Halflife 2 HAS been Cracked! Hahaha! Oh, and CS:S was TOO!

[raydude]

Dude, i'll gladly go back to broadband......as soon as I start receiving your monthly checks to pay for it.
Duh.

Oh, and I don't have Steam now, so i don't know where your first paragraph is coming from.

I'm glad Steam is working so well for you, really.
But it has kept me from spending my 'not-so-easy-to-come-by' cash on HL2 because I don't fit into Valve's perfect "model consumer"

And guess what i did then?
Went out and bought Doom3 to play instead.....and it's quite good

Well, this attitude fits in perfectly well with the fact that games are a luxury item, period. Valve knows this. Valve also knows that not all luxury items are created equal, and their product is a little higher priced than others (when you factor in the cost of an internet connection).

While it may not sit well with a consumer who doesn't have the cash to afford a broadband connection, one cannot expect Valve to do something about that. It's not like Valve is a socialist company or is releasing something that improves the good of mankind. It's a game, a luxury item, something that is not critical to life, nor critical to improving the quality of life.

As Zekester has shown, he has chosen a luxury item that is cheaper yet provides the same enjoyment to him as HL2 would to another person.

[edited to fix a stupid spelling error]

[IceBear]

I guess things are different in the US than here in Canada but I couldn't imagine being a hardcore gamer and not having broadband. When Valve said you had to have an internet connection to play HL2 I honestly didn't think there would be many on here that would not be able to met that requirement.

There isn't one person I work with or know that doesn't have broadband at home, and most of them aren't gamers.

[EvilHomer3k]

Steam working fantastically for me. So I don't complain about it. I don't care that it is using a precious 17MB of RAM while it sits idly on my machine at all times. I don't get what the big deal is. Any more than the people complaining about the Service Control Manager running while Windows XP is running.

You're right. Up until every company requires a 17 meg leech to sit in my system tray hogging resources. Imagine every game you own doing this. Sucking up 17 meg for Madden 2005, Doom 3, UT2k4, HL2, Far Cry, and Painkiller. 17x6=102. That's 102 meg of crap installing itself into my system tray. I don't like it. I know you CAN turn it off but I sholdn't have to. It should be off by default and should start only when I start the game. It should do it's check and then exit.

The analogy to Windows services is way off. Windows is an OS. HL2 is a game. Windows HAS TO RUN if I want to run windows. True, there are non essential services that are loaded that can be turned off. However, every time I start my computer I am going to run XP. Not so with HL2.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problems with a 15 minute activation process, HL2 requiring an internet connection to activate, or downloading the game directly. However, there need to be refinements. It needs to be less intrusive. I need to get more for my $50. I doubt I'll buy HL2 through steam. Part of the reason is that if I sell it, who is going to want to pay for my access code and a burned dvd? Can I even sell the game to someone else if I get it through steam?

[IceBear]

I imagine it's on by default to prevent dumb end users from not figuring out how to turn it on and thus not be able to run the game. Two/three clicks and it's off by default and only starts when I start HL2.

I guess I'm too easy going, but I don't see why I should miss out on a game like HL2 just because it starts an application that authenicates my game before starting. The first day I ran it, it seemed slow in doing this, but now it's barely noticeable.

[Zekester]

Dude, i'll gladly go back to broadband......as soon as I start receiving your monthly checks to pay for it.
Duh.

Oh, and I don't have Steam now, so i don't know where your first paragraph is coming from.

I'm glad Steam is working so well for you, really.
But it has kept me from spending my 'not-so-easy-to-come-by' cash on HL2 because I don't fit into Valve's perfect "model consumer"

And guess what i did then?
Went out and bought Doom3 to play instead.....and it's quite good

Well, this attitude fits in perfectly well with the fact that games are a luxury item, period. Valve knows this. Valve also knows that not all luxury items are created equal, and their product is a little higher priced than others (when you factor in the cost of an internet connection).

While it may not sit well with a consumer who doesn't have the cash to afford a broadband connection, one cannot expect Valve to do something about that. It's not like Valve is a socialist company or is releasing something that improves the good of mankind. It's a game, a luxury item, something that is not critical to life, nor critical to improving the quality of life.

As Zekester has shown, he has chosen a luxury item that is cheaper yet provides the same enjoyment to him as HL2 would to another person.

[edited to fix a stupid spelling error]

Oh great.....so now we have elitist GAMES to go along with elitist gamers?

[Blackhawk]

Until only a couple of years ago, I wasn't one of their customers, either - I was stuck at 26.4k. According to Nielsen//NetRatings, 45% of homes in the US had broadband, out of 68% that had internet access. Only about 12% had sub-56k lines. That is just based on population - not any particular demographic. It includes little old ladies with 200MHz Dells.

PC gamers tend to be more tech-savvy, and more up to date. It is my guess that if you just surveyed serious PC gamers, you'd find those numbers being much higher. Probably 99% have some sort internet connection. I doubt more than 5% of gamers are stuck below 56k - remember, only 12% of all internet users are at that level.

Yes, it sucks to be in that 5%, but come on - if 95% of your potential customer base is able to buy and use your product, do you serve the 5% or do you serve the 95%? If you have a resturaunt that 95% of the people in town like, do you close it because 5% don't?

[Zaxxon]

Yes, it sucks to be in that 5%, but come on - if 95% of your potential customer base is able to buy and use your product, do you serve the 5% or do you serve the 95%?

YOU MUST SERVE THE 5% THE SAME AS THE 95% OR ELSE!!!1111!!

BLOWN SALE!!!!!!!

[LawBeefaroni]

Yes, it sucks to be in that 5%, but come on - if 95% of your potential customer base is able to buy and use your product, do you serve the 5% or do you serve the 95%?

YOU MUST SERVE THE 5% THE SAME AS THE 95% OR ELSE!!!1111!!

If you serve the 5% to the 95%, you save money on purchasing meat and you now have 100%. (going from Blackhawks restaurant analogy).

[Zaxxon]

YOU MUST SERVE THE 5% THE SAME AS THE 95% OR ELSE!!!1111!!

If you serve the 5% to the 95%, you save money on purchasing meat and you now have 100%. (going from Blackhawks restaurant analogy).

Ahh, but if the meat consumed by the 5% makes you 1/4 of the profit, and encouraging consumption of that meat results in a significant portion of the 95% choosing that meat instead of the more enticing (to the restauranteur) meat, you can see that it quickly becomes a losing proposition for the proprietor of the establishment.

The income that Valve sees from direct steam sales is (presumably) several times that of what they see from Vivendi sales. If they lose 5% of their customers and gain 300% profit on the other 95%, the decision of which route to go is beyond trivial. And that's not even touching on the tangential benefits that Valve reaps, for example lowered piracy rates and the ability to stick it to their publisher.

[LawBeefaroni]

Ahh, but if the meat consumed by the 5% makes you 1/4 of the profit, and encouraging consumption of that meat results in a significant portion of the 95% choosing that meat instead of the more enticing (to the restauranteur) meat, you can see that it quickly becomes a losing proposition for the proprietor of the establishment.

Actually, you don't feed the 5% anything. They're being fed to the 95%. The assumption is they've already been fattened up somewhere else. Once they're eaten, you just switch back to steak or whatever you were using before. The 95% now becomes 100% (albeit the same number of people but you now have 100% market saturation in the town). Any newcomers either eat at your place or become burger meat.

[setaside]

hmm .. so do we need to change the Trading Place rules to allow burned copies of HL2 now?

For all we know the game could be calculating a hash on your 4+ GB HL2 file, for which 10-15 minutes ain't half bad.

Not half bad for all of the comp-sci people who know what the hell "calculating a hash on your 4+ GB HL2 file" means. For the rest of the people, it's a hell of a long time.

[UsulofDoom]

I say, sorry bout the hassle but deal with it. Whether it seems like it to you or not, this is progress.

Sorry but I see this as a step back. I remeber using a teletype machine were I would have to log on the main frame to play 10X10 grid star trek game. . That is what steam is all about. They are trying to do away with the personal pc.

[raydude]

Oh great.....so now we have elitist GAMES to go along with elitist gamers?

I know this was meant as tongue in cheek, but don't miss the point of the message. And that is, value is in the eye of the purchaser. Even more so for luxury items.

Personal case in point. I love simulations. I'd love to buy Dangerous Waters, Pacific Fighters, and Silent Hunter III. However, I probably will only be able to buy one if I want to live within my means. Does that mean the game I buy is an elitist game and that I'm an elitist gamer?

Hell no! I'm buying just one because that's all I can afford! Period. End of Story. You bought Doom3 because that's what you evaluated as your purchase of choice and that's all you could afford. Period! End of Story! Your value judgement is different from mine, but that's what makes the market work.

[Zaxxon]

For all we know the game could be calculating a hash on your 4+ GB HL2 file, for which 10-15 minutes ain't half bad.

Not half bad for all of the comp-sci people who know what the hell "calculating a hash on your 4+ GB HL2 file" means. For the rest of the people, it's a hell of a long time.

Sorry. Basically it's a method of getting a unique small amount of data from a much larger amount of data; a sort of footprint. For example, Valve could have a hash of the HL2 data as released by them, and then be able to detect whether you've altered your copy in any way without having you send the whole 4 GB back up to them for checking, by forcing you to hash your copy and send them the result. If they match, you haven't frocked with your copy.

[Chesspieceface]

Progress? That's the funniest thing I've heard all day, dude.

Sorry but I see this as a step back. I remeber using a teletype machine were I would have to log on the main frame to play 10X10 grid star trek game. . That is what steam is all about. They are trying to do away with the personal pc.

I disagree with both of you. It may not be progress toward something you like, but it is progress for the game development industry as a whole. It is progress toward eliminating games publishers and retail outlets from the profit chain of the developer. Its a rocky start but someone had to do it, and as someone else stated ONLY a game as good and anticipated as HL2 had a chance to.

I firmly believe that despite its flaws, a system of direct distribution will lead to better games produced by more succesful developers with happier employees and more relaxed work practices. It is no coincidence that at the same time VALVe is moving away from publishers there is a huge debate raging about unethical work environments at EA GAMES.

So yeah it sucks to buy a game and have ANY kind of hassle between the consumer and gaming goodness (or suckage for that matter). But it is an unfourtunate by-product, a side-effect if you will, of pioneering something that will be very, very good for their industry. Even if the vocal few dislike it, or find it invasive.

[TheMissingLink]

I didn't bother to read this thread really...but saw something very interesting/awesome. Apparently, Valve released a warez version of HL2/CS:S...Gabe Newell was quoted as saying this:

"We're running a bit of an experiment. We're keeping track of the accounts that do this and will be shutting them off."

That is friggin' awesome.

[IceBear]

Are you serious? Wow! So then it really hasn't been cracked then?

[Jow]

It's definitely subjective, I guess. I'll continue to be in the minority and choose to not involve myself with a product that requires extra software be installed and running at all times for me to be able to play it. *shrug*

[Zaxxon]

Are you serious? Wow! So then it really hasn't been cracked then?

I haven't seen or heard anything that would indicate that is has been cracked. I don't follow the warez scene, but no one here has stepped up and given evidence that it's been cracked.

[IceBear]

Someone above just said it had been and to change the title back, and it got changed back.

BTW - I saw this about multiplayer support in HL2

http://www.hl2world.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=15325

[Zaxxon]

Someone above just said it had been and to change the title back, and it got changed back.

Someone also said that Mortyr was a good game, but this does not make it so. I want evidence, or at least a few confirmations!

[IceBear]

Someone above just said it had been and to change the title back, and it got changed back.

Someone also said that Mortyr was a good game, but this does not make it so. I want evidence, or at least a few confirmations!

Oh, I agree. I wasn't 100% believing it to be true but I've seen some impressive stuff from the pirates, and now it looks like the one that may be legit is a Valve scam. Excellent Smithers

[ImLawBoy]

Originally posted by Jow:
I'll continue to be in the minority and choose to not involve myself with a product that requires extra software be installed and running at all times for me to be able to play it.

To be clear, it only needs to be running when you're playing the game, and not at all times otherwise. That may have been what you meant, but I'm clarifying for those who may have misinterpreted, and are basing a purchasing decision on this issue.

[ImLawBoy]

P.S. Mortyr sucks.

[Chesspieceface]

This Site which does NOT host or distribute warez, keeps track of releases. According to them the DVD version is in circulation. I've not found them to be incorrect in the past.

[IceBear]

But just because there's a DVD version of the game out there doesn't mean it can be used - you'd need to scam Steam somehow. It's one thing to copy the disk, it's another to make it useable

[Chesspieceface]

True IceBear, in this case it doesn't mean too much. Normally the ISO contains a no-cd crack, but there is the Steam issue. The readme for that release, which is also on the site, states that it emulates Steam and has a crack. I find that hard to believe, but as I said above that site only tends to list working releases. I have no need to seek out this particular release as I gladly fork my $$ to VALVe and purchased via Steam. But perhaps this release is the very trap laid by Gabe and Co.

Honestly I don't care whether it was cracked. And I don't think that Steam's MAIN purpose is anti-piracy. People need to look at the bigger picture of why VALVe would spend so much to develop a content distribution model like this one. There will always be pirates.

[Ranulf]

The comment that Valve released a warez version is a rumor and not much of one. All that was really supposedly said was that they are tracking people's IP's who download the HL2 warez versions that are out there.

One version is out, was nuked, but apparently fixed and it emulates steam to get around the activation crap. There is also a dvd version of the release but I've not heard anything other than its out on the net.

[setaside]

For all we know the game could be calculating a hash on your 4+ GB HL2 file, for which 10-15 minutes ain't half bad.

Not half bad for all of the comp-sci people who know what the hell "calculating a hash on your 4+ GB HL2 file" means. For the rest of the people, it's a hell of a long time.

Sorry. Basically it's a method of getting a unique small amount of data from a much larger amount of data; a sort of footprint. For example, Valve could have a hash of the HL2 data as released by them, and then be able to detect whether you've altered your copy in any way without having you send the whole 4 GB back up to them for checking, by forcing you to hash your copy and send them the result. If they match, you haven't frocked with your copy.

Did I ever mention that I'm one of those comp-sci people?

[Rich in KCK]

There is something fishey about the cracked version that is out IMO. The group claiming they cracked it is one I've never heard of before. After a search on the NFOrce lists (another site that only reports cracks it doesn't offer hacks or downloads) the only other cracks they've done are CS games in the last month. A new group shows up out of nowhere and all they have managed to do is crack STEAM while the big name groups have stayed away, odd.

Their little symbol they use in their NFO also happens to be the same sybol as Valve uses for STEAM. Most groups use a unique symbol all their own.

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If the mods feel this post or image needs to be deleted then I understand and do so or let me know and I will, I just wanted to point out the similarities that give the post about Valve intentionaly releasing a cracked version some credence.

[KiloOhm]

I'm good with everything in your post until the CHEAPER part. I'm not sure prices will lower because of Steam.

Right. This reminds me of when CDs came out and were going to make music (and games) cheaper since they were cheaper to manufacture and they couldn't be pirated (and they couldn't easily for a few years). Believe me, it's like when Dunkin Donuts puts that little sign in the window saying they apologize for the increase in coffee prices but there was a Coffee Bean freeze in brazil and until this is rectified prices will remain high - they NEVER come back down.

Games have been $50 for 15+ years now, I'm shocked they haven't gone to $60 - $80 by now.

[GungHo]

I'm good with everything in your post until the CHEAPER part. I'm not sure prices will lower because of Steam.

Right. This reminds me of when CDs came out and were going to make music (and games) cheaper since they were cheaper to manufacture and they couldn't be pirated (and they couldn't easily for a few years). Believe me, it's like when Dunkin Donuts puts that little sign in the window saying they apologize for the increase in coffee prices but there was a Coffee Bean freeze in brazil and until this is rectified prices will remain high - they NEVER come back down.

Games have been $50 for 15+ years now, I'm shocked they haven't gone to $60 - $80 by now.

Well that's just it. There is a cost of living increase in this country of around 1.5-2%/year. If new distribution methods can help keep it at that cost for another 15 years, Im all for it. You're right that it is shocking game prices havent increased, when everything else in the country has, but have no worries, they will eventually. Anything that forestalls or slows that, Im probably all for it.

[Zaxxon]

Games have been $50 for 15+ years now, I'm shocked they haven't gone to $60 - $80 by now.

Exactly. The people complaining about $50-60 for games really need to take a reality check.

$49.99 in 1990 has the same buying power as $73.02 in 2004.

$34.23 in 1990 has the same buying power as $50.00 in 2004.

The costs of game development have skyrocketed in the last 15 years, as have the number of games competing for our dollars (especially when you factor in the increased number of platforms competing). Yet games in 1990 cost $50-$70, and have gone down, where they should have increased to $70-$90 just to keep pace with inflation.

[bluefugue]

True, and I've got the 1990 Origin games catalog to prove it!

[The Preacher]

What else makes Steam different from Drengin.net I wonder?

It really comes down to the difference between GalCiv/Disciples and HL2. Drengin allows independent games an avenue to get to consumers, games normally ignored by publishers. Steam is an attempt for developers to actually beat publishers at their own game simply because they are moving one of the most anticipated games ever -- Valve obviously had no issue "getting to" consumers w/ HL2.

Drengin is a matter of survival; Steam is an attempt at a paradigm shift (excuse the cliche). Of course, Drengin could accomplish the same if they got hotly anticipated titles (say a Civ4).

(Not that I'm saying anything you don't know.)

[Eco-Logic]

I told you all a few pages ago that it has been cracked. There is no guessing about it.

From one version:

HALF.LIFE.2.RETAiL.CLONECD-INYOFACE
Here it is, the Clone of the RETAIL Half Life 2 CD's
Extract the files and burn / mount with clonecd or daemon tools
Game has protection to prevent it from running with a mounted image
CD2 will extract files called CD1, but it is actually CD2
hate the game not the player!

From the other:

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² Release Date : 19-11-2004 Protection : Simple ²
² File Count : 32x50 MB Game Genre : Action / FPS ²
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° Game info: °
Û Û
Û The player again picks up the crowbar of research scientist Û
Û Gordon Freeman who finds himself on an alien-infested Earth Û
Û being picked to the bone, its resources depleted Û
Û its populace idwindling. Freeman is thrust into the unenviable Û
Û role of rescuing the world from the wrong he unleashed back at Û
Û Black Mesa. And a lot of people he cares about are counting on him. Û
Û Û
Û Features: Û
Û - Advanced facial animation Û
Û system delivers the most sophisticated in-game characters ever seen. Û
Û With 40 distinct facial "muscles," human characters convey the full Û
Û array of human emotion, and respond to the player with fluidity Û
Û land intelligence. Û
Û Û
Û - From pebbles to water to 2-ton trucks respond as expected, Û
Û as they obey the laws of mass, friction, gravity, and buoyancy. Û
Û Û
Û - Source's shader-based renderer, like the one used at Pixar to Û
Û create movies such as Toy Story® and Monster's, Inc, creates Û
Û the most beautiful and realistic environments ever seen in a video game. Û
Û Û
Û - Neither friends nor enemies charge blindly into the fray. Û
Û They can assess threats, navigate tricky terrain Û
Û and fashion weapons from whatever is at hand. Û
Û Û
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Û Release Notes: Û
Û Û
Û This is a Steamrip of Half-Life 2 from Steam (doh). Û
Û All unnecessary files were removed, crack is already applied and should workÛ
Û fine now Û
Û Our previous version was not working correctly also not with the APE fix Û
Û thats why we made this one! Û
Û If you still have save files from previous version just copy them over. Û
Û Û
Û BUY THE GAME IF YOU LIKE IT! ENJOY! Û
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Û Û
Û 1. Unpack the release with WinRAR or WinACE Û
Û 2. Run Launcher.exe and the game will start Û
Û 3. Enjoy! Û
° °

From the offline patch:

Just click on Patch HL2.exe , search for the file and apply
Have a nice game!

I'm playing retail so don't flame me.

[Eco-Logic]

The 2nd one is the one that is allegedly from Valve ( don't believe it for a second).

The first one was cracked by another group.