There have been way too many conspiracy theories from angry gamers about Epic. Epic hired him after he created SteamSpy, and nobody was secretive about it. The whole 'scraping steam data' bit has, from what I've seen, been exaggerated. They create a local copy of one Steam file, then use it to import your friends list from Steam if you specifically give them permission to. It might not be the smartest way to go about it (since it does put them in the crosshairs), but there's no indication they did anything more than that. As far as the PUBG bit, we're in a hobby run by corporations. They do backhanded stuff all the time. Valve does. Epic does. Ubi and EA thrive on it. We're not going to find a 'boy scout' corporation to take loving care of our libraries. If we only want to play with the good guys, we need to find a different hobby.ColdSteel wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:21 amMy problem with using the Epic store is one of trust. I don't trust them at all. I saw over at Qt3 that they've engaged in the following:
Maybe none of that was directly illegal but it's sleazy as hell and makes me not trust them enough to use their store.- The “SteamSpy” app was actually an Epic employee that was gathering data for the Epic Store.
- They had a client in PUBG for years, then launched a directly competing product targeted at the same users. This prompted a lawsuit, which was later dropped.
- They were caught scraping the users’ Steam data.
The exclusives keep getting compared to console exclusives, but while the motivation is the same (to force customers onto a platform) the impact is completely different. I own a PS4. When there is an XBox timed exclusive, I can't play it. That's shitty. Here, though, we've got PC exclusives being made exclusive to PC. We can, if we choose, play each and every one of them. Besides, Steam doesn't do that. Except Steam was famous for doing that. For years nearly every PC game out there was a Steam exclusive. People ranted about how they'd go to the store and by a physical disc and still have to come home and install it through Steam. I remember Fallout 3 being targeted particularly for that, as well as whichever game it was that first came with a DVD case and a cardboard 'disc' with nothing but a code on it. People hated that they were being manipulated and forced to use Steam to play their games. I don't know. Maybe I've just played enough console games that I'm not phased by the idea of exclusives to manipulate customers. It's standard for every aspect of the industry other than ours now. Especially when I get to play Game X regardless of who has the exclusive
I don't love Epic. I don't love Valve. I don't even love GoG. I don't trust any of them. (Although GoG is arguably better than the others, they're also the most at risk for playing nice, having just laid off a bunch of staff a few weeks ago after reports that they're in financial trouble. GoG may be the most friendly, but they're also the most likely to vanish.) We're in a business full of bad guys, hoping none of them set their sites on us for a screwing-over. Given that, I'd prefer that they spend their efforts fighting over us than lording over us. In fact, Steam just announced a bunch of changes a day or two ago that were pretty clearly inspired by the competition with Epic. That's what I want.
Again, I don't love Epic. I've never spent a penny on Epic. I won't until they have something I really want that I can't get anywhere else. I just dislike overreactions, and overreactions are all I've seen.