Super Bowl LII

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:51 am

stessier wrote:People really have to learn to redact documents better.

On the plus side, we get a better insight into how the NFL (mis)uses pain meds.

Better keep suspending players for self medicating with the ganga. #FreakingNFL

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 12:01 pm

Exactly.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:54 pm

LordMortis wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
LordMortis wrote:So if you're Kirk Cousins what do you do? Do you have a way to just say "Fuck it. Thanks for the $22 million, now I'm going to sit my ass down, fuckers." It was kinda bullshit last year. It's looking like extreme bullshit this year.
Pretty lucrative bullshit, though.
Unless you consider he could literally be signing somewhere for 150 million over six years and have teams lining up for the privilege and once he becomes a their "franchise quarterback" he starts getting his endorsement monies.

Me? I'd take 22 million and find a a way to ride the bench as a fuck you to ownership but that's me.

Which would prevent you from ever doing the "franchise QB with endorsements" thing. Unless you wanted to endorse hemorrhoid creams.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:21 pm

I think stability, not money, is what makes a long term contract desirable to players. If Cousins signed a multi-year 150 million dollar contract, only a small portion of that would be guaranteed in his pocket this year. If he's tagged then he gets a large chunk of money guaranteed in his pocket this year. To me that makes the money part more or less a wash.

When a team commits to you though, now at least you can plan where you'll be living for more than the next season.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:07 pm

gameoverman wrote:
When a team commits to you though, now at least you can plan where you'll be living for more than the next season.

Osweiler thinks you're full of it.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Mar 10, 2017 11:07 pm

Patriots traded for Cooks, but didn't give up Butler.

Patriots reportedly traded their first-round pick (no. 32) and third-round pick (no. 103) in 2017 to the Saints for receiver Brandin Cooks and New Orleans’s fourth-round pick (no. 118).

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:21 am

Butler hasn't signed his tender, so he can't be traded yet.

Cooks signals the end of Amendola. That's kind of sad...I always thought he got short shrift. He didn't have the most catches, but he always seemed to be involved in big plays in the playoffs. I hope he does well at his next stop.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 7:14 am

stessier wrote:Holy cow -

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago
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Patriots are giving former Bills CB Stephon Gilmore a five-year, $65 million deal that includes $40 million guaranteed, per source.
Okay - that is nuts.

The numbers were finally obtained - it's 2 years with $32 million fully guaranteed. Year 3 has the base salary guaranteed for injury (which is how they got the $40 mil number), and then the final two years have no guaranteed money. $18 mil signing bonus and salaries of 4.5 mil and 8.5 mil the first 2 years...then the base goes up 1 mil a year until the end of the deal. If he plays like a #1, this could be great and totally affordable if the cap keeps increasing.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:26 pm

I hate getting too excited about the Lions, especially this time of year but I have to say that their working of the Free Agent market this season is encouraging. They went out and signed two O linemen considered the best available in by many. My biggest offseason bitch about the Lions is that they seem to grab the glory position players and ignore the trenches. It looks like that's not the story any longer. They have also picked up several depth they players as well but the O Line is clearly the big story here.
I am liking what Quinn is cooking here in Detroit. Its the first time in ages that I feel that we actually have a competent GM making the moves.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:26 pm

Day 6: Tony Romo Held Hostage

At the recent NFL Combine, Jones, in addressing the Romo matter with a group of writers, said the two "will work in the best way we can in the mutual interest for Tony and the Dallas Cowboys" and "when you've got a situation like we've got, we'll do the do-right rule."

It was implied that if released, Romo wouldn't come back to haunt his old team with another division team such as Washington, and the owner wouldn't trade his quarterback to a franchise for which he didn't care to play. The reports out of the Cowboys on Wednesday praised The Jer for electing to "do right" in letting Tony go so he and his eventual team -- the Broncos or the Texans -- quickly would settle a contract and make plans for moving ahead.
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On Thursday afternoon, when the official phase of free agency began, Jones called a reverse and, with a tightened face (aided by unnatural measures), said that he wasn't releasing Romo.

Rather than following his own do-right rule, Jones decided he could coerce the Texans and the Broncos into bidding-war trade, and to heck with Romo and his feelings.
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Jones was grinning like an Arkansas hog in slop, thinking he had two cubic rubes. Except that Elway has said privately that the Romo matter wouldn't be addressed unless he was a free agent -- so his contract could be reworked (lowered). Then, it became clear that the Texans wouldn't trade for Romo, either, choosing to wait until he is unrestrained.
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Apparently, Jones will keep Romo for a while, hoping Houston GM Rick Smith, a one-time media relations assistant for the Broncos (who I must have demanded get me a diet soda or stats), or Elway will flutter their eyelids. But I know Elway has a Tommy Petty hard-headedness ("I won't back down"), and I've been assured by Houston folks that the Texans are not "all hat, no cattle."

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:25 am

MMQB followed Schefter around for 24 hours at the start of Free Agency.

The article is better than the video, but his daughter is adorable in the video.

It's also concerning to see some of the advice he has to give. What the heck are these guys paying agents for????

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:00 pm

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 9047965696

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:05 pm

Why is Miami opposed?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:06 pm

Deadspin

Jerry Jones, the shadow commissioner and the most powerful person in the NFL when it comes to league-changing decisions like relocation, was again reported to be a prime driver of the Raiders to Vegas. Not for nothing, but that Vegas stadium will represent big revenues for Jones’s Legends Hospitality company.

https://twitter.com/timkawakami/status/ ... 8471947264

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:07 pm

El Guapo wrote:Why is Miami opposed?

CBS

It was almost a unanimous vote, but one owner cast his ballot against the move.

According to multiple reports, that owner was none other than Dolphins managing general partner Stephen Ross.

The reasons behind Ross’ decent from the rest of the NFL is not yet known, but in the big picture it seems of little consequence.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:41 pm

I’m so conflicted. I’ve been a Raiders fan my whole life, mainly because my parents lived in the Bay Area before I was born and my dad adopted the team. While I’m not all that passionate of an NFL fan any more, they’ve still been my team through thick and thin for 40+ years now.

Problem is, I hate Las Vegas. Every time I visit there, I feel like I just want to shower 50 times and leave. I can’t stand anything about it: the attitude, the glitz, the club scene, the casinos, all of it. Everything about Vegas is just…blech. You couldn’t pay me to spend any time there and I avoid it like the damn plague.

So I find myself in a weird spot. Do I stick with my team even though they’ve moved to a city I absolutely hate? Or do I become one of “those fans”, jump ship. and find a new team?

What to do...what to do...

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:47 pm

You should try spending time in Vegas that isn't on the Strip. At the end of the day, it's like a lot of other cities. The people that live there do the same things you do. Work, school, grocery shopping, etc. It's just that I could play video poker at the grocery store while the wife does the grocery shopping.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:02 pm

El Guapo wrote:Why is Miami opposed?

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago
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Why did #Dolphins dissent? Source: Stephen Ross believes it's not the best thing for fans & NFL. No animosity. But concern for all the moves

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet 1h1 hour ago
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More context on Stephen Ross' dissent: Ross spent $500M+ in private funds to renovate a stadium & keep #Dolphins in MIA for the next 30 yrs

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:08 pm

I've been to Vegas at least 20 times over the years, with about half of those staying with friends off the strip. Outside of the tourist areas, it's just a pretty boring town plunked in the middle of a godforsaken desert.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:11 pm

To each their own.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:12 pm

Skinypupy wrote:I've been to Vegas at least 20 times over the years, with about half of those staying with friends off the strip. Outside of the tourist areas, it's just a pretty boring town plunked in the middle of a godforsaken desert.

But it's got lots and lots of tourist stuff, because without it, it's just a town plunked in the middle of the godforsaken desert. I like that there is some new touristy thing nearly every week. Unlike, say the Atlantic City Board Walk, where you walk the board walk once and then if you're not gambling... nothing...

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:06 pm

With this move, CA's air quality just got cleaner!

Jeff V · Post by **Jeff V** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:30 am

Skinypupy wrote: So I find myself in a weird spot. Do I stick with my team even though they’ve moved to a city I absolutely hate? Or do I become one of “those fans”, jump ship. and find a new team?

What to do...what to do...

If my hometown team ever left my hometown, I'd consider it a traitorous act and forsake them for good. Then again, I probably have a dated concept of sports teams being a source of community pride. I love it when they elevate that status of the community through victory and hate it when they are an embarrassment, but regardless of how they perform they part of the community. I've never been able to become a fan of teams outside the community, and while I often watch with interest games that do not involve local teams, I do so entirely without the passion I'd have for a local team.

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:45 am

naednek wrote:With this move, CA's air quality just got cleaner!

True, but it leaves the Bay area without a football team.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:09 am

Jeff V wrote:
Skinypupy wrote: So I find myself in a weird spot. Do I stick with my team even though they’ve moved to a city I absolutely hate? Or do I become one of “those fans”, jump ship. and find a new team?

What to do...what to do...
If my hometown team ever left my hometown, I'd consider it a traitorous act and forsake them for good. Then again, I probably have a dated concept of sports teams being a source of community pride. I love it when they elevate that status of the community through victory and hate it when they are an embarrassment, but regardless of how they perform they part of the community. I've never been able to become a fan of teams outside the community, and while I often watch with interest games that do not involve local teams, I do so entirely without the passion I'd have for a local team.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that I would dump any of the Boston teams if they moved (outside of New England). DC is sort of my second city so I'd probably adopt the applicable DC team.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:35 am

Jeff V wrote:
Skinypupy wrote: So I find myself in a weird spot. Do I stick with my team even though they’ve moved to a city I absolutely hate? Or do I become one of “those fans”, jump ship. and find a new team?

What to do...what to do...
If my hometown team ever left my hometown, I'd consider it a traitorous act and forsake them for good. Then again, I probably have a dated concept of sports teams being a source of community pride. I love it when they elevate that status of the community through victory and hate it when they are an embarrassment, but regardless of how they perform they part of the community. I've never been able to become a fan of teams outside the community, and while I often watch with interest games that do not involve local teams, I do so entirely without the passion I'd have for a local team.

That's the tricky part...we don't have a local team here. The closest alternative would be Denver, but the anti-Bronco sentiment is too firmly embedded in my DNA at this point, so that's not really an option.

I may have to become an NFL vagabond, wandering the wilderness without a fan home.

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:37 am

I'd be out if a Chicago team left the area, but the only one that's really threatened to in my lifetime is the White Sox, and while I wouldn't like to see them go, I'm not a fan. I don't know if I'd feel any different about it if I left the Chicago area, though. If I'm living in Dallas and the Bears moved to Little Rock, I might actually be able to see them more.

(I'd like this to be the internet genesis of a Chicago Bears to Little Rock rumor.)

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:45 am

Skinypupy wrote:
Jeff V wrote:
Skinypupy wrote: So I find myself in a weird spot. Do I stick with my team even though they’ve moved to a city I absolutely hate? Or do I become one of “those fans”, jump ship. and find a new team?

What to do...what to do...
If my hometown team ever left my hometown, I'd consider it a traitorous act and forsake them for good. Then again, I probably have a dated concept of sports teams being a source of community pride. I love it when they elevate that status of the community through victory and hate it when they are an embarrassment, but regardless of how they perform they part of the community. I've never been able to become a fan of teams outside the community, and while I often watch with interest games that do not involve local teams, I do so entirely without the passion I'd have for a local team.
That's the tricky part...we don't have a local team here. The closest alternative would be Denver, but the anti-Bronco sentiment is too firmly embedded in my DNA at this point, so that's not really an option.

I may have to become an NFL vagabond, wandering the wilderness without a fan home.

In that situation I'd probably abandon the NFL (except for the Super Bowl and the like).

But hey, if you're looking for a new team...

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:48 am

rshetts2 wrote:
naednek wrote:With this move, CA's air quality just got cleaner!
True, but it leaves the Bay area without a football team.

Ouch. This might help that.Said the Lions fan

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:14 am

Skinypupy wrote:That's the tricky part...we don't have a local team here. The closest alternative would be Denver, but the anti-Bronco sentiment is too firmly embedded in my DNA at this point, so that's not really an option.

I may have to become an NFL vagabond, wandering the wilderness without a fan home.

If you don't live in Oakland, and you don't have direct ties to the Oakland community (maybe you do), then does it matter where they play?

As a translocated Bills fan, I would abandon the Bills in a heartbeat if they moved - but that's because my association with them is inherently tied to my heritage in that community.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:23 am

El Guapo wrote:In that situation I'd probably abandon the NFL (except for the Super Bowl and the like).

I'm kinda that way already, tbh. College football is much more my thing, since there's actually a local team to root for.

If you don't live in Oakland, and you don't have direct ties to the Oakland community (maybe you do), then does it matter where they play?

Because I have an intense (and completely irrational) dislike of Las Vegas. If the Raiders were moving to literally any other city in the country, it wouldn't even be an issue and I'd just cheer for them as usual. I just really don't like Vegas.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:25 am

At least you admit that you have a problem.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:26 am

Skinypupy wrote:Because I have an intense (and completely irrational) dislike of Las Vegas. If the Raiders were moving to literally any other city in the country, it wouldn't even be an issue and I'd just cheer for them as usual. I just really don't like Vegas.

Do you go to many Raiders home games now?

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:46 am

RunningMn9 wrote:
Skinypupy wrote:Because I have an intense (and completely irrational) dislike of Las Vegas. If the Raiders were moving to literally any other city in the country, it wouldn't even be an issue and I'd just cheer for them as usual. I just really don't like Vegas.
Do you go to many Raiders home games now?

I've only been to two NFL games in my entire life, neither of them Raiders games. That shit's too expensive, so I mainly just cheer from afar.

Isgrimnur wrote:At least you admit that you have a problem.

I think most of it stems from the rather intense Utah/UNLV basketball rivalry from the old WAC and Mountain West Conference days. Playing at Thomas & Mack was always a nightmare.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:51 am

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:57 pm

NFL bans Harry Belafonte:

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:15 pm

What is next, a no tackle rule?

Moliere · Post by **Moliere** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:17 pm

Rip wrote:What is next, a no tackle rule?

Tackling is the leading cause of injury.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:21 pm

rshetts2 wrote:
naednek wrote:With this move, CA's air quality just got cleaner!
True, but it leaves the Bay area without a football team.

Not really since the Bay Area includes Santa Clara, but nice try

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:30 pm

Rip wrote:What is next, a no tackle rule?

I thought the same thing and then I heard the league's reasoning. The coaches had determined the likely way to defend the play was to have the center fire straight up out of his stance in an attempt to touch the Leaper so it would be a penalty. They feared this was going to lead to head contact, Leapers landing on their own heads as the got upended, or Leaper falling straight on the back of the center/guard.

It stinks as it was a fun play, but it's not totally crazy to ban it.