The Parasite -GAME OVER-Town wins

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:05 pm

Zarathud wrote:Wow. A clusterfuck already.

Tell me again why we're not voting for Scoop then RMC? Because this is bizarre.

<sigh> Watch who is trying to tie me to Scoop. I never make it to the end game anymore, and sure I will not this time either.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:24 pm

Crap. Next thing I know people will start tying me to me. So frustrating!!!!!

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Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 6:59 pm

Well that was easy.

Scoop

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:22 pm

RMC wrote:<sigh> Watch who is trying to tie me to Scoop. I never make it to the end game anymore, and sure I will not this time either.

You did throw yourself on Scoop while he's a burning dumpster fire -- after he came out of the blue with "well, I lied again."

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:24 pm

Zarathud wrote:
RMC wrote:<sigh> Watch who is trying to tie me to Scoop. I never make it to the end game anymore, and sure I will not this time either.
You did throw yourself on Scoop while he's a burning dumpster fire -- after he came out of the blue with "well, I lied again."

I did, and I still don't think he is a wolf. <shrug>

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:32 pm

I'm either not a wolf or a guy who is so bad at this game he can't even get the number of days elapsed right. Or maybe both.

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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:33 pm

OK. Susposed I vote. Hmm.

Actually let me do a little reading. Remember, the wolves would be pretty sure I was lying and would get exposed pretty easily.

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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:53 pm

Moliere wrote:
Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.

Since when do you provide a reason or analysis for your vote?

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Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:02 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:But you sure waited long enough to announce.

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THIS makes you look not like a fake Villager - but a fake. IMO

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:04 pm

Ok, setting aside the fact that Scoop is being Scoop for a moment: Would a wolf (even a Scoop wolf) expose himself on day one with a claim that could be easily countered since nobody has died yet? I get that Scoop is unpredictable and a little on the crazy side, but does that make a lot of sense? There was no real heat on him (or anyone) yet.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:05 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:
Moliere wrote:
Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.
Since when do you provide a reason or analysis for your vote?

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knock it off. that's what I said.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:09 pm

bb2112 wrote:Ok, setting aside the fact that Scoop is being Scoop for a moment: Would a wolf (even a Scoop wolf) expose himself on day one with a claim that could be easily countered since nobody has died yet? I get that Scoop is unpredictable and a little on the crazy side, but does that make a lot of sense? There was no real heat on him (or anyone) yet.

So, the wolves DID (facto) get stopped by the protector last night.

Either:
a) wolf scoop came out first thing and claimed protector to get the protector out.
b) villager scoop came out in an attempt to fuck with everyone but hope that it ends up helping his side
c) protector scoop came out and declared he again was the day-1-protector

Since then - El Guapo has countered that claim. So, Scoop is most certainly either a, b, or c But El Guapo is most certainly .... Not a wolf willing to dive into all this, and certainly not a Villager willing to fuck with everyone even more...

SO, since El Guapo isn't a wolf or villager - that makes Scoop either a) or b).

I'm about ready to lynch him, BUT WAIT - let's just scan him (Seer) - and move on. Scoop can be cleared or condemned - and make the Wolves deal with a Villager Wolf, for now.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:11 pm

bb2112 wrote:Ok, setting aside the fact that Scoop is being Scoop for a moment: Would a wolf (even a Scoop wolf) expose himself on day one with a claim that could be easily countered since nobody has died yet?

This IS scoop.

/shuffles to the bikini beach babe contest
"touch...touch"

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:12 pm

I'd rather be killed than scanned frankly. But I'm just a miss so guess what... We won't hit a special.

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Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:12 pm

Unagi wrote:
Scoop20906 wrote:
Moliere wrote:
Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.
Since when do you provide a reason or analysis for your vote?

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knock it off. that's what I said.

It was a good point.

But frankly I think the wolves avoided talking about me.

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Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:55 pm

Unagi wrote:SO, since El Guapo isn't a wolf or villager - that makes Scoop either a) or b).

I'm about ready to lynch him, BUT WAIT - let's just scan him (Seer) - and move on. Scoop can be cleared or condemned - and make the Wolves deal with a Villager Wolf, for now.

Now that makes some sense, I think.

When Scoop pulls this crap, the wolves hide.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 9:00 pm

Scoop,

If you're just a villager acting weird, what was your aim in trying to out our Protector?

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:45 pm

Scoop20906 wrote:I'd rather be killed than scanned frankly. But I'm just a miss so guess what... We won't hit a special.

How are you still alive?

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:22 am

El Guapo wrote:So the protector definitely succeeded, right? I'm not missing any other way for no one to have died?

And since the protector can't protect the same person twice, there's no reason for the wolves to kill anyone other than whomever they targeted last night, right? Unless a special gets outed or something?

Seems like the protector should out themselves if they protected themselves, given the likely death and spoofing potential. Not sure why the protector should out themselves if they protected someone else.

Because they may have protected the Seer and that player will probably be targeted for tonight's kill but I went over all that multiple times last game.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:28 am

Unagi wrote:
Moliere wrote:
Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.
Wait - a - minute.
You are actually making a vote that is based on something for real here? Who are you, and what have you done with Moliere?

Well, I have to figure that El Guapo and Moliere had much higher chances of being parasites because if either login got chosen he would want the other on the same team to keep it simpler between the personalities. Therefore either make great votes.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:34 am

Remus West wrote:
Unagi wrote:
Moliere wrote:
Unagi wrote:Um.
Scoop 'came out' with his first post , 2nd post, and then his 3rd post
Exactly. He's trying too hard to utilize what happened in a previous game.
Wait - a - minute.
You are actually making a vote that is based on something for real here? Who are you, and what have you done with Moliere?

Well, I have to figure that El Guapo and Moliere had much higher chances of being parasites because if either login got chosen he would want the other on the same team to keep it simpler between the personalities. Therefore either make great votes.

Or not.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:35 am

Unagi wrote:
bb2112 wrote:Ok, setting aside the fact that Scoop is being Scoop for a moment: Would a wolf (even a Scoop wolf) expose himself on day one with a claim that could be easily countered since nobody has died yet? I get that Scoop is unpredictable and a little on the crazy side, but does that make a lot of sense? There was no real heat on him (or anyone) yet.
So, the wolves DID (facto) get stopped by the protector last night.

Either:
a) wolf scoop came out first thing and claimed protector to get the protector out.
b) villager scoop came out in an attempt to fuck with everyone but hope that it ends up helping his side
c) protector scoop came out and declared he again was the day-1-protector

Since then - El Guapo has countered that claim. So, Scoop is most certainly either a, b, or c But El Guapo is most certainly .... Not a wolf willing to dive into all this, and certainly not a Villager willing to fuck with everyone even more...

SO, since El Guapo isn't a wolf or villager - that makes Scoop either a) or b).

I'm about ready to lynch him, BUT WAIT - let's just scan him (Seer) - and move on. Scoop can be cleared or condemned - and make the Wolves deal with a Villager Wolf, for now.

How would you like us to obtain the results of that scan?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:40 am

I think the word would be: eventually, if at all.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:31 am

Unagi wrote:I think the word would be: eventually, if at all.

So how is that a good plan for the village?

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:56 am

I'm not sure Scoop is a wolf... I guess he could be but why overexpose on day one, makes no sense to me.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:07 am

Vorret wrote:I'm not sure Scoop is a wolf... I guess he could be but why overexpose on day one, makes no sense to me.

That's what I'm saying.

Moliere

Pushing hard for a Scoop lynch.

I am also not too keen on Unagi. Seems like he took Scoop at face value way too easily and I don't like the waste of a scan on Scoop this early. I do agree with let the wolves sort the Scoop thing out. But it is too early to vote Unagi. If he is good, he is too good of a detective for the village to lose this early.

bb2112 · Post by **bb2112** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:08 am

NC, you are good at reading Unagi. What do you think of his play so far?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:16 am

I'm willing to hold off from Scoop and see what develops. I definitely think he has some 'splainin to do.

withdraw Scoop

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:23 am

Vorret wrote:I'm not sure Scoop is a wolf... I guess he could be but why overexpose on day one, makes no sense to me.

a. this is scoop
b. he's mr. splodie ("i much rather be killed than scanned" he said)
c. he doesn't want to remain in the game for long due to being RL busy (guessing); so he makes this play
d. this IS scoop

having said that

remove scoop

we could quarantine him.

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:23 am

bb2112 wrote:NC, you are good at reading Unagi. What do you think of his play so far?

too early to tell

Newcastle · Post by **Newcastle** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:34 am

rmc

trying too hard

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:41 am

So, there are a couple possibilities re: Scoop.

(1) He is a non-special villager trying to provide cover for the agent (me). Scoop could probably surmise that the agent probably protected himself, because there's no good reason for the agent to protect anyone else (who could be a wolf) on night 0. The theory would be that the wolves might aim for him instead of the protector.

One problem with this is it's unclear why exactly this would motivate the wolves to target someone else. They know that they targeted me and that I was protected night 0 (and can't be protected on night 1). If Scoop were the protector, they would know that he is eligible for protection night 1. Why gamble on targeting Scoop (who could be protected, and may or may not be the protector) rather than killing me who is definitely not protected?

The other problem is that villager Scoop has no way of knowing who the true agent is. If it was someone who did not self-protect (and who is thus not in danger), they might be pushed into revealing themselves when they otherwise could choose to remain hidden. OR:

(2) He is a wolf trying to spoof the protector. Obviously the problem with this theory is that the wolves know for certain that the protector is alive and can contest. Possible that Scoop is gambling that he can get a non-self protecting agent to reveal themselves, and then fall back on the (plausible) "I'm just a wacky Scoop trying to draw the wolves fire!" defense for safety. Or he could be gambling that a self-protecting agent might not reveal (in the hopes that Scoop does successfully draw the wolves' fire), they then kill the self-protecting agent, and Scoop can go on passing himself off as the agent.

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:53 am

If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :

I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.

Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:58 pm

Vorret wrote:If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :

I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.

Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.

No, a wolf Scoop definitely wouldn't say that. The only people who know for certain who was targeted last night are the wolves and the protector. Since I know that I'm the protector, if Scoop specifically claimed that he protected me, then I would know essentially for certain that he was a wolf. In that scenario he could succeed in getting the village to lynch me today, but even if he did he would be the next lynch tomorrow.

I'm on the fence. On the one hand my gut (though that's not terribly reliable in these games) finds the "Scoop as villager trying to draw fire" a little more plausible. BUT on the other hand for a day 1 lynch Scoop is high reward low risk (since he's either a wolf or a regular villager).

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:08 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Vorret wrote:If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :

I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.

Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.
No, a wolf Scoop definitely wouldn't say that. The only people who know for certain who was targeted last night are the wolves and the protector. Since I know that I'm the protector, if Scoop specifically claimed that he protected me, then I would know essentially for certain that he was a wolf. In that scenario he could succeed in getting the village to lynch me today, but even if he did he would be the next lynch tomorrow.

I'm on the fence. On the one hand my gut (though that's not terribly reliable in these games) finds the "Scoop as villager trying to draw fire" a little more plausible. BUT on the other hand for a day 1 lynch Scoop is high reward low risk (since he's either a wolf or a regular villager).

Actually he could last 3 days with that claim.
You die tonight, tomorrow he doesn't die at night (he protects himself) we don't lynch him on D2, if he doesn't die on N3 then yeah, now he gets lynched.

It's not a bad gamble and it kills our protector right off the bat.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:01 pm

Vorret wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Vorret wrote:If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :

I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.

Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.
No, a wolf Scoop definitely wouldn't say that. The only people who know for certain who was targeted last night are the wolves and the protector. Since I know that I'm the protector, if Scoop specifically claimed that he protected me, then I would know essentially for certain that he was a wolf. In that scenario he could succeed in getting the village to lynch me today, but even if he did he would be the next lynch tomorrow.

I'm on the fence. On the one hand my gut (though that's not terribly reliable in these games) finds the "Scoop as villager trying to draw fire" a little more plausible. BUT on the other hand for a day 1 lynch Scoop is high reward low risk (since he's either a wolf or a regular villager).
Actually he could last 3 days with that claim.
You die tonight, tomorrow he doesn't die at night (he protects himself) we don't lynch him on D2, if he doesn't die on N3 then yeah, now he gets lynched.

It's not a bad gamble and it kills our protector right off the bat.

He could last three days with his "I'm a protector" claim without saying who he protected. He would only last one day if he said that he had protected me, because then either he or me would have to be a wolf (once I contested his protector claim).

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:03 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Vorret wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Vorret wrote:If Scoop was a wolf the only thing that would have made sense is to come out and say :

I'm the protector and I protected El Guapo last night.

Just alluring at the role is odd though since it doesn't help in any way.
No, a wolf Scoop definitely wouldn't say that. The only people who know for certain who was targeted last night are the wolves and the protector. Since I know that I'm the protector, if Scoop specifically claimed that he protected me, then I would know essentially for certain that he was a wolf. In that scenario he could succeed in getting the village to lynch me today, but even if he did he would be the next lynch tomorrow.

I'm on the fence. On the one hand my gut (though that's not terribly reliable in these games) finds the "Scoop as villager trying to draw fire" a little more plausible. BUT on the other hand for a day 1 lynch Scoop is high reward low risk (since he's either a wolf or a regular villager).
Actually he could last 3 days with that claim.
You die tonight, tomorrow he doesn't die at night (he protects himself) we don't lynch him on D2, if he doesn't die on N3 then yeah, now he gets lynched.

It's not a bad gamble and it kills our protector right off the bat.
He could last three days with his "I'm a protector" claim without saying who he protected. He would only last one day if he said that he had protected me, because then either he or me would have to be a wolf (once I contested his protector claim).

good point, carry on

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:12 pm

Players ----------- Voted For:
1 Newcastle----- RMC
2 Vorret----------
3 Holman--------
4 BB2112--------- Moliere
5 Scoop----------
6 Archinerd-----
7 El Guapo-------
8 Zarathud-------
9 Punisher-------
10 Unagi-----------
11 Remus West---
12 RMC------------ BB2112
13 Grundbegriff--
14 Moliere-------- Scoop
.
.
Targets ----------- Voters
( Scoop---------- 1 )--- Moliere ---
( BB2112--------- 1 )--- RMC
( Moliere-------- 1 )--- BB2112
( RMC------------ 1 )--- Newcastle
( )---

Deaths

Majority = 8

Vorret · Post by **Vorret** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:03 pm

Moliere

He's against poutine.

Scoop20906 · Post by **Scoop20906** » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:06 pm

FYI guys. My death guarantees we don't hit a special and since we lose El Guapo tonight then we can kill a non special and try again tomorrow or roll dice and come up:

Newcastle

If I'm wrong you can kill me tomorrow because maybe just maybe I know something. Lol!!!

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