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Slay the Spire

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Eel Snave
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Re: Slay the Spire

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Dude, I've never beaten an Ascension and I have 50+ hours in the game. I've read guides and I still can't reliably win with most characters. I keep my decks between 10-15 cards so I know what I'm getting, I don't get a card unless I plan on upgrading it, I ditch the basic strikes in favor of stronger ones, and I just CAN'T DO IT.

I wish I could have someone watch me play and tell me what I'm doing wrong.
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Re: Slay the Spire

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Well, I'm sure it would take months of playing to get to where Zax is but I was OK the last time I played. I think around level 10 in each class or just shy of... I think...

I totally play the try and keep a deck small and with purpose game but I do not limit myself.

Each character has gimmick or two or three. My style is to roll with punches on the gimmick you are offered. Stay flexible until you are entrenched in that gimmick and then only take cards that support it.

I *do* ditch cards at every opportunity.

Maybe if you post how a run ends something can be seen for how you got there.

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I think I'll do that next time I have a run that goes down in flames. I've got to be doing something wrong.
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Eel Snave wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:58 am
I think I'll do that next time I have a run that goes down in flames. I've got to be doing something wrong.
It'll definitely help us give more concrete advice.

In general I agree with LM--you can't really pick a strategy at the outset with this game. Have to roll with the punches and then capitalize on whatever powerful relics or cards you come up with early on. I agree with trimming the deck as you go, although I do this less than I used to (only usually pull 1-3 cards out at shops)--the money is too useful to waste on a slight trim when it could instead get me another relic. I also like running into the 'upgrade all strikes/defends' event, and that's really demoralizing if you get it when you only have a few left.

My overall path is usually to try to maximize rest sites (and maximize upgrades within those sites), and then raise or lower my elite count as I go based on how I'm doing.

At these Ascension levels, I still lose at least 80% of the time.

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Zaxxon wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:07 am
I agree with trimming the deck as you go, although I do this less than I used to (only usually pull 1-3 cards out at shops)--the money is too useful to waste on a slight trim when it could instead get me another relic.
My memory is fuzzy but 2-3 shop pulls sounds about right, if only because I choose paths that rarely hit shops so I can maximize my trips but I also pull cards as a beginning bonus and at every ? event possible.
I also like running into the 'upgrade all strikes/defends' event, and that's really demoralizing if you get it when you only have a few left.
If that hits I always take it and that will end the pulling cards path. I'll also play roulette and transform basic strikes and blocks. I'll also often turn basic Strikes to bites at the cost of life.

Choosing a good path at the beginning I think is key, even on early runs.

I tend toward this order:

Most Rest Sites
Most Events
Most or least elites depending on my confidence level. Depending on that confidence this could supersede most events.
Predicted timely use of shops.

This pattern then influences my boss relics (and others) and vice versa. So I tend to pick relics that give me more hit points or make rest sites more useful. I tend to avoid relics that gimp rest site usefulness. (I actually think long and hard before I choose relics that gimp me at all. The confusion relic? Fuck that noise.)

Be it good or to my short sighted detriment, I also have an affinity for 0 energy cards and aversion to any 3 or 4+ cards that aren't exactly what I want powers. X cards need to be accounted for before they get in a deck.

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Aaaaaand last night I beat my first ascension. I think my mistake has been not targeting relics and trying to rely just on my deck. That's no good.
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Eel Snave wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:16 am
Aaaaaand last night I beat my first ascension. I think my mistake has been not targeting relics and trying to rely just on my deck. That's no good.
Congrats! Yes, relics are key (either from elites or ? locations). As are colorless cards and powers.

To pick just one combo that works well--for The Defect, getting Electrodynamics and Static Discharge powers along with the Orb Inserter relic is killer. Arrange to get very slightly damaged each turn and In any battle that lasts more than a few turns, you'll end up with half a dozen or more Lightning orbs that damage all enemies simultaneously.

It's not always possible to arrange a combo like that, but knowing all of the available relics, powers, and colorless cards allows you to quickly devise a strategy based on the first few that you receive.

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Zaxxon wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:34 am
It's not always possible to arrange a combo like that, but knowing all of the available relics, powers, and colorless cards allows you to quickly devise a strategy based on the first few that you receive.
That's why flexibility is important... And why I probably overvalue (useful) powers.

Keep bumping this thread and you'll make me come back to play and getting my butt kicked at whatever ascension level I'm at.

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LordMortis wrote:
Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:45 am
Keep bumping this thread and you'll make me come back to play and getting my butt kicked at whatever ascension level I'm at.
The game's still awesome. I wonder whether they have any plans for a 5th character. I'd pay much more than I should.

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This was fun... or boring... not sure which...

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I hit 5 just lucky's in scrye deck I was trying to build along with three third eyes (which eventually pared down to two, and would have taken to 0 if I could have) but then I just got lucky, Foresight I think, which turned scrye in to addtional block, then I just got lucky and got the top which states if you have no cards draw a card, then I just got lucky with talk to the hand.

Originally I was going for scryes to get me to the Pressure points faster but by the middle of third act every Just lucky would would hit 3 or 4, block for 9 and scrye for 1 or 2 where in it would likley hit Just Lukcy, Insight, or meditate.

Zaxxon, you ruined my weekend but now all my guys are at ascension 10, aka curse level.

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Glad to help.

Nice deck, too.

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Trying to get to 11 with the Watcher once or twice a night. It's just not happening.

Edit, I guess it took this post. Yeah me! Did with no powers, Alpha, Beta, Omega and the Rat as the final battle. Lucky me!

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I breezed through the first three and then got to the Watcher, trying to get to 12. I have either made dumb plays or just had crazy bad pulls so many time. I have had a lot of fun until I couldn't come up the prize. I had 20 card deck with Alpha, Beta, Omega, where 7 of those cards were the exhaust for one round of intangible screw me by bulling none of them the first two rounds against the dagger naga chick, whom I think is the most dangerous fight in the game. She came up in a ? room.

Edit: Didn't work last night. Still no win. I've been experimenting with decks heavy in retain, which also favor favor heave stance switching. This does a pretty good job of mitigating bad luck but I find that a deck as to be gathered and that means taking early hits in most battles, hunting camps to rest a lot, and never upgrading cards. A had a good thing going with a relic that healed from every potion... then I hit dagger naga chick... Defense heavy doesn't seem to every help either.

I find the Watcher to be pretty easy on the first run compared to the other heroes and then just not having to gogo juice on runs 2 and 3 so I'm debating changing my stance to hunt first run elites to roll with the punches on character building.

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Unlocked level 17 with the Defect today. That's my 2nd character to 17; have not gotten higher than that with any yet.

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I'm raising them all equally. Until I unlock Watcher 12. I go no further.

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Victory is mine!!!! On to level 12!!!

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Awesome.

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