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Re: Field of Glory II - Turn Based Tactical Roman Era Combat

Post by jztemple2 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:20 pm

Announcement from Wargamer.com regarding the upcoming second DLC Legions Triumphant (Matrix Games link) and the associated free patch:
Matrix Games have revealed the next DLC for their excellent turn-based ancients wargame, Field of Glory II.

Legions Triumphant follows the development of the Roman Imperial Army, covering campaigns like the final conquests of Britain, Germany and Dacia, as well as the disintegration of the later Western Empire.

Like Immortal Fire before it, it will bring a modest range of news features and units, including:
  • 10 new factions in the form of: Alans, Anglo-Saxons, Caledonians, Goths, Hephthalites, Huns, Palmyrans, Picts, Romano-British and Sassanid Persians.
  • 17 new units and 22 new army lists.
  • Four historically-based campaigns.
  • Expanded Sandbox Campaign & Custom Battles
There will also be a free patch that will accompany the DLC, which will include the following improvements:
  • Ability to fight on after a lost battle.
  • Maximum number of battles in sandbox campaigns increased, with more decision points and new possible decisions and events.
  • Additional enemies in sandbox campaigns. You will need to fend off attacks by other enemies as well as advancing the campaign against your primary opponent.
  • Units not only increase in quality following victories, but will upgrade to higher quality unit types when they reach the required quality. (e.g. Raw Pikemen > Pikemen > Veteran Pikemen).
  • Anachronistic what if campaigns – by turning off the date and geographical filters you can set up sandbox campaigns between any two nations covered by the game from 550 BC to 476 AD. Additional enemies in the campaign will fit the date of the main enemy – so that it will be as if your army had been transported in time to a new era.
  • Improved AI.
  • Evaders may suffer casualties even if they escape their pursuers.
  • Chargers will now follow normal pursuit rules if their opponents break on contact. i.e. Infantry (apart from warbands and raw troops) will not pursue.
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Post by Grifman » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:42 pm

The next update will include achievements! :)
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Post by Holman » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:35 pm

I finally went in for this one, and I'm really enjoying it. Now I'm obsessed with ancient combat.
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Re: Field of Glory II - Turn Based Tactical Roman Era Combat

Post by jztemple2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:47 pm

New DLC released, Field of Glory II: Age of Belisarius. There's also a sale on the base game and on the other DLCs. And there's a review of the new DLC from The Wargamer.
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Post by jztemple2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:41 pm

New update patch notes for version 1.3.9

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Field of Glory II Version 1.3.9 Patchnotes

Postby Daniele » 07 Jun 2018 07:09
Hi Everybody!

Field of Glory II has been updated to version 1.3.9!

This new version brings a lot of improvements and changes, including STEAM achievements!

You can download the update from here (Members Area) or from here (Public FTP)

Version 1.3.9 Patchnotes
• Some optimisations to improve performance on slower systems.

• STEAM:
o 20 STEAM achievements have been added. (STEAM version only).

• Gameplay:
o Some mounted unit types can be dismounted as equivalent infantry units at Deployment. This is confined to nations that often dismounted their cavalry, and currently only applies to units in the Age of Belisarius DLC.
o Massed bowmen without any close combat capabilities now get a negative shooting POA modifier if there are any unbroken enemy non-light troops with close combat capabilities within 2 squares and not facing away from them. This is primarily a nerf because armies with large numbers of these units were found to be overpowered. It is rationalised by them being nervous when enemy combat troops approach closely, as they are too densely formed to evade – this concept is supported by some studies of more modern warfare. (Note: The AI takes this into account and avoids moving non-combat bowmen close to unbroken enemy combat troops, unless these are facing away or it wants to charge something).
o Additional -1 modifier in cohesion tests for losing close combat for foot lacking any close combat (impact or melee) capabilities. This will make “massed bowmen”, artillery, peasant levies, light archers and slingers quicker to rout in close combat. It applies on top of any “Any one of…” modifier.
o Armoured cavalry gain additional 12% casualty mitigation against shooting by bows, slings and javelins compared to Protected. (Unprotected cavalry get 0% mitigation, Protected cavalry get 16%, Armoured get 28%, Cataphracts get 49%).
o Maximum melee POA for armour advantage increased to + 100 vs foot. (It remains +50 vs mounted). This currently only affects cataphracts.
o Deep units of Offensive Spearmen (with a base unit size of 12 figures or more) can now form square.
o The permitted (re-)deployment areas for non-light troops in Random Map battles now depend entirely on the width of the map (and the presence of flank rivers or coasts if any), and will not vary depending on the size of each army or whether Autodeploy has been used. Light troops can deploy right out to the map edge. Note that Autodeploy may sometimes deploy non-light units beyond the standard deployment zone. Such units can be redeployed, but only into the standard deployment zone.
o Chariots can now cross Deep Streams slowly.
o Tightened up application of rule that units cannot charge targets that were not within 45 degrees of straight ahead at the start of the turn. Previously it was sometimes possible to charge units slightly out of the 45 degree arc by making a 45 degree (free) turn first.
o G hotkey now toggles map grid.

• Units:
o Indian cavalry upgraded to Average, Protected, Light Spear, Swordsmen at 32 points. (At 20 points, despite their previous low quality and absence of melee capability, they were by far the most cost-effective flankers in the game.)
o Elephants points cost increased to 60.
o Points cost of the following extra-deep units adjusted: Average Warbands reduced from 63 to 58 points, Superior Warbands reduced from 81 to 75 points, Pictish Spearmen reduced from 58 to 54 points.
o Triarii now reported as ”Highly Superior” rather than “Elite”. Note that this is just a UI change, not a nerf. Their numerical quality rating is the same as before.
o Limitanei will now be promoted to Pseudocomitatenses in campaigns when they have acquired sufficient experience in the field army.

• Army Lists:
o Improvised Camelry removed from Achaemenid Persian 550-546 BC army list, and Achaemenid Persian 547 BC (Thymbra) list added.
o Added some armoured noble lancers to all three Western Hunnic lists, representing lance-armed noble Huns.

• AI:
o AI: Infantry less likely to get “stuck” behind friends in close proximity to enemy.
o Shooty non-light cavalry, camelry and light chariots are now more likely to evade than previously if the combat chances are fairly close to even but they have a significant shooting advantage against the chargers. In practice this means that they are more likely to evade from non-shooty cavalry or infantry in marginal cases than before. (Note that this only potentially alters the decision to evade when the combat odds are fairly close to even. Also they still won’t evade if cavalry chargers start their move in the adjacent square, because of the high danger of being caught.)

• Multiplayer:
o It is no longer possible to get a re-rolled map by “force-quitting” the program on the first turn of an MP random map game. Such behaviour was already being tracked by the PBEM system with the ultimate sanction of banning, but now it is simply not possible.
o Concession disabled during MP replay as it could sometimes cause issues.

• Manual:
o Manual correction: Melee POA chart. Heavy and Scythed chariots both have +100 POA vs any troops except elephants, light foot, light horse or steady foot who are pike, offensive spearmen or defending an obstacle.
o Manual correction: Irrigation ditches give +25 POA in Impact and Melee combat to foot defenders if the unit is not missile troops vs mounted and so does not qualify for +100 POA for “Protection”.
o Manual addition: Shooting POA chart: Massed non-combat bowmen with unbroken enemy combat troops within 2 squares of them and not facing away from them get -70 POA shooting modifier.
o See also other gameplay changes above.

• Modders:
o Maximum SideID increased to 8191.

• Bug Fixes:
o Editor UI can now cope with gaps in the list of SideID names.
o Fixed bug that could sometimes result in newly promoted custom-named campaign units being assigned to unpurchased units on the battlefield during battle setup, their place among the pre-purchased units being taken by an almost identical un-named unit. This caused the name to be lost if the unit was not repurchased during force selection.
o Fixed bug that could allow player too many troops in campaign “own reinforcements” scenario. (This would show as negative points in the force selection window).
o Fixed bug that could alter the map size in the MP custom battles setup screen if you lingered too long while setting up an MP skirmish.
o Fixed bug that could give light foot an Undo button if they evaded through friends in their own turn as a result of an enemy pursuit charge.
o Fixed bug that showed wrong banner colours for reversed epic battle scenarios with Romans or Spartans as Side0.
o Fixed issue with banner and texture allocation in Empire of the Huns and King of Kings campaigns.
o Fixed error in Thracian army list end date in army list file.
o Fixed general allocation bug in 3rd battle of Third Century Crisis campaign.
o Improved trajectory of horse archer arrows.
o Fixed bug in Roman Lancers’ death animations.
o Fixed some other minor animation bugs.
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Re: Field of Glory II - Turn Based Tactical Roman Era Combat

Post by jztemple2 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:20 pm

Although this isn't strictly a FoGII post, it is related in a very good way. Wargamer.com recently posted this article, Fields of Glory: Empires Announced by Sitherine/Matrix Games.

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Slitherine have been teasing a new game announcement all weekend, and we finally know what it is – Field of Glory: Empires. This is a grand-strategy game set during the early days of the Roman Republic, from about 310 BC to 190 AD.

It’s being developed by AGEOD on Slitherine’s new Archon engine, which is great because I swear to god if we had to suffer through one more game on that AGEOD engine… what? Oh right – Empires. It seems less focused on the military side of things as past AGEOD games and could easily represent a cross between the recently announced Imperator: Rome grand-strategy game from Paradox, and Creative Assembly’s own Total War: Rome 2.

Indeed, one of the selling points seems to be a deeper involvement in the battles that take place during a game – an early screenshot shows a rudimentary and separate tactical sub-game which pulls assets from Field of Glory 2. On top of that, you can apparently export battle data from Empires directly into FOG2 to fight the chosen battle out in full!
"...with over 450 custom units and more than one thousand rulers and generals, every battle won’t be the same. Army composition and understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of each army is key and decisive elements to win.

Battles have an unparalleled level of detail. When the time comes to lay down the plow and draw the sword, players lead their armies as true generals on the battlefield. Field of Glory: Empires lets export and load each battles into award-winning tactical wargame Field of Glory II and fight the battle in even greater detail."
The campaign map features of 1,000 regions, stretching from Scotland to the north, to the Indus Valley in the south-east. The map seems to show only major players only, with plenty of ‘minor’, possibly even empty? Provinces separating the bigger nations from each other.

Grand strategy at this level is kind of new territory for AGEOD and Slitherine, although you could easily argue some past AGEOD games like Pride of Nations are grand-strategy war games similar to Hearts of Iron. Still, there is a greater emphasis on politics, culture and development, bringing it inline with the current mainstream norms in this genre. We'll bring you more information on this game as it comes out.

Field of Glory: Empires is due out on PC in 2019.
And this is worth repeating, "Field of Glory: Empires lets [you] export and load each battles into award-winning tactical wargame Field of Glory II and fight the battle in even greater detail." That's very cool, at least to me.

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Re: Field of Glory II - Turn Based Tactical Roman Era Combat

Post by jztemple2 » Fri May 10, 2019 4:48 pm

A new FoGII expansion has been announced, Field of Glory II: Wolves at the Gate
This expansion extends Field of Glory II forward to 1040 AD, exploring the rich military history of the so-called “Dark Ages”, from the whirlwind Arab Conquest to the depredations of the Vikings and Magyars, the birth of England, France, Germany and Spain, and the long struggle of the Byzantine Empire to keep Roman civilisation alive in the east.

From 600 to 628 AD the Byzantines were locked in a titanic struggle for survival against the aggressive Sassanid Persian Empire, from which they eventually emerged victorious. Both empires, however, were severely weakened. Six years later, in 634, the newly Islamized Arabs erupted forth from Arabia, quickly defeating the Byzantines and Persians. By 750, under the Umayyad Caliphate, the Muslim Arab Empire stretched from Spain to the borders of India.

The Byzantine Empire, after losing its Levantine and North African provinces, survived the initial Islamic advance. Constantinople endured a year long siege (717-718), and this proved to be the beginning of the end for the Umayyad Caliphate. Eventually, weakened by defeats on the frontiers of their vast empire and internal unrest, the Umayyads were overthrown by the Abbasid dynasty. The great Islamic Empire was now split into many separate, and often competing states. The Byzantines grew stronger under the Macedonian Dynasty (867-1056), and ended the period more powerful than they had been for many centuries.

In Northern Europe, Viking raids started in the late 8th century. Superb sailors, they used their longboats to strike across the Baltic and North Seas against towns, farms and monasteries, and raid as far as Seville and Constantinople. Eventually they settled down, and created important states in Normandy and the Kievan Rus. Their invasions of the British Isles resulted in centuries of intermittent warfare with the English, Irish and Scottish kingdoms.

Charlemagne ruled as King of the Franks from 768-814 AD. The kingdom he inherited already included most of modern France and parts of Germany. By his death in 814, his empire encompassed modern France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, northern Italy and a strip of northern Spain. In 800 he was crowned “Emperor of the Romans” by Pope Leo III. After his death the Carolingian Empire split into two main states, West Francia (modern France) and East Francia (modern Germany).

In the 9th century the nomadic Magyars erupted into European history. Their western raids reached as far as Spain. Their defeat by the Germans at Lechfeld in 955 ended their threat to Western Europe and in 1000 their High Prince accepted Christianity and was recognised as King of Hungary by Pope Sylvester II, ruling under his Christian name of István (Stephen) I.

Summary of features:

19 new factions
55 new units
76 new army lists
6 new Epic Battles
74 new Quick Battles
Expanded Custom Battles module.
Expanded Sandbox Campaign module.
6 new historically-based campaigns.
New Allies feature added in accompanying game update.
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Post by dbt1949 » Sat May 11, 2019 11:59 pm

I want to like this game but I am so lousy at it.
I know the game mechanics okay but my tactics suck, even tho I have read tons about ancient warfare.
My last game I pass his flanks with my heavy cav and charge him from behind. He is already engaged with my infantry on his front. What happens? My cav gets broken and he looses a dozen men but otherwise it doesn't bother him.
This kind of thing happens all the time. <sigh>
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Post by jztemple2 » Mon May 20, 2019 5:28 pm

Besides the new Wolves at the Gates DLC, there is also going to be a free update 1.5.12 which adds among other things, a new feature called Allies. This article, Field of Glory 2 - New "Allies" Feature Explained, well it explains it :roll:
By popular demand, Update 1.5.12 adds a major new feature to the game – Allies.

It is now possible to choose to have allies from a different army list in SP and MP custom battle armies. The main army list provides the majority of the troops available for selection, the allies provide a smaller proportion.

The permitted allies for each list are based on known historical alliances. Hence some army lists can have as many as 12 possible allies, others may have none. Altogether, well over 400 allies are currently specified, which, together with the 281 single nation army lists, makes a total of more than 700 pure or mixed army lists in the game. This in turn means that, including “what if” games, the number of possible matchups is now over 500,000! And that is before unit selection.
The article goes on with an example which I'll let you see for yourselves, but here is the first screenshot.

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Post by Sepiche » Mon May 20, 2019 5:32 pm

That reminds me, have they mentioned any details about how this is going to integrate with FoG:Empires?

Like, if I want to use FoGII to play battles in Empire will I need to have all the DLC? Because in that case Empire probably gets moved back to "when it's on sale" status.

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Post by jztemple2 » Mon May 20, 2019 5:49 pm

Sepiche wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 5:32 pm
That reminds me, have they mentioned any details about how this is going to integrate with FoG:Empires?

Like, if I want to use FoGII to play battles in Empire will I need to have all the DLC? Because in that case Empire probably gets moved back to "when it's on sale" status.
I've seen it mentioned a couple of times that you only need the base version of FoG II, no DLC needed. I'll try to find the actual wording somewhere. I have not seen it explained in detail how it is going to be done. Honestly I'm probably only getting Empires because I can play out the battles in FoGII :D
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Post by Sepiche » Mon May 20, 2019 5:55 pm

jztemple2 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 5:49 pm
I've seen it mentioned a couple of times that you only need the base version of FoG II, no DLC needed. I'll try to find the actual wording somewhere. I have not seen it explained in detail how it is going to be done. Honestly I'm probably only getting Empires because I can play out the battles in FoGII :D
Thanks, I really hope that's the case as I'm looking forward to this too, but just not enough to shell out for all the DLC they've been releasing. :P

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Post by jztemple2 » Mon May 20, 2019 5:58 pm

Hey, I found the mother lode of how FoG:E battles will be fought in FoG:II, Dev Diary #9 Addendum - Playing Empires Battles in FOG2
Playing Empires Battles in Fog2
by Richard Bodley Scott

From an early stage in development it was planned that, in addition to the in-game battle resolution system, Empires would also have the option to fight out battles in FOG2 if the player so chooses.
The main objectives were:

1) That Empires battles fought out in FOG2 should be varied and fun. (Number one priority!)
2) That the armies of each nation should be represented by the correct FOG2 units for their nation.
3) That general skill and traits, unit experience, unit effectiveness, hit points etc. from Empires should carry over into the FOG2 battles.
4) That terrain should be representative of the terrain in the region where the battle takes place.
5) That there should be no adjustments to make the battles more “even”, and no adjustments to take into account the FOG2 difficulty setting. The situation should be as per the campaign situation.
6) That the export/import process and switching between the games should be as automated a process as possible.

How does the game decide which FOG2 unit type to convert an Empires unit to?
Empires has a database specifying which FOG2 unit type each Empires unit type maps to, with a quality adjustment for some. The mapping is different depending on the national archetype. This information is passed in the export file, along with various other factors affecting the conversion.
The Empires system potentially gives "Heavy Foot, Warriors, Mercenary Foot, Urban Militia etc." to every nation. The FOG2 conversion system attempts to convert each nation's forces to FOG2 units that are appropriate to their historical prototype. So for example "Warriors" in a Gallic Army will translate to FOG2 Warbands, but those in an Italian army will translate to FOG2 Italian Foot. This means that Empires "Heavy Foot", for example, may translate to FOG2 Medium Foot for some nations, if the nation never actually had any troops that FOG2 would rate as Heavy Foot.
Also some units translate to a mixture of FOG2 units, because this leads to more historically realistic armies. Pre-Marian Roman legionary units translate to a mixture of hastati/principes and triarii units, in approximately a 2:1 ratio. Horse archer units, if present in large numbers, translate to a mixture of Light Horse and Cavalry.

How does the game decide how many FOG2 units each Empires unit maps to?
The Empires : FOG2 unit conversion ratio depends on the unit type, because it is points based. This is because the difference in effectiveness between various Empires units is often significantly greater than the difference between the effectiveness of their FOG2 equivalents. To get the same relative effectiveness as in Empires-resolved battles, the more expensive (and more effective) Empires units translate to more FOG2 units than the cheaper ones. Some of the cheaper Empires units may only map to 1 FOG2 unit, but some of the more expensive ones could potentially map to as many as 4 or 5 (cheap) FOG2 units in armies of nations that historically did not possess powerful units like Pike phalanxes or legions. Most units will have a conversion ratio somewhere between these two extremes.

For example, because Italian Foot in FOG2 are cheaper (and less effective) than Warbands, the unit conversion ratio for Empires Warriors > FOG2 Italian Foot will be higher than the unit conversion rate for Empires Warriors > FOG2 Warbands. Also, where different Empires unit types convert to the same FOG2 unit type, the quality of the FOG2 units may be adjusted depending on which Empires unit type they come from. (Thus, for example, Urban Militia in some national archetypes may be extremely low quality versions of the standard units. They will also have a lower unit conversion ratio as they are much lower rated in Empires points).
Because the points value ratios do not match up to an exact number of FOG2 units, there is a random element. For example, if the points system means that an Empires unit is equivalent to 1.37 FOG2 units, the system will generate at least one FOG2 unit, with a 37% chance of another one. So usually it will generate 1 unit, but 37% of the time it will generate 2.
A damping system on the chances of selecting subsequent "partial" units is used to ensure that the overall strength of the army does not vary excessively (about 3% in tests), and a unique random number generator seed number for each exported battle ensures that if you play the same battle (from the same export file) in FOG2 multiple times, the OOBs (and map) will be the same each time. (Unless you go back to the pre-battle Empires save and re-export it, in which case there will be a different seed number each time).

How does the conversion take into account Empires general skill and traits, unit experience, effectiveness and hit points etc.?
Unit Experience and Effectiveness affect FOG2 unit Experience and Elan respectively. FOG2 unit Quality is the average of those ratings.
Empires Hit Points represent current strength compared with full paper strength, so affects the unit conversion ratio.
Generals use their Empires skill rating for attack or defence depending on which side counts as attacking in Empires. General traits applicable in the regional terrain add their modifiers to those skill ratings. If there is an overall difference between the skill ratings of the opposing generals, then usually an adjustment is made to the quality of the opposing units, representing the effects on morale, physical condition and state of preparedness of the troops resulting from the better general's more skilful pre-battle manoeuvres. Sometimes, instead of a quality adjustment, the lower skilled general will have some of his troops arrive late at the battle.
Unit traits are not explicitly taken into account in the conversion process, because FOG2 already takes into account the different effectiveness of different troop types in different terrain.

Frontage
Empires units convert to an average of 2 to 3 FOG2 units, some more, some less.
We decided not to artificially constrain the frontage in FOG2 battles because it would severely restrict the tactical options – which would rather defeat the point of playing the battle in FOG2. We did not think it would be fun.
Also, as FOG2 battles take some time to play out, we wanted a decisive result, so wanted all of the troops present to be able to take part.

Therefore, the normal FOG2 map generation is used, based on the prevailing terrain in the Empires province. Hence a mountainous, forest or swamp province will result in a mountainous, forested or marshy map, which may result in choke points, but isn’t guaranteed to do so.
This does mean that playing Empires with FOG2 battles will have strategic implications, meaning that the game will play out somewhat differently depending on whether you play all the battles in Empires or not. Personally, I resolve very one-sided battles in Empires and play the rest in FOG2.
Siege assaults are left to the Empires system and cannot be exported to FOG2
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