Octopus Overlords

Team Evil
Trump: each night he fires someone.
Pence: takes over if Trump is lynched or removed from office

Optional:
Putin: each night he will hit a player with a nerve agent. If it's someone other than Trump they will be sick and unable to talk during that next day. If he gets Trump then he takes over for Trump with Pence still in the VP slot. He can then start communicating with Pence. Trump's death would only be reported as a normal night kill. Stormy and Mueller's powers do not apply to Putin if he takes over. Putin's kill shot happens before Trump's firing so there would only be one night kill if Trump is targeted.
(This makes for an interesting dynamic if, for example, Pence doesn't talk for a day. It also potentially switches the player from Good to Evil in the middle of the game. He can still be fired by Trump or outed by Theresa.)

Team Good
Stormy Davis: if Trump tries to fire her then he breaks the NDA and is publicly exposed to the other players. If Pence takes over for Trump and tries to fire her then his wife divorces him for associating with another woman. The game will be over.
Rick Perry: if Trump/Pence/Putin tries to fire him he gets a one time opportunity to move to a new Cabinet position and avoid being fired.
Robert Mueller: each night he scans in search of Trump. He will only be told that he found Pence if Trump has been removed from the game. If Trump tries to fire him then he is removed from office and the game. If Pence has taken over for Trump then he can fire Mueller.
Theresa May: gets a night scan looking for Putin.
Rex Tillerson: if he is fired by Trump then the announcement during the day would be lots of praise by Trump on what a fantastic job he's doing. The next day he would be fired, leading to a possibility of two firings on the same day.
Melania Trump: if Trump tries to fire her then she takes him out with her and both are removed from the game. Pence takes over for Trump.

Everyone has a role, though some are only passive. The current setup is for 9 players with 7 against 2. Thoughts?

Moliere wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:51 pm
Everyone has a role, though some are only passive. The current setup is for 9 players with 7 against 2. Thoughts?

So what prevents all the good guys from coming out an announcing their role?

Because it would tell Trump who to avoid firing. Also, team evil could come out as one of the villagers.

Besides everyone coming out and revealing, I see another potential issue with the rule set.

Stormy Davis: if Trump tries to fire her then he breaks the NDA and is publicly exposed to the other players. If Pence takes over for Trump and tries to fire her then his wife divorces him for associating with another woman. The game will be over.
Melania Trump: if Trump tries to fire her then she takes him out with her and both are removed from the game. Pence takes over for Trump.

That is two land mines for Trump and one for Pence. It would be very difficult for Team Evil to get to a majority if they get taken out when they try to fire other players. Firing is the only power team evil has. Stormy and Melania can come out early and make sure they don't get lynched and Trump can't fire them.

I kind of like the concept, but the balance needs some work. I also don't know how to get around the everyone reveal situation.

bb2112 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:33 am I kind of like the concept, but the balance needs some work. I also don't know how to get around the everyone reveal situation.

Can someone explain in simple terms how this game would be different then any other game where everyone could reveal?

Punisher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:47 am

bb2112 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:33 am I kind of like the concept, but the balance needs some work. I also don't know how to get around the everyone reveal situation.

Can someone explain in simple terms how this game would be different then any other game where everyone could reveal?

If everyone has a unique role than claiming it narrows the field down to you and whomever tries to contest you - i.e. the bad guys. Anyone not claiming a unique role has to be a bad guy.

If the roles are the numbers 1-9 with 1 and 2 being bad guys if 3-9 all come out and say "I'm #" then 1 and 2 are left to choose not claiming a role - and thus being caught - or claiming a role and thus being contested and caught. Day 1 you go from 9 players trying to find 2 bad guys in an unknown pool to at worst 5 known good guys trying to find 2 bad guys in a pool of 4 potential with a successful lynch confirming another good guy. Bad guys can not win.

Make Putin Team Evil but have to find Stormy and Mueller. Putin can silence them allowing Trump/Pence to safely kill. Gives Good a reason to hide and more contested if they all reveal.

Remus West wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:54 am

Punisher wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:47 am

bb2112 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:33 am I kind of like the concept, but the balance needs some work. I also don't know how to get around the everyone reveal situation.

Can someone explain in simple terms how this game would be different then any other game where everyone could reveal?

If everyone has a unique role than claiming it narrows the field down to you and whomever tries to contest you - i.e. the bad guys. Anyone not claiming a unique role has to be a bad guy.

If the roles are the numbers 1-9 with 1 and 2 being bad guys if 3-9 all come out and say "I'm #" then 1 and 2 are left to choose not claiming a role - and thus being caught - or claiming a role and thus being contested and caught. Day 1 you go from 9 players trying to find 2 bad guys in an unknown pool to at worst 5 known good guys trying to find 2 bad guys in a pool of 4 potential with a successful lynch confirming another good guy. Bad guys can not win.

What if the good roles were numbered 1-10, the roles were randomly assigned AND could be duplicated (Except the seer and protector maybe). Then there could legit be 4 #6's for example.

More than one Trump??????


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Zarathud wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:11 pm Make Putin Team Evil but have to find Stormy and Mueller. Putin can silence them allowing Trump/Pence to safely kill. Gives Good a reason to hide and more contested if they all reveal.

I like this. That way he can still poison people, fulfilling his role in the world, er, I mean game.

I'll be in once the dust settles and the rule monkeys have finished it.

Do we have enough interest to make it worth it to finalize the rules?

I'm not a fan of the theme, but if you're short let me know and I may join.

I am in please


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In

I will be in as well.

Possibly

bb2112 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:33 am Besides everyone coming out and revealing, I see another potential issue with the rule set.

Stormy Davis: if Trump tries to fire her then he breaks the NDA and is publicly exposed to the other players. If Pence takes over for Trump and tries to fire her then his wife divorces him for associating with another woman. The game will be over.
Melania Trump: if Trump tries to fire her then she takes him out with her and both are removed from the game. Pence takes over for Trump.

That is two land mines for Trump and one for Pence. It would be very difficult for Team Evil to get to a majority if they get taken out when they try to fire other players. Firing is the only power team evil has. Stormy and Melania can come out early and make sure they don't get lynched and Trump can't fire them.

I kind of like the concept, but the balance needs some work. I also don't know how to get around the everyone reveal situation.

I used these roles to replace the Hunter getting a protection every night. It changes the dynamics slightly, but offers a similar concept.

Moliere wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 12:26 pm

bb2112 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:33 am Besides everyone coming out and revealing, I see another potential issue with the rule set.

Stormy Davis: if Trump tries to fire her then he breaks the NDA and is publicly exposed to the other players. If Pence takes over for Trump and tries to fire her then his wife divorces him for associating with another woman. The game will be over.
Melania Trump: if Trump tries to fire her then she takes him out with her and both are removed from the game. Pence takes over for Trump.

That is two land mines for Trump and one for Pence. It would be very difficult for Team Evil to get to a majority if they get taken out when they try to fire other players. Firing is the only power team evil has. Stormy and Melania can come out early and make sure they don't get lynched and Trump can't fire them.

I kind of like the concept, but the balance needs some work. I also don't know how to get around the everyone reveal situation.

I used these roles to replace the Hunter getting a protection every night. It changes the dynamics slightly, but offers a similar concept.

The thing about the protection is it usually can't be used on the same person on consecutive nights giving team evil an opportunity for a kill. Plus the protection gets spread around so there are more potential targets, less potential cross over. Unless I am misunderstanding the rules, Stormy and Melania's protection is on constantly for just themselves. It is a permanent block. In order for team evil to win they would have to get lucky and kill everyone else without being killed themselves.

Make Stormy's and Melania's ability a 1 time use. Or better yet, give Trump/Pence a Veto power that will block a players night ability. They then can choose to use it on their kill target or block someone else from scanning or using their ability.