Master of Orion-Reboot
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It's not like combat was balanced in MooII, even after a patch that tweaked some weapons tech.
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I bought it - at $30 I had no willpower. Have not had a chance to play yet but will hopefully fire it up this weekend. More to follow...
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Yeah, same here. I was able to not buy it in early access, but this is one of the first games I bought and played to excess when I was younger.DD* wrote:I bought it - at $30 I had no willpower. Have not had a chance to play yet but will hopefully fire it up this weekend. More to follow...
I think this is the one game I installed on the computer that was in the lab I worked in when I was in the Navy. I had to 'hack' into the system with a boot disk. Early 90's, so not a ton of security on the computer back in the day.
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You are lucky Stark didn't call you out on the helicarrier.
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Heh. Funny story actually. The big 'games' on that computer were mine sweeper and solitaire. My chief use to sit there and play both and get the high scores. My 'boss' a 1st class PO, was a pain in the butt, and told me that I didn't know anything, so I was not allowed on the computer.Scoop20906 wrote:You are lucky Stark didn't call you out on the helicarrier.
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So I used a boot disk to get into the system(again, back in the day before BIOS passwords, etc.). I then did whatever I wanted to do on the PC. Including after one long boring watch getting all the high scores on the computer, and putting my bosses name on all of them.
When the Chief sat down to try to beat his High Score, he was pissed that not only couldn't he beat the lowest high score I had left, but he was mad my 'boss' had been playing on the computer. I am sure my Chief knew I had framed my boss, but he liked me and hated my boss, so my boss got in trouble and when he tried to blame me, I told him I was too stupid to use the computer, and was not allowed to use it.
So yeah, Stark would have caught me, but I wouldn't have given any f$%^ about it.
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My 1st Class work center supervisor brought his own PC on board (this was 93-94 so 486DX and early Pentium timeframe) and we'd play the hell out of X-Wing and Privateer.
Our Chief was heavily into playing Civilization on our shop PC so gaming was never a concern for us.
Our Chief was heavily into playing Civilization on our shop PC so gaming was never a concern for us.
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Yeah, I was a BT, because I was color blind, I was supposed to be a nuke, but got downgraded because of my color blindness. I think to be a BT you only had to remember your last name, remembering your first name was optional. I was one of the smarter people in my rate, and it showed on things with the computer.Brian wrote:My 1st Class work center supervisor brought his own PC on board (this was 93-94 so 486DX and early Pentium timeframe) and we'd play the hell out of X-Wing and Privateer.
Our Chief was heavily into playing Civilization on our shop PC so gaming was never a concern for us.
I was in from 91-95, so same time period as you.
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Great Story!!!RMC wrote:Heh. Funny story actually. The big 'games' on that computer were mine sweeper and solitaire. My chief use to sit there and play both and get the high scores. My 'boss' a 1st class PO, was a pain in the butt, and told me that I didn't know anything, so I was not allowed on the computer.Scoop20906 wrote:You are lucky Stark didn't call you out on the helicarrier.
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So I used a boot disk to get into the system(again, back in the day before BIOS passwords, etc.). I then did whatever I wanted to do on the PC. Including after one long boring watch getting all the high scores on the computer, and putting my bosses name on all of them.
When the Chief sat down to try to beat his High Score, he was pissed that not only couldn't he beat the lowest high score I had left, but he was mad my 'boss' had been playing on the computer. I am sure my Chief knew I had framed my boss, but he liked me and hated my boss, so my boss got in trouble and when he tried to blame me, I told him I was too stupid to use the computer, and was not allowed to use it.
So yeah, Stark would have caught me, but I wouldn't have given any f$%^ about it.
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Hmm, not sure what you are talking about, the game has a rating of 73 which while isn't great, isn't terrible either. Metacritic has it at 77%, and that's not terrible either.
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I would be interested in hearing your impressions after the weekend. I'm interested but hesitatingDD* wrote:I bought it - at $30 I had no willpower. Have not had a chance to play yet but will hopefully fire it up this weekend. More to follow...
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When I looked it was almost all negative. Must have picked up a bit.Grifman wrote:Hmm, not sure what you are talking about, the game has a rating of 73 which while isn't great, isn't terrible either. Metacritic has it at 77%, and that's not terrible either.
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Pcgamer review pretty much said it's a well done clone of the original MOO. Unfortunately what was ground breaking in the 90s feels old and days today.
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Uhm, I don't think so. I've been following it all along and it's pretty much rated between 70% and 75% the whole time during early access. It's always been "average" or thereabouts.tgb wrote:When I looked it was almost all negative. Must have picked up a bit.Grifman wrote:Hmm, not sure what you are talking about, the game has a rating of 73 which while isn't great, isn't terrible either. Metacritic has it at 77%, and that's not terrible either.
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Without tactical turn based combat? It might be a good game, but that was an extremely important feature and part of what made the game great (at least in my failing memory). It won't feel like MOO without it for me.Scoop20906 wrote:Pcgamer review pretty much said it's a well done clone of the original MOO.
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Yeah, the article mentioned this was a decisive point for the fans of the game. I have seen how the new combat works.Lee wrote:Without tactical turn based combat? It might be a good game, but that was an extremely important feature and part of what made the game great (at least in my failing memory). It won't feel like MOO without it for me.Scoop20906 wrote:Pcgamer review pretty much said it's a well done clone of the original MOO.
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I'm going back to GalCIv III. I've been playing since launch and agree with the guy who called it "Baby's first 4X" - it's shallow and pretty. The developers wanted to stick so close to the MOO 2 formula, it seems as though hardly any thought or creativity went into it. IGN said there was nothing particularly wrong with it, or anything particularly right, and I agree It's just a bog-standard, paint-by-the-numbers SF 4X.
IN a way I respect MOO 3 more. This might be the better game, but at least the developers were had the balls to try to advance the genre a bit. I'd rather see someone swing for the bleachers and strike out than bunt to a single.
IN a way I respect MOO 3 more. This might be the better game, but at least the developers were had the balls to try to advance the genre a bit. I'd rather see someone swing for the bleachers and strike out than bunt to a single.
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I could definitely use a triple A 4x with all the bells and whistles. If it turns out too dry, well, there are others with depth.
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It's definitely polished. It just doesn't have an original idea in it's pretty little head.GreenGoo wrote:I could definitely use a triple A 4x with all the bells and whistles. If it turns out too dry, well, there are others with depth.
I'm holding out hope for Endless Space 2.
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Does it have heros like MOO2?
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And that's fine, maybe. I really won't know until I give it a try myself. Stardrive II was essentially a MooII clone right down to the tech and I enjoyed it mostly.tgb wrote:It's definitely polished. It just doesn't have an original idea in it's pretty little head.GreenGoo wrote:I could definitely use a triple A 4x with all the bells and whistles. If it turns out too dry, well, there are others with depth.
I'm holding out hope for Endless Space 2.
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No.Scoop20906 wrote:Does it have heros like MOO2?
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Yet another condemnation of the idea that "if they just remake [insertbelovedgamehere] to run on a modern system they'll have a huge hit."tgb wrote: It's definitely polished. It just doesn't have an original idea in it's pretty little head.
It's also why nobody has ever quite delivered on a MOM sequel.
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If they had just remade it with pretty graphics, I would have bought it, especially if they made it into an easy to play tablet version. They didn't though, combat is this tedious looking RTS thing and it looks like they went off the deep end on trying to make it look pretty with animations, etc as well.Jeff V wrote:Yet another condemnation of the idea that "if they just remake [insertbelovedgamehere] to run on a modern system they'll have a huge hit."tgb wrote: It's definitely polished. It just doesn't have an original idea in it's pretty little head.
It's also why nobody has ever quite delivered on a MOM sequel.
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I'll jump on board and agree that it is a very pretty, very polished remake of MOO I with some elements of MOO II thrown in. For $30 I'm happy, but I would not have paid $50 for it.
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I will say one thing - people are saying it is a remake of MOO I. But remember, MOO I had all of these sliders for everything. I think this new version is MOO I's simplicity with the ship customization and UI of MOO 2. This is a disappointment, because race customization really feels a step back in comparison.
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Looks a lot more like MOO2 than MOO1 to me. Building, resource and population management look a lot more like MOO2.DD* wrote:I'll jump on board and agree that it is a very pretty, very polished remake of MOO I with some elements of MOO II thrown in. For $30 I'm happy, but I would not have paid $50 for it.
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Is this a good game?
Is it closer to MOO1 & 2 quality or MOO3?
Is it closer to MOO1 & 2 quality or MOO3?
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Looks like there was an update. This morning I was unable to continue from my previous game after a patch so I had to start a new game.
Immediately there were several new races to choose from (which I couldn't choose as they are apparently part of a DLC pack) but after starting a new game I was able to hire a leader.
As the game progressed I was able to hire a couple more leaders (some gave colony bonuses while others gave ship bonuses).
Suddenly, I was attacked by a small Antaran fleet so it looks like they're back again as well.
Immediately there were several new races to choose from (which I couldn't choose as they are apparently part of a DLC pack) but after starting a new game I was able to hire a leader.
As the game progressed I was able to hire a couple more leaders (some gave colony bonuses while others gave ship bonuses).
Suddenly, I was attacked by a small Antaran fleet so it looks like they're back again as well.
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The DLC is 10 bucks, and is three races. I bought it this morning and it took no time to download, so it looks like they are all in there and just need an 'okay' to unlock them.Brian wrote:Looks like there was an update. This morning I was unable to continue from my previous game after a patch so I had to start a new game.
Immediately there were several new races to choose from (which I couldn't choose as they are apparently part of a DLC pack) but after starting a new game I was able to hire a leader.
As the game progressed I was able to hire a couple more leaders (some gave colony bonuses while others gave ship bonuses).
Suddenly, I was attacked by a small Antaran fleet so it looks like their back again as well.
Will play when I get home tonight..
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Humble Bundle has this for only $15. Anyone recommend this?
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It is also $15 on GOG for anyone who might prefer that site. Can't help with recommendation, I do not currently own it.Grifman wrote:Humble Bundle has this for only $15. Anyone recommend this?
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I like it, I have not played it with the new patch or the DLC, but if you liked MOO 1 and 2, then I think you would like this version as well.
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It's good. It's slick and polished and there are no glaring bugs. My biggest complaint is that it breaks no new ground. That may not matter as much to you as it does to me, so YMMV, as they say.
If you're looking to replicate MOO 2 with something that offers a little bit new in the graphics department, you might want to try Stars in Shadow. It's Early Access, but pretty much feature-complete and definitely solid and playable.
If you're looking to replicate MOO 2 with something that offers a little bit new in the graphics department, you might want to try Stars in Shadow. It's Early Access, but pretty much feature-complete and definitely solid and playable.
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Heh, those graphics just turn me offtgb wrote:It's good. It's slick and polished and there are no glaring bugs. My biggest complaint is that it breaks no new ground. That may not matter as much to you as it does to me, so YMMV, as they say.
If you're looking to replicate MOO 2 with something that offers a little bit new in the graphics department, you might want to try Stars in Shadow. It's Early Access, but pretty much feature-complete and definitely solid and playable.
The game though looks interesting but it's too cartoony for me. But I'll probably pick up MOO, not looking for something different, just something well done. The most recent patch looks to have added some good stuff, so looks like a good time/price to pick it up.
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I'll just add here that if you loved the MOO2 tactical combat, then Stars in Shadow is what you're looking for. Awesome TB combat with fighters, bombers, carriers, capital ships including massive dreadnaughts, ship boarding and capturing, everything you'd want pretty much. It doesn't have ship stacking like the MOO games and that's a good thing since ship management is a lot easier. I love the game. They are still adding in the diplomacy stuff but it is really solid already and they keep making regular updates. Very happy I purchased it.tgb wrote:If you're looking to replicate MOO 2 with something that offers a little bit new in the graphics department, you might want to try Stars in Shadow. It's Early Access, but pretty much feature-complete and definitely solid and playable.
I'll probably pick up the official MOO remake too at some point when it's on a deep discount.
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This. I think most will like it, some will think it's too much of the same, but it's a well put together game, and even better the devs seem very responsive to the community and are still actively adding new features to the game.tgb wrote:It's good. It's slick and polished and there are no glaring bugs. My biggest complaint is that it breaks no new ground. That may not matter as much to you as it does to me, so YMMV, as they say.
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Stars in Shadow also has a really cool system for biomes and habitability on planets that is way more nuanced than any I have seen. Basically planets have certain attributes - oceanic, tidal pools, arctic depths, stuff like that. Each race has certain habitability ratings for different biomes. So a temperate planet may have arctic depths, but smaller than an entire ice ocean planet. So that means the space horseshoe crabs can live there, but their communities will be capped. You can also share planets with immigrants, POWs, and slaves. As they become part of your empire you can move them around. It all feels like Stellaris but with even more nuance. I really love the ideas here.ColdSteel wrote:I'll just add here that if you loved the MOO2 tactical combat, then Stars in Shadow is what you're looking for. Awesome TB combat with fighters, bombers, carriers, capital ships including massive dreadnaughts, ship boarding and capturing, everything you'd want pretty much. It doesn't have ship stacking like the MOO games and that's a good thing since ship management is a lot easier. I love the game. They are still adding in the diplomacy stuff but it is really solid already and they keep making regular updates. Very happy I purchased it.tgb wrote:If you're looking to replicate MOO 2 with something that offers a little bit new in the graphics department, you might want to try Stars in Shadow. It's Early Access, but pretty much feature-complete and definitely solid and playable.
I'll probably pick up the official MOO remake too at some point when it's on a deep discount.
I just hope the game gets finished. It is playable now, but still a little rough around the edges.
As to the new MOO, it is solid, but a tad... dull. The new races add some life, but the universe is still soooo boring compared to Distant Worlds or Stellaris. Mostly empty solar systems with occasional minor races, ruins, or monsters. Nothing to say "woah, that is cool." This is actually something it shares with the older MOOs, but back then we were not used to the more living star systems of the games we have now.
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Stellaris science projects are very cool, and there are a lot of them, but after 10's or 100's of hours, they are just as interesting as if they didn't exist at all. Well, except for any bonuses or penalties they apply. They're just another numbers delivery system. A very cool one, for sure, but eventually they just get added to the math of the rest of the game.
It doesn't help that the projects seem to get less interesting and more generic and less "math" (i.e. credits or science points that are a drop in the bucket compared to where your empire is at that stage of the game) as the game goes on.
Sure I could buy DLC to give me more and new stuff, and it's great to have that option. My point is only that eventually the super cool stuff in Stellaris becomes just numbers like a less colourful game like Moo. Or Stars! for that matter.
It doesn't help that the projects seem to get less interesting and more generic and less "math" (i.e. credits or science points that are a drop in the bucket compared to where your empire is at that stage of the game) as the game goes on.
Sure I could buy DLC to give me more and new stuff, and it's great to have that option. My point is only that eventually the super cool stuff in Stellaris becomes just numbers like a less colourful game like Moo. Or Stars! for that matter.
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Yeah, I was going to say something about the graphics being polarizing. I like the art style and find it an interesting diversion, but I can understand why others wouldn't.Grifman wrote: Heh, those graphics just turn me off
I had some Blue Coins burning a hole in my pocket, so I grabbed the new MOO Race Pack. Our niece has been visiting for the last couple of days, so gaming time has been limited, but she leaves tomorrow so I'll probably be able to get some time in with it then.
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