say my heart isn't in this.

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Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:18 pm

It's ok - he's only now at N-1 (again), I think....

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:18 pm

What?!?

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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:19 pm

I get all that crap and it's not even the kill vote!!

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Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:24 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I get all that crap and it's not even the kill vote!!

Nope.

withdraw Scoop20906

bb2112

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:32 pm

Well, now he's dead.
At least I saw the light at the right moment

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:51 pm

Players ----------- Voted For:
1 Vorret----------
2 Holman-------- Remus West
3 BB2112--------- RMC
4 Scoop---------- BB2112
5 Archinerd----- BB2112
6 Zarathud------- BB2112
7 Punisher-------
8 Unagi----------- Remus West
9 Remus West--- BB2112
10 RMC------------ BB2112
11 Grundbegriff-- BB2112
12 Moliere-------- BB2112
.
.
.
Targets ----------- Voters
( )--- ---
( RMC------------ 1 )--- BB2112 ---
( )--- ---
( BB2112--------- 7 )--- RMC --- Zarathud --- Remus West --- Archinerd --- Grundbegriff --- Scoop --- Moliere
( Remus West--- 2 )--- Unagi --- Holman ---
( )--- ---

Deaths
Newcastle--- Peace Out
El Guapo----- Salsaed

Majority = 7
VOTING CLOSED

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:04 pm

Town Folk test BB2112
It was a long day and people were getting tired. Remus and BB2112 were both a target but no one seemed to want to be the one that cast that deciding vote. The debate between Unagi and Remus West grew tense and was rather entertaining to some. Those that found it entertaining decided it would be great to have them go at it some more and switched their vote to BB2112.
Zarathud grabs the syringe and injects BB2112 quickly before he could react. BB2112 turns to Zarathud with a surprised look on his face and says, “I don’t feel so well.”
Zarathud frowns, “I’m so sorry BB”

BB2112 starts to gag, “I think I’m going to be sick.” Zarathud steps back as a green slime spews from BB’s mouth and coats Zarathud’s face and upper torso. A few people watching snicker and then Zarathud starts screaming. Everyone shuts up and stares in stunned silence as Zarathuds skin begins to melt away. He collapses to the floor and thrashes and then lays still.
Everyone turns to BB2112 as he also collapses to the floor. Punisher grabs the shotgun and a large adult parasite erupts from BB’s stomach. Punisher blasts it with the first barrel sending it skidding across the floor, it twitches and Punisher unleashes the second barrel, splattering the parasite against the wall.
BB2112 was infected with the Alpha Parasite.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:05 pm

HA!!

holy moly.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:05 pm

So, then - he was Alpha? or just infected with the Alpha's parasite?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:07 pm

Unagi wrote:so, bb is likely not a wolf.

I had him in my 'likely wolf'...

I'm perhaps needing to rethink things.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:08 pm

Oh wait, sorry - just read that.

He was the Zerker,
Sorry Zarathud. Missed that you died there.

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:12 pm

You're welcome. Next up: Scoop.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:13 pm

Well shit, I guess Scoop is evil after all

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:14 pm

Or not... I dunno... why didn't he Scoop him ...

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:15 pm

Parasite? Yeah, perhaps... But I did not expect ZERKER!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:15 pm

Vorret wrote:Well shit, I guess Scoop is evil after all

well, see - it makes Scoop is a Zerker off the table. So, I am just not so certain about that.

What makes you say it's now so clear? am I missing something?