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Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by Blackhawk » Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:15 am

I started a similar thread eight years ago. For Halloween, we usually do a thing at home with piles of candy and Halloween movies. The kids are much older now than when I asked in that last thread. Halloween is rolling around, and this year the kids (now 14 and 17) want to ratchet the films up a bit. The problem is that I don't know horror movies at all, so I thought I'd turn to OO. I'm looking for two or three that fit the criteria:

~Horror movies. I want scary, but not hide under the bed scary. More than Poltergeist, less than The Ring.
~Not shock slasher films that are just about the various ways to kill someone with a machete (because I find them dull) or gore films (Hellraiser, Saw)
~A theme that fits Halloween - monsters, hauntings, the dead, Halloweeny stuff.
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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by Daehawk » Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:13 am

Is Hellraiser 1 too much? If not then.....

Hellraiser
Nightbreed
Trick or Treat the 1986 one with Ozzy
Fright Night again the 1985 one
Twilight Zone the movie
Army of Darkness
Evil Dead 2

And I love The Frighteners.
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Post by msteelers » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:38 am

In before YellowKing wins the thread.

I'm bad with movies for teenagers. I was going to suggest Cabin in the Woods, but there's brief nudity and cursing in it. I'll just fall back to my old standby of Hocus Pocus.

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Post by Jeff V » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:23 am

We watched It the other day, my son liked that it was about a bunch of kids, but didn't think it was scary enough (to the point he fell asleep during the last 30 minutes). Almost every day he says he wants to watch a scary movie but like me, he tends to find them funny. Movies or shows about Halloween are different, I guess, to my kids it's more about celebrating the holiday. We watched a cartoon yesterday and the characters trick-or-treating was of greatest interest to them.

My son's idea of a scary movie means it should have monsters, and the monsters should show themselves early before he loses interest.

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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by GreenGoo » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:24 am

msteelers wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:38 am
In before YellowKing wins the thread.

I'm bad with movies for teenagers. I was going to suggest Cabin in the Woods, but there's brief nudity and cursing in it. I'll just fall back to my old standby of Hocus Pocus.
I watched Cabin in the Woods with my oldest, when he was..12(?) maybe? I wasn't so worried about the nudity or violence as I was about him not having a reference point for the commentary on horror movies in general, which is the main reason the movie exists. He was just not old enough and hadn't watched enough horror movies with a mature enough mind to really follow along and understand what was happening and why.

He still enjoyed it though, as to him it was just a movie about meta-horror. A horror movie that was self aware that it was a horror movie.

To be honest all my kids have seen movies and tv that is way beyond their years. I watch South Park with my daughter who is 11 now. She loves it and we watch it at her insistence. She's really good about understanding what's appropriate or what's beyond her years so she just ignores it. Unlike my boys, she's able to hear profanity and simply filter it out, which is kind of amazing. Some South Park I don't mind her watching. Some is so insanely inappropriate that I tell her that we just can't watch that particular episode. Amazingly, the Simpsons also have episodes that I am uncomfortable with her watching. I've always thought of the Simpsons as milder, mainstream/prime time adult animation, whereas Family Guy, American Dad, South Park, Rick and Morty are all "after dark" animation, but Simpsons has gotten a lot more risque on occasion that it was when it first started out, probably based on the success of the other animated shows.

I don't recommend that other parents let their kids watch what I let mine watch, but I will say that my youngest and oldest have handled stuff that is recommended for people far beyond their ages. My middle kid who just happens to be mildly autistic, swears like a motherf**ker at school when he's angry and I'm confident he's like that because of inappropriate youtube videos (he doesn't watch tv). We're working on it and we're making headway, which is a bit of a relief.

So 2 of my kids seem to be fine despite being exposed to material beyond their years, while one is exhibiting some negative side effects despite being less exposed. Oh well.

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Post by GreenGoo » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:32 am

Oh, my oldest and I also watched all of the Friday the 13ths, back to back for a week or so. I don't remember how old he was. He's only 14 now. I think it might have been last year, but it might have been when he was 12. He was playing Dead before Daylight and Friday the 13th of the computer and had shown some interest in the source material.

The earliest Friday the 13ths are incredibly tame by today's standards.

We also watched all the Alien, Predator and Alien vs. Predator movies when he was much younger. Like, 9 or 10. He had a Xenomorph action figure and an illustrated book on Xenomorphs when other kids were playing with transformers. That's all on him. I like those movies, but I don't have a special, particular like for them, so he didn't pick up his interest in them from me.

So far, he seems fine. No animal mutilations that I am aware of. He's certainly in love with our 4 cats at home. He's picked up his mother's gushyness. It's kind of gross how fawning he is with them to be honest. :D

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Post by hepcat » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:12 am

Number 1 should always be the 1963 version of Shirley Jackson's The Haunting. It should be studied by all horror directors as it almost perfectly nails a sense of pervading dread and moments of sheer terror via sound and camera angles only. It's amazing to watch Robert Wise (who also directed...wait for it...The Sound of Music) at work in this film. There's no blood, no cursing...and yet it's still one of the scariest movies you'll ever see.

I would follow that up with The Legend of Hell House written by the great Richard Matheson (both the source novel and the screenplay).

Follow that up with John Carpenter's The Thing and the original Halloween, maybe Trick r' Treat from 2007 (a love letter to Halloween from beginning to end), the original Psycho, and as a palate cleanser Cabin in the Woods (save that for last so everyone can understand just how much of this film is a hilarious parody).

I'll probably think of a dozen more by noon today. I love horror films. :wub:
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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by GreenGoo » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:30 am

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Number 1 should always be the 1963 version of Shirley Jackson's The Haunting. It should be studied by all horror directors as it almost perfectly nails a sense of pervading dread and moments of sheer terror via sound and camera angles only. It's amazing to watch Robert Wise (who also directed...wait for it...The Sound of Music) at work in this film. There's no blood, no cursing...and yet it's still one of the scariest movies you'll ever see.
There are definitely some violence that I find too graphic for my kids, and even more important, there are some reasons for the violence that I'm not willing to expose to my children yet. No sexual assault/rape, for example. Torture porn is right out too.

But to your comment above, there are definitely some movies that I think are too scary for my kids, even my oldest. A truly scary movie such as the one you mentioned are likely to give nightmares/have negative psychological effects that movies based around violence might not.

Action movies today are almost as violent as mainstream horror movies were in the 80's. Perhaps moreso. That doesn't mean that they are suddenly appropriate for kids, but it does mean the violence is set in a different, and perhaps less scary context, with potentially less negative impact.

A truly scary movie will scare an adult, and perhaps even give them nightmares (being stalked is a common nightmare). I wouldn't want to expose my kids to movies that are well made enough to mess up (even if it's just short term, in the moment) adults.

A truly scary movie is much harder to come by than the kind of popcorn horror that Friday the 13th or Halloween are.

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Post by Jeff V » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:00 pm

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A truly scary movie will scare an adult, and perhaps even give them nightmares (being stalked is a common nightmare).
Apparently I've never seen one that meets your definition.

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Post by hepcat » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:45 pm

Jeff, you're too much man for this forum. I imagine you're writing these replies while wrestling gators and swigging from a keg. You're incapable of fear, we get it. :lol:

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Post by Blackhawk » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:50 pm

msteelers wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:38 am
In before YellowKing wins the thread.

I'm bad with movies for teenagers. I was going to suggest Cabin in the Woods, but there's brief nudity and cursing in it. I'll just fall back to my old standby of Hocus Pocus.
I'm not terribly concerned about it being age appropriate. They know what an ass looks like. They know what sex is. If they happen to see an actor's ass pretending to have sex, it won't hurt them. The only thing I'm trying to avoid is extreme torture/gore (Hellraiser, Saw.)
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Post by YellowKing » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:16 pm

Trick R Treat (2007) is an absolute must. Krampus by the same director is a great horror Christmas film heading into the holidays.

Any of the James Wan universe movies are scary without the gore, but I'd place them on The RIng level so they may be a bit too intense.

Happy Death Day is good fun. Even though it has a slasher vibe, the premise twists it enough that it's not really a slasher film.

You may also want to look at the horror comedies to tone down the terror a bit. The aforementioned Shaun of the Dead is an excellent example, as is my personal favorite Tucker & Dale vs Evil.

An American Werewolf in London is a classic must-see and has enough comedy to take the edge off the terror.

It's a little tough to recommend stuff without knowing your kids limits, but I'll try to come up with some more.

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Post by Z-Corn » Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:57 pm

I'm looking forward to watching Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein this year, my wife has never seen it.

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Post by GreenGoo » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:20 pm

I'll second tucker and dale.

Oddly, I can't remember what the "evil" was. It's a meta horror movie in that it recognises and uses horror movie tropes in a self referential way sorta like cabin, but for the life of me, I can't even remember if there *is* an evil for them to be versus.

Obviously I can look it up to remind me, but I think I'll let it brew for a bit to see if it comes to me. I remember lots of good scenes, and that I quite liked it.

As for Blackhawk's requirements, there is a woodchipper in the movie. Not sure where that falls on his scale of gore. The scene isn't any more gruesome than the woodchipper scene from Fargo imo.

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Post by Blackhawk » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:24 pm

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It's a little tough to recommend stuff without knowing your kids limits, but I'll try to come up with some more.
Torture gore is out. Beyond that? I don't know their limits. I don't watch much horror, so neither have they. Unless you meant my limits on what they're allowed to see, in which case is that there are very few limits.
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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by GreenGoo » Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:32 pm

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Apparently I've never seen one that meets your definition.
There are lots of things that you won't let yourself experience that many of us enjoy.

Based on your lack of enthusiasm, I'm guessing you don't even bother watching so called scary movies, but even if you did, I'm certain you are unable to suspend your disbelief enough to enjoy them as they are intended to be enjoyed.

And that's perfectly fine. But that's your failing, not those of scary movies, and definitely not a failing of those of us who let ourselves be scared by them.

I also enjoy scary books on occasion.

I especially enjoy a good scary video game that isn't pure jump scares, but those are pretty rare.

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Post by Smoove_B » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:24 pm

It's the 50th Anniversary of Night of the Living Dead. I'd almost suggest it's mandatory and I think it fits within your requirements. I'm generally a terrible judge of what' s appropriate for 14 and 17 year olds though and my unofficial experience with movies or TV shows has been that my own spawn doesn't appreciate older ("Is this from the 1900s?) entertainment as much as I do. While there are exceptions ( Goonies is the only one I can think of), generally speaking anything else has been met with :roll:

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Post by GreenGoo » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:26 pm

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It's the 50th Anniversary of Night of the Living Dead. I'd almost suggest it's mandatory and I think it fits within your requirements. I'm generally a terrible judge of what' s appropriate for 14 and 17 year olds though and my unofficial experience with movies or TV shows has been that my own spawn doesn't appreciate older ("Is this from the 1900s?) entertainment as much as I do. While there are exceptions ( Goonies is the only one I can think of), generally speaking anything else has been met with :roll:
Oddly, 2 of my kids really enjoy older media, especially video games, but also movies and such.

However, one of the more crushing blows I've taken as a parent was when none of my kids liked The Goonies. That broke my heart.

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Post by Blackhawk » Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:42 pm

My kids quote Singing in the Rain. They're not afraid of older media.
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Post by Kraken » Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:30 pm

In that case, have they seen the classics? Dracula, Bride of Frankenstein, The Mummy...they are still great movies if one has the patience for the unhurried storytelling of yesteryear.

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Post by Z-Corn » Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:41 pm

I feel like I need to explain that I was completely sincere in recommending Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein. Complete classic. More than one classic monster in it. Lon Chaney Jr. Bela Lugosi. Abbot and Costello.


It has my vote.


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Post by ImLawBoy » Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:35 pm

Near Dark is a fantastic take on vampire movies. Set in the modern day (well, 1980s - the move was released in 1987), it's set in the American southwest and never actually uses the word "vampire". It's directed by Kathryn Bigelow (won the directing Oscar for The Hurt Locker), and starring Lance Henriksen and Bill Paxton, it's high quality.
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An American Werewolf in London is a classic must-see and has enough comedy to take the edge off the terror.
Oh, yeah love that one. ...and it contains a shower scene that every teenage boy will want to see.

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Near Dark is a fantastic take on vampire movies. Set in the modern day (well, 1980s - the move was released in 1987), it's set in the American southwest and never actually uses the word "vampire". It's directed by Kathryn Bigelow (won the directing Oscar for The Hurt Locker), and starring Lance Henriksen and Bill Paxton, it's high quality.
Such a great movie. And a great Bill Paxton movie to boot.
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Post by Jeff V » Wed Oct 03, 2018 9:41 am

GreenGoo wrote:
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Jeff V wrote:
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Apparently I've never seen one that meets your definition.
There are lots of things that you won't let yourself experience that many of us enjoy.

Based on your lack of enthusiasm, I'm guessing you don't even bother watching so called scary movies, but even if you did, I'm certain you are unable to suspend your disbelief enough to enjoy them as they are intended to be enjoyed.

And that's perfectly fine. But that's your failing, not those of scary movies, and definitely not a failing of those of us who let ourselves be scared by them.

I also enjoy scary books on occasion.

I especially enjoy a good scary video game that isn't pure jump scares, but those are pretty rare.
Well, I do like watching movies other people claim are scary, I mostly find them hilarious. My kids are learning that too...while It was on, my 2-year said "ooooh, scary" then threw her hands up and gave a fake movie scream then busted out laughing. Every single night for months now, when I go to put something on TV at night, my son begs for a "scary movie." Very few have managed to meet his definition, he always keeps saying "this isn't a scary movie" or he asks "is this scary?" I finally gave up trying to appease him through countless hours of bad horror movies and old him several times last night that yes, Flyboys is a scary movie. :D

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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:05 pm

You realize your kid is learning that movies aren't scary from you, right? It's not hereditary.

And that's perfectly fine, I'm not being critical of you or your parenting in this case, I'm just pointing out that when a kid is a chip off the ol' block, it's because he/she has been taught to be, inadvertently or not.

It's the same reason my kids are fearless in the face of slasher movies.

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You realize your kid is learning that movies aren't scary from you, right? It's not hereditary.
The other day, my wife made one final appeal to find a spark of interest in soccer. The experiment last spring did not go well. His response was: "No mommy, I don't like soccer...it's super boring!"

I'm quite certain I've never impressed my identical sentiment onto him. Perhaps it's genetic?

He likes dancing though and loves his hip-hop class. I'm ambivalent towards hip-hop, and while he likes some of the music from my generation, I've yet to teach him the only dance form I know (slam).

Anyway, I'm mostly impassive while we watch movies, spending much of the time trying to get him to sit still. Laughing out loud or saying things like "Jaws is super funny!" is all on him. Perhaps it's corny in retrospect, but I do have some reverence toward Jaws as being an iconic film of it's genera and I enjoyed both the book at the movie back in the day. A fellow parent told me their similar-aged daughter had the same reaction as my son, finding it hilarious. Simiarly, my daughter's reaction is all her hamming it up...I've never come close to teaching her that sort of thing. If anything, they pick up on my non-reaction and figure it's nothing to take too seriously. My son does let me know when the language is bad though ("daddy he said a bad word!") And he'll pretend to cover his eyes whenever the evil boobies are unleashed.

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ImLawBoy wrote:
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Near Dark is a fantastic take on vampire movies. Set in the modern day (well, 1980s - the move was released in 1987), it's set in the American southwest and never actually uses the word "vampire". It's directed by Kathryn Bigelow (won the directing Oscar for The Hurt Locker), and starring Lance Henriksen and Bill Paxton, it's high quality.
Near Dark is a fantastic movie, and I think it's appropriate for teens if their parents are of the 'Violence? Meh. Nudity? OMG no!" school of parenting.

An older movie I'd recommend for teens is The Night of the Hunter. I think the content of the movie is interesting enough that even today's kids won't get bored. The bonus is the visuals are dreamlike and memorable. Teens who watch it can get a taste of what's possible if the filmmaker has any skill. I'd even pair this with Near Dark for that reason alone. Visually striking horror/thrillers from different eras.

A quirky pick would be Of Unknown Origin. It's a man vs rat movie, the BEST man vs rat movie ever made.

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Post by GreenGoo » Wed Oct 03, 2018 3:35 pm

As a parent I'm mostly ok with nudity. We're pretty lackadaisical about our personal privacy when changing/showering and everyone seems to be surviving ok. I draw the line (for my kids) at graphic sex or sex that is abnormal in some way. I realize it's impossible to nail down what is normal vs. abnormal when it comes to human sexuality, but in this case I mostly mean sex that is not 1950's sex. Not because I disapprove of the sex itself necessarily, but because human sexuality is complicated, going through puberty can be difficult, and they'll have time to explore their own sexuality more deeply later. In the meantime I don't want them to be overwhelmed by all the ways human sexuality can present itself. Puberty is confusing enough without all the external reference points.

I don't let them watch car crash videos either.

I mentioned it earlier but my eldest and I had a Friday the 13th marathon over several nights and it was a lot of fun. I liked it because I grew up in the 80's so 80's style slasher flicks are fun for me, and he liked it because we were doing something together and he cued off my responses and had many comments of his own, both humorous and thoughtful. It was also his idea.

So my vote is a Halloween marathon. It's topical and season appropriate, it's not particularly realistic or scary in the emotional sense, and I find slasher flicks to be fun entertainment.

For the record I rarely watch slasher flicks from after 1995 or so. I'm just not that into the modern take on slashers. Supernatural or psychological based horror movies are far more interesting to me. It's not that crazed killers no longer appeal to me, it's that mindless crazed killers don't.
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A quirky pick would be Of Unknown Origin. It's a man vs rat movie, the BEST man vs rat movie ever made.
I don't know if it's the best ever made, because I have only seen this one, but I do remember finding it interesting. Isn't there a Crispin Glover rat movie? I haven't seen that one.

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Jeff V wrote:
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Well, I do like watching movies other people claim are scary, I mostly find them hilarious.

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An older movie I'd recommend for teens is The Night of the Hunter.
God I love that movie. I probably wouldn't add it to a Halloween showing, but good lord Robert Mitchum is a force of friggin' nature in that film. Make it a double feature with the original Cape Fear and you've got maximum Mitchum that I doubt anyone (other than Jeff V, of course) is manly enough to withstand.
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Well, I do like watching movies other people claim are scary, I mostly find them hilarious.

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I don't know if it's the best ever made, because I have only seen this one, but I do remember finding it interesting. Isn't there a Crispin Glover rat movie? I haven't seen that one.
The only way a Crispin Glover man vs rat movie could top it is if Crispin Glover played the rat.

I just remembered, since I was thinking of 'best man vs various animals' movies, Razorback is my choice for best 'man vs large aggressively hostile pig' movie.

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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by Pyperkub » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:31 pm

A couple I like to keep on my list:

The Nightmare Before Christmas
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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by em2nought » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:28 am

Motel Hell "It takes all kinds of critters to make Farmer Vincent's fritters." :wub:

Watched this last night on TV, and it holds up well in a cult classic way. Last time I saw it was about 1981 on a 9" TV screen. :mrgreen:
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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by disarm » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:58 am


em2nought wrote:Motel Hell "It takes all kinds of critters to make Farmer Vincent's fritters." :wub:

Watched this last night on TV, and it holds up well in a cult classic way. Last time I saw it was about 1981 on a 9" TV screen. :mrgreen:
Definitely a bit of cult classic fun...

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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by em2nought » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:42 am

disarm wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:58 am
"I'm the biggest hypocrite of them all. My meats...I used preservatives..."
Yeah, that was a great confession. I didn't catch it the first go round way back when. :dance:
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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by Paingod » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:04 am

Werewolves are hard to get right, and if you're looking to sprinkle in some and think American Werewolf is overplayed (not saying it isn't good), get some Dog Soldiers. There's some disembowelment and limb rending, but if you're watching werewolves without that, they're probably doing it wrong.

Our kids are 7 and 10, and we kind of struggle with what to run for scary movies at this time of year. They want more suspense, we don't want a lot of sex or excessive gore. The 10 year old is looking to push boundaries a little, the 7 year old would prefer not to.
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Re: Halloween Movies, Take 2

Post by gameoverman » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:44 pm

The Howling is my goto werewolf movie. I have nothing against American Werewolf in London but I like the concept of the werewolves in The Howling better. It has some sexual elements that might disqualify it from being teen friendly though.

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