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Are they going to make another game that really badly wants to be an MMO but forgot the multiplayer part?

Not that I didn't enjoy my one and only playthrough, but damn if that game didn't need some serious filler reduction.

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I enjoyed the game quite a lot, and I'm not really into these kinds of games (or even rpgs, really, any more) but didn't the original game have all sorts of financial issues? I feel like it just sat idle on Steam for years without a loving parent (company) to actively manage it.

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Yeah, there's a whole story about how the company that made it got lured from Massachusetts to Rhode Island with loan incentives or whatever, and then the state screwed them over and they had to shut down literally overnight. They were working on some kind of MMO, and this was like a halfway point, I guess? As I recall, they were owned by a big baseball guy (Curt Shilling) and had R.A. Salvatore on board for writing supervision. Too bad they didn't hire an accountant.

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Schilling is a nut bucket.

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Isgrimnur wrote:
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Schilling is a nut bucket.
Not gonna argue that one. He did like his World of Warcraft back in the day, though, according to a story Salvatore told when I went to one of his book signings.

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I have an admittedly vague recollection that there was a fair amount of incompetence and lying on the part of the company as well.

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Yeah, there's a whole story about how the company that made it got lured from Massachusetts to Rhode Island with loan incentives or whatever, and then the state screwed them over and they had to shut down literally overnight. They were working on some kind of MMO, and this was like a halfway point, I guess? As I recall, they were owned by a big baseball guy (Curt Shilling) and had R.A. Salvatore on board for writing supervision. Too bad they didn't hire an accountant.
And Todd MacFarlane handled art design. It was a great set of talents.


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I have an admittedly vague recollection that there was a fair amount of incompetence and lying on the part of the company as well.
38 Studios was idiotic with their money. They were working on two games, their loan wasn't enough to cover it (which they knew in advance), and Amalur's profits didn't make up the difference. 38 Studios was making a product with money they didn't have, hoping that KoA would make up the difference, not taking into account operating costs in the meantime, and every other fuck-up in the book. When it came time to make the first loan payment to Rhode Island, the check bounced. Then the payroll didn't happen. Then the studio declared bankruptcy, just months after KoA released. Schilling was ruined, his personal saving sunk, and even the bank that made the loan got stomped by the SEC because they also knew the risks, but didn't communicate them to investors.

Schilling screwed up so bad that criminal charges were even being discussed.
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It didn't help that they came out very close to the release of Skyrim. Which would you rather play??
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It didn't help that they came out very close to the release of Skyrim. Which would you rather play??
I'm not being facetious when I say Amalur, although I didn't highly anticipate either of them. I'm not even sure I own Skyrim, I think my son owns it. I didn't pick up Amalur until it was cheap. I think I borrowed (borrow, lol) it from a co-worker when it first came out. I've made two 1/2 assed attempts to start Skyrim and failed both times. I made 1 decent attempt at Amalur, and a second attempt where I finished it.

If you asked me which is the better game, I would intellectually tell you Skyrim, obviously. But you asked me which one I'd rather play, and that's Amalur, because...reasons.

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GreenGoo wrote:
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It didn't help that they came out very close to the release of Skyrim. Which would you rather play??
I'm not being facetious when I say Amalur, although I didn't highly anticipate either of them. I'm not even sure I own Skyrim, I think my son owns it. I didn't pick up Amalur until it was cheap. I think I borrowed (borrow, lol) it from a co-worker when it first came out. I've made two 1/2 assed attempts to start Skyrim and failed both times. I made 1 decent attempt at Amalur, and a second attempt where I finished it.

If you asked me which is the better game, I would intellectually tell you Skyrim, obviously. But you asked me which one I'd rather play, and that's Amalur, because...reasons.
For some reason, I'm in the same boat, in that I'd rather play KoA than Skyrim. I can't think of a single reason why. Must be the brain damage from having played through KoA. :lol:

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It didn't help that they came out very close to the release of Skyrim. Which would you rather play??
Skyrim. But that didn't stop me from purchasing, playing & completing both.

Looking back, I finished Skyrim with two different builds but ranked KoA higher.
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Skyrim had a lot more hours in it than KOA though. Better value if you liked it at all I think.
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Skyrim had a lot more hours in it than KOA though. Better value if you liked it at all I think.
Probably, although I don't know about better value. That's a tougher one to call and pretty subjective, although I follow you.

Steam says I have 128 hours in KoA, but I have no way of knowing (unless there is a timer on the save files, I'm not loading it up) how much of that was me and how much was my son. That was before he had his own account so he would have used my account. I have no idea how many hours (or even if it could be measured in hours) he played it.

That's a lot of hours anyway you slice it for an RPG I only finished once.

I vaguely remember playing around with a lot of alts at the beginning, so that could have taken up a lot of time. As much as 30 hours of the same content over and over with different character builds?

In any case, there's no question Skyrim is more popular, and sold far more copies.

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The discussion is too subjective, and largely irrelevant. First, most people don't judge value in a game by dividing price by hours. Second, whether someone prefers game A or game B is like saying that one food is better than another, or Star Trek is better than Star Wars. It's personal, and what appeals to one person is going to be different from what appeals to another.

And it's irrelevant because the original point, though stated badly, was that Amalur launched next to a similar title that was an established franchise and had more hype.
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And it's irrelevant because the original point, though stated badly, was that Amalur launched next to a similar title that was an established franchise and had more hype.
Which is why the original question as to which game you'd rather play was more interesting.

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It's relevant to me for sure. I want to know how much time I can expect given the price for the game. If I recall correctly, KOA wasn't a $60 game at the beginning right?

I'm far more likely to give a game a shot at $10 than I am at $60, that's for sure.
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Unless we're talking something like buying Call of Duty just for the 4-hour single player campaign, I don't really distinguish between 60 hours with Amalur, 400 hours with Skyrim, or DBT's 7,000 hours with Civilization 5. As long as I'm getting enough hours to make it worth the money, I'm happy. While I may skip a game I want to play solo if I find out you can finish it in a single afternoon, I'm never, ever going to get a game that's less fun just because it takes twice as long.
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Now with more remastering:
A listing on the Microsoft Store confirms that Kingdoms of Amalur: Re-Reckoning will release on August 11. According to the product description it is "remastered with stunning visuals and refined gameplay," and all DLC will be included.

The remaster is being handled by Kaiko, which worked on the Darksiders remasters as well as Legend of Kay: Anniversary Edition, to name a few.

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I think this is 50% off right now on Origin so $9.99. But I cant see it in the store. Something about Origin if you own the game it takes you to your library and not the store. Kinda silly. And it needs a remaster. The graphics bugged me. Some companies give you the remaster free if you own the game. Would be nice.
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are they going to add gameplay?
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are they going to add gameplay?
I think it needs a few more sidequests.
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If they can pay me for the time I'll spend replaying the game, I might play it. It was good, but not good enough that I'm going to sink my time into it just for some slightly updated graphics.

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naednek wrote:
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are they going to add gameplay?
I laughed.

On a serious note, I didn't hate it. But it wasn't very exciting. The landscapes were mostly empty and uninspiring. The combat was alright, but I went with magic and it quickly became way too OP. I'd drop several AOEs on groups as they approached. It was extremely rare for anything to get close enough to even take a shot at me. I suppose, maybe, I could be talked into another run as melee or ranged. But that's a tough sell considering the unplayed games in my backlog.
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On a serious note, I didn't hate it. But it wasn't very exciting.


That was my feeling. It played like any MMO, except that there was no endgame to work toward, just random quests all over the place. I just lacked... direction? Motivation? Something. The individual parts (aesthetics, lore, combat, magic, items, etc) were actually good, but they just didn't come together well. Perhaps its a bit like Fallout 3 in that regard - fun pieces, but lacking something in the big picture.
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I'd really like to know what "refined gameplay" means. I do remember a LOT of side quests that could probably be removed, but I don't know if that is what they are doing.
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Based on the comments (not just here) I'm guessing I was in the top 10% of people who liked the game the most. Still, absolutely no interest in a remake.
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I played it start of finish and I think I did every quest available. I was so over-leveled (and overpowered) at some point it became a real breeze. I enjoyed it tremendously but it was very clearly an MMO that was morphed into a SP game.

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I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t enjoy it enough to jump into a remake unless it comes with some significant improvements to the incredibly dull questing structure.
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I really enjoyed it, but then I skipped all the extraneous quests and stuck to the main story arcs. If you did that, the game was really quite good.

I remember one of the developers saying they never intended people to stick in one area long enough to do all the quests. On the one hand I get it, those quests were just there to make the game more flexible from a leveling perspective and feel bigger but probably not the best idea to design content you don’t intend people to play.

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Delayed a few weeks, but a trailer was released:



New game content coming in 2021. Not at all what I expected.

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I'd be a bit more interested knowing there's additional content. Still very much on the fence, but will keep an eye on it.

Side note: If you're doing a remaster of a game from 2012, why would you not show any gameplay at all in your trailer. Don't you think that's what people will actually be interested in seeing, rather than a CGI cutscene?
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Skinypupy wrote:
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Side note: If you're doing a remaster of a game from 2012, why would you not show any gameplay at all in your trailer. Don't you think that's what people will actually be interested in seeing, rather than a CGI cutscene?
+1

That's what I was interested in. I came away from the trailer having learned nada... :(
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I'd be a bit more interested knowing there's additional content.
Additional content? Man, the reason I haven't finished it yet is because of all the content.

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Alefroth wrote:
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I'd be a bit more interested knowing there's additional content.
Additional content? Man, the reason I haven't finished it yet is because of all the content.
Sorry, bad phrasing. I don't want more content, I want them to streamline the overwhelming-ness from the original.

It can certainly be done. The recent Xenogears Chronicles Remaster did an incredible job of taking literally hundreds of annoying sidequests and turning them into an enjoyable process that encouraged exploration of the gameworld.

I also want Curt Schilling to never see a single thin dime from this remaster effort.
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I can get behind that.

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Yeah, is there something I need to sign?

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Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:54 pm
Alefroth wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:38 pm
Skinypupy wrote:
Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:57 am
I'd be a bit more interested knowing there's additional content.
Additional content? Man, the reason I haven't finished it yet is because of all the content.
Sorry, bad phrasing. I don't want more content, I want them to streamline the overwhelming-ness from the original.

It can certainly be done. The recent Xenogears Chronicles Remaster did an incredible job of taking literally hundreds of annoying sidequests and turning them into an enjoyable process that encouraged exploration of the gameworld.

I also want Curt Schilling to never see a single thin dime from this remaster effort.
It's a bit disappointing I haven't seen any mention of streamlining/improving the fetch quests. I remember playing the game thinking, "Oh, yeah, I'm going to be skipping many of these sidequests".

My friends and I started skipping sidequests in Dead Island...and things vastly improved with our sessions. I love sidequests...unless they are "Gather X things" without some nice story to make it worth the effort of obtaining.
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So I went ahead and picked this up. It’s more of the same, which is about what I was looking for right now. RPG comfort food with a very slightly better coat of paint.

The only real problem is that the load times are absolutely atrocious on PS4. 30-60 seconds later very time you enter or exit a building. And since you’re doing that very often, it can end up feeling like you’re spending more time in loading screens than anything else. It’s obnoxious.

Other than that, it’s the exact same game as before...for better or worse.
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From the brief checking I did when it released, the main differences were some graphical improvements (see the video below), some changes to loot creation, a change in the ways areas were leveled, and the addition of an additional difficulty level. I've heard that there's also a big discount on the PC version if you own the original.

I'd actually like to give it another go when I can afford it. I haven't played it since my time on the PS3.

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The upgrade is $15 if you already own it in Steam. No discount on the PS4 version, as far as I could tell.
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