Civillization IV Walkthrough by Sulla

abr · Post by **abr** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:08 am

The more instinctive and emotional parts of my brain are screaming 'Fool! What are you waiting for? Go ... run to the store and pay whatever it costs!', but currently sanity and budgeting still manage to keep them in check.

ChrisGwinn · Post by **ChrisGwinn** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:50 am

I sort of ignored this one, since I have a huge backlog and don't actually play these sorts of games that often. But everything I'm reading about #4 sounds great to me - these walkthroughs are great. Maybe I'll try to pick it up.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:59 pm

I like that units can now share the same tile, although it's going to change some of my strategies.

Then again, if other civs actually have to respect my borders, i won't have to create my "line of units" to keep 'em out!

Peacedog · Post by **Peacedog** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:35 pm

I sort of ignored this one, since I have a huge backlog and don't actually play these sorts of games that often. But everything I'm reading about #4 sounds great to me - these walkthroughs are great. Maybe I'll try to pick it up.

Weird, I had you pegged as a big 4x guy (or is it just the Civ games in particular)?

Possibly just because I've often mistaken your posts in these types of things for my own.

ChrisGwinn · Post by **ChrisGwinn** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:17 pm

Peacedog wrote:
I sort of ignored this one, since I have a huge backlog and don't actually play these sorts of games that often. But everything I'm reading about #4 sounds great to me - these walkthroughs are great. Maybe I'll try to pick it up.
Weird, I had you pegged as a big 4x guy (or is it just the Civ games in particular)?

Possibly just because I've often mistaken your posts in these types of things for my own.

I like them when I play them, but it's been a long time since I've played them. I don't think I've fired up Civ3 in a couple of years. Other than PBEM, I've played very little SMAC in the last couple of years. I bought MOO3 and set it aside fairly quickly. And that's it for the last several years.

Peacedog · Post by **Peacedog** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:37 pm

And that's it for the last several years.

Hell, there hasn't been much else. Moo3 was a disaster. I find Dominions I & II far too inacessible (really, that interface. . .*shudders*). Space Empires IV was years ago, early this decade wasn't it? I wasn't even ever into that series. It's been dry time for the genre IMO.

The Preacher · Post by **The Preacher** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:40 pm

Day 2 was an even better read. I'm dying to start playing.

Peacedog · Post by **Peacedog** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:45 pm

The Preacher wrote:Day 2 was an even better read. I'm dying to start playing.

Agreed. I can't say how happy I am about the production queue changes. Post Moo, the best production system I've seen was in Stars!. Where you had a pool of resources, and you could build as much as you wanted on a planet limited only by available minerals + resource output. Leftover resources could be dumped into tech research (or, you could just leave the queue empty). The stars! economy was simple: people modestly generate reosurces by being alived on your planet. Build factories to generate resources (cost: some resources, some minerals). Build mines to extract minerals (cost: resources).

And yet you could get rather complex with it. You could queue up any number of things: terraforming, ships, space stations, a few planetary improvements (defenses or a planetary scanner). By not limiting to 1 type fo thing per turn, it really opened the game up.

Here, w're still dealing with 1 thing at a tiome. However, production is no longer some sort of "all you get is what you have this turn" deal. It makes more sense ot have it save. Ditto research (worked that way in stars to, and it's very nice).

Also, I'm thinking the maintenance changes will be a positive. No longer will we fret over individual cities quite the same way. Which is good. It still costs time to make something, but we no longer have to follow certain build orders in certain periods just to keep the empire afloat & keep a city from being useless. Now, buildings are generally just about creating positives, not staving off negatives (civ buildings did both). Or so it sounds.

It sounds promising.

ChrisGwinn · Post by **ChrisGwinn** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:02 pm

Peacedog wrote:
And that's it for the last several years.
Hell, there hasn't been much else. Moo3 was a disaster. I find Dominions I & II far too inacessible (really, that interface. . .*shudders*). Space Empires IV was years ago, early this decade wasn't it? I wasn't even ever into that series. It's been dry time for the genre IMO.

That's a good point. Maybe it's not me. I should at least try to finish something first.

Peacedog · Post by **Peacedog** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:05 pm

ChrisGwinn wrote:I should at least try to finish something first.

Or maybe somebody should make us a game that doesn't suck? It's always the other person. Always.

ChrisGwinn · Post by **ChrisGwinn** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:37 pm

Peacedog wrote:
ChrisGwinn wrote:I should at least try to finish something first.
Or maybe somebody should make us a game that doesn't suck? It's always the other person. Always.

I just got a GoGamer order that contained Darwinia, Space Rangers 2 and the new Serious Sam. I'm not allowed to complain for a while.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:28 pm

Well, I have to say, reading these daily walkthroughs is driving me crazy.

On the one hand, I absolutely love the style and the content - better than any preview imo (IF you are a previous Civver - because you can really see "what's different and how" better), but otoh, he has ruined my plans to get just one more Civ 3 game in before I buy Civ 4.

Hell, I was going to fire up Conquests the other night before I read this accursed write up.

Also ruined my latest plan to hold off buying this until the inevitable and $34.99 sale at Best Buy since I have such a backlog (can you say System Shock II?).

How can I go back now? I have seen things that the new Civ does (or doesn't do) that I will not now be able to accept in Civ 3 DAMMIT. Half of the stuff, I was not even really aware of, or it did not bother me enough to ever stop playing.

But now, with the "new baby" in the family, Civ 3 is EVIL - EVIL I TELL YA!! damn, dude...and I never even got to play a "Conquest" from the expansion. I SAY DAMN YOU SIR.

Sepiche · Post by **Sepiche** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:43 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:Well, I have to say, reading these daily walkthroughs is driving me crazy.

On the one hand, I absolutely love the style and the content - better than any preview imo (IF you are a previous Civver - because you can really see "what's different and how" better), but otoh, he has ruined my plans to get just one more Civ 3 game in before I buy Civ 4.

Hell, I was going to fire up Conquests the other night before I read this accursed write up.

Also ruined my latest plan to hold off buying this until the inevitable and $34.99 sale at Best Buy since I have such a backlog (can you say System Shock II?).

How can I go back now? I have seen things that the new Civ does (or doesn't do) that I will not now be able to accept in Civ 3 DAMMIT. Half of the stuff, I was not even really aware of, or it did not bother me enough to ever stop playing.

But now, with the "new baby" in the family, Civ 3 is EVIL - EVIL I TELL YA!! damn, dude...and I never even got to play a "Conquest" from the expansion. I SAY DAMN YOU SIR.

You're not alone in those thoughts.

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Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:31 pm

Is this link dead for anyone else? I wasn't able to get in yesterday either...dying to read the rest of it.

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:03 pm

Apparently it was so popular his sever had to shut it down.

There's a thread about it somewhere...

Peacedog · Post by **Peacedog** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:16 pm

Yes, too much bandwidth. So thety moved the walkthrough to a new location, and the same thing happend.

The old home that was formerly the new home, not to be confused with the old home that was formerly the first home.

The Preacher · Post by **The Preacher** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:56 pm

Peacedog wrote:Yes, too much bandwidth. So thety moved the walkthrough to a new location, and the same thing happend.

The old home that was formerly the new home, not to be confused with the old home that was formerly the first home.

It's dead, Jim.

This is the CivFanatic thread to monitor. Sulla will post when he gets it PDF'd and uploaded to a new site.

Peacedog · Post by **Peacedog** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:13 pm

It's dead, Jim.

I said that!!!

Sponge · Post by **Sponge** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:33 pm

The Preacher wrote:
Peacedog wrote:Yes, too much bandwidth. So thety moved the walkthrough to a new location, and the same thing happend.

The old home that was formerly the new home, not to be confused with the old home that was formerly the first home.
It's dead, Jim.

This is the CivFanatic thread to monitor. Sulla will post when he gets it PDF'd and uploaded to a new site.

Heh, I'm the 'KingSponge' dude he's referring to and I'm just waiting to receive all of the files. Should be any time now...

The Preacher · Post by **The Preacher** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:39 pm

Peacedog wrote:
It's dead, Jim.
I said that!!!

I'm a doctor, not an interpreter.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:05 pm

Sponge:

Nice of you to offer to host...

Can you post in this thread if/when this is back online again (in any format)?

Or anyone else for that matter...

Thanks,

Bruce

Sponge · Post by **Sponge** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:17 am

Carpet_pissr wrote:Sponge:

Nice of you to offer to host...

Can you post in this thread if/when this is back online again (in any format)?

Or anyone else for that matter...

Thanks,

Bruce

Somebody beat me to it and was hosting multiple PDF's but his server appears to be blown away already. However, another fella put up a torrent for it here

Koz · Post by **Koz** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:55 am

Man, I want to read this (missed the last 3 parts), but I can't get torrents from work. Do they actually expect me to do work?

Lynn · Post by **Lynn** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:49 pm

Try this link (this is where I was able to read them):
http://www.guybailey.com/sullla/

You will need Adobe installed to read the PDFs.

Koz · Post by **Koz** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:52 pm

Ooh, excellent, thanks. I will grab them before it gets swamped (although I think someone above mentioned it was).

Lynn · Post by **Lynn** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:01 pm

Koz
Let me know if you are unable to get them. I have them saved in .doc (MS Word) format as well. Only if Sullla has no objections - I could send them to you in that format - without, or without the screenies.

Lynn

Koz · Post by **Koz** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:41 pm

I got em, thanks!

gwartok · Post by **gwartok** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 8:46 pm

Sulla's page is back up in a new home.

http://civ4info.com/Sullla/civ4.html