My balls hurt.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:53 pm

I am hesitant to get this done, only because we know at least two couples or maybe three, whose man had the procedure, only to get preggers.

With three kids already, and that last one a surprise (and how), that would VERY uncool.

I guess I could ask all three who their doctors were, and make sure I didn't go to him (how horrific would it be if it were the same doctor?!)

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:02 pm

Did they do the follow up check? I was told if any swimmers were found - dead or alive - I'd have to come back in another 6 weeks for another test. From the time you are cleared to have sex again until you get that 0 count back you are supposed to be using other birth control as live swimmers can be around for 15+ events.. I was told to hit that 15 limit before the test for the best results - which is the best Dr. prescription I've ever gotten.

Edit: That being said, they warn you there is always a chance it fixes itself. In my case, they cauterized the ends and twisted them back away from each other (I watched a bit on the second one once I knew I wasn't really feeling anything) so I wasn't too worried.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:09 pm

stessier wrote:From the time you are cleared to have sex again until you get that 0 count back you are supposed to be using other birth control as live swimmers can be around for 15+ events.. I was told to hit that 15 limit before the test for the best results - which is the best Dr. prescription I've ever gotten.

As an avid "eventerer", I can say without hesitation, that that will not be an issue.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:13 pm

Carpet_posts wrote:As an avid "eventerer", I can say without hesitation, that that will not be an issue.

. You're going to love the part where you have to wait a week after surgery for any fun.

Daveman · Post by **Daveman** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:57 pm

Yeah... when my procedure was done I was told to um, have at it after a week and keep at it throughout the next several weeks. I was told I'd need two consecutive "clear" tests before he'd officially say the procedure was a success. My first test (4 weeks or so after) showed a few signs of life so it wasn't until two more tests (each about 4 weeks apart) until I was "in the clear".

From the description of the procedure I was given, it's not just a matter of cutting the line... a small length of the vas deferens is cut out and the ends cauterized, so the two ends would not only have to regrow to connect up, but would also have to get past the 2 cauterized ends for the connection to work again. Didn't sound very likely at all. I'm not sure if that's standard practice though.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:00 pm

As always, first and foremost: Ahhhhhhh

Second, my buddy had this done last year and he told me that his doctor said it would be ~12 weeks before he was officially declared "empty". I believe there were a series of tests (maybe 4 week and then 6+ weeks apart?) to demonstrate that it worked.

In closing, ahhhhhhhhhhh.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:31 pm

Daveman wrote: the description of the procedure I was given, it's not just a matter of cutting the line... a small length of the vas deferens is cut out and the ends cauterized, so the two ends would not only have to regrow to connect up, but would also have to get past the 2 cauterized ends for the connection to work again. Didn't sound very likely at all. I'm not sure if that's standard practice though.

I'd forgotten about the cut out portion. They said it got sent to a lab and verified that it was the right tube that was cut. They said there wasn't much in there that looked the same but it was always good practice to verify it.. I had to agree.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:10 pm

Smoove_B wrote:As always, first and foremost: Ahhhhhhh

In closing, ahhhhhhhhhhh.

I just wanted to say I felt this way too, not even taking into account my near clinical phobia of needles. I swore there was never any way I would ever do it. But over time it became clear that the alternatives were really making my wife insane and this option was considered safe and effective. I read up about it, talked to my doctor, and took the plunge.

The worst part by far was the anticipation. The actual procedure was quick and relatively easy. There was no cutting or sutures - just two small puncture wounds. The numbing needle was a small pinch and then a weird cold sensation as the nerves just winked out. There was some tugging which gave a weird feeling in the pit of my stomach - not pain, more like what you get from a close call when kicked in the groin rather than a direct hit. A few deep breaths got me through that. Then it was just walking around gingerly until I got home. I would recommend definitely having someone drive you home and listen when they say no stairs and try to remain sitting/reclining for 48 hours. I tried to help out with the kids at one point and moved a bit too fast and really paid for it for about an hour. Also, people generally have it done on Friday and go back to work on Monday but if you can get a few extra days off, take them. I did it the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and went back on Monday - I can't imagine going back any sooner.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:19 pm

stessier wrote:The worst part by far was the antici.........pation.

Sorry, that was bothering me.

Needles don't bother me. Getting cut-on doesn't bother me. But in the goolies? Ahhhhhhhhhh. Thankfully it's no longer a consideration for me. I mean..I'd do it if necessary, but I'd be a big baby about it.

Formix · Post by **Formix** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:39 am

Thanks for the input. I was hoping this would make the decision easier. But the reality? Not so much. Thanks!

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:16 pm

Formix wrote:Arise Blackhawk's Balls! Considering getting this procedure done, and was wondering, in general, what was the out of pocket cost?

2 x specialist office visit co-pays for me, so $100. No idea what my insurance paid.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:36 pm

coopasonic wrote:
Formix wrote:Arise Blackhawk's Balls! Considering getting this procedure done, and was wondering, in general, what was the out of pocket cost?
2 x specialist office visit co-pays for me, so $100. No idea what my insurance paid.

I will guess $1,200+. I bet Lawbeef can tell us.

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dobberhd · Post by **dobberhd** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:24 pm

The cost for me was $1130 when I had it done two months ago.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:27 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:
coopasonic wrote:
Formix wrote:Arise Blackhawk's Balls! Considering getting this procedure done, and was wondering, in general, what was the out of pocket cost?
2 x specialist office visit co-pays for me, so $100. No idea what my insurance paid.
I will guess $1,200+. I bet Lawbeef can tell us.

asked for - Insurance Paid - Coop paid
$789.00 - $ 663.81 - $ 50.00
$150.00 - $ 95.07 - $ 50.00

Bottom was for the initial consultation, top was for procedure.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:05 pm

STILL have not had this done, but am ready to actually pull the trigger now.

So who do I call? I don't even know what kind of surgeon does this procedure.

Worse, I don't know how to find a GOOD one ("and thorough!"

)

AWS260 · Post by **AWS260** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:12 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:STILL have not had this done, but am ready to actually pull the trigger now.

So who do I call?

Hepcat.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:31 pm

Blackhawk wrote:Hi, balls.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:33 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:STILL have not had this done, but am ready to actually pull the trigger now.

So who do I call? I don't even know what kind of surgeon does this procedure.

Worse, I don't know how to find a GOOD one ("and thorough!" )

Just call your regular family physician. They will make a recommendation or send you to somebody already within your network.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:33 am

Going in for the consultation next week.

Is there some type of member jacket or something afterwards I can expect?

Sort of like the Green Jacket for A Masters winner in golf?

Will I be getting a case of Cuban cigars delivered to my house?

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:43 am

Gotta be an emoticon from the new list for this thread...ah yes, this will do:

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:06 pm

ARISE GENITALIA (thread)

Consult was today. The snippity snip is scheduled for December. Wheeee!

I had to bring up the point I made earlier in the thread about knowing two other men (locally) who had this procedure, then ended up with surprise babies after the fact. Obviously more than a little disturbing, that. Nurse lady said she had been doing "this" for 22 years, and in that time, had only seen 2 cases where they needed to go back and re do the procedure (which didn't really address my concern, but whatever).

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:35 pm

My urologist said when he snips the tube he places the snipped ends on both sides of the sack. The chances of reattachment or anything like you described were very very very remote. I'd ask where he places the two ends when he is finished. If he leaves them laying next to each other then your odds increase.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:51 am

Lassr wrote:My urologist said when he snips the tube he places the snipped ends on both sides of the sack. The chances of reattachment or anything like you described were very very very remote. I'd ask where he places the two ends when he is finished. If he leaves them laying next to each other then your odds increase.

Normally I would just assume user error in this case (i.e. the accidental dads either didn't wait long enough before having sexy time, or they didn't go back for the sperm test, or something similar), but this is too damn important to assume anything, especially considering I have 3 kids. That is crazy enough. The parents I know that have 4 are REALLY crazy though, and seem to be in a constant state of "AHHHH!" I'm pretty sure an accidental 4th would break my wife, psychologically/mentally.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:13 am

Carpet_pissr wrote:
Lassr wrote:My urologist said when he snips the tube he places the snipped ends on both sides of the sack. The chances of reattachment or anything like you described were very very very remote. I'd ask where he places the two ends when he is finished. If he leaves them laying next to each other then your odds increase.
Normally I would just assume user error in this case (i.e. the accidental dads either didn't wait long enough before having sexy time, or they didn't go back for the sperm test, or something similar), but this is too damn important to assume anything, especially considering I have 3 kids. That is crazy enough. The parents I know that have 4 are REALLY crazy though, and seem to be in a constant state of "AHHHH!" I'm pretty sure an accidental 4th would break my wife, psychologically/mentally.

He also said there was no evidence that what he does works any better but there have been cases where the tubes have grown back together (but still an astronomically low figure) so he figures better safe than sorry.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:09 am

The ends were also cauterized as well as tucked to opposite sides for me and I think he made a joke about being unable to prevent miracles but giving it his best shot.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:57 am

Carpet_pissr wrote:ARISE GENITALIA

Um, no. Not for you. Leave my balls alone.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:27 am

November 22 I go under the proverbial knife.

Already stocked the freezer with frozen peas. Will be a good time to spend with the PS4 as well.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:38 pm

Wednesday is the day.

Awesome reason to not have to visit family and lay on the couch with my new Xbox One.

Case of frozen peas and first jock bought in 25 years are waiting.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:43 am

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:53 am

Date -November 27

Time - 3pm Mountain Time

Place - Dr. Chin's office

Whatever faith you might or might not practice, remember my nut sac tomorrow.

That is all.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:25 pm

I can promise you that, tomorrow, as I sit down to turkey and ham, your nutsack will the furthest thing from my mind.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:33 pm

My balls were apparently being discussed a week or so ago -- and I wasn't even there. I have to be honest, I didn't appreciate it. Anyway, I think my balls are off the table at this point, though I'm not 100% sure on that. Regardless, good luck with yours Xmann.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:32 pm

Xmann wrote:Date -November 27

Time - 3pm Mountain Time

Place - Dr. Chin's office

Whatever faith you might or might not practice, remember my nut sac tomorrow.

That is all.

Please save some of your collective ball pondering for my boys on Jan 10th.

Time: 8:00 am Eesperm Standard Time
Place: Dr. Ohmygodthepainishorrific's office

This will be my first medical foray with new health insurance, so I am expecting some trouble on that end, but maybe I will get lucky. Just based on experience, health insurance professionals seem a bit snippy at this time of the year.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:00 pm

Lidocaine starting to wear off... yikes!

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:30 pm

Did I just get kicked in the balls extremely hard?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:44 pm

Yep. Take the Advil and try not to do anything. They aren't kidding either... Do nothing that requires getting out of your chair!

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:50 pm

Don't think I'm not going to milk this shit either.

I wish the PS4 was readily available. Wife feels so bad she'd rush out and get me one.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:07 pm

Xmann wrote: Wife feels so bad she'd rush out and get me one.

So did mine. That was mostly because of the fact that when she got into the car to drive home, she absentmindedly dropped her purse in my lap.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:22 pm

Blackhawk wrote:
Xmann wrote: Wife feels so bad she'd rush out and get me one.
So did mine. That was mostly because of the fact that when she got into the car to drive home, she absentmindedly dropped her purse in my lap.

lol, mine did the same thing!

I got everything I want for the Xbox One except Forza. Hmmm.

Post by **FishPants** » Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:36 pm

Fwiw if you haven't had it done yet, make sure it's the puncture process without stitches. I was gtg 2 days later, until I golfed. Sat out a few holes to keep the boys safe.

Cauterized with titanium clamps on the end of the tube, didn't bother with the spank check... Wasn't doing it again if it didn't take, and I would have been ok with a third kid. Alas Dr Deballster (no shit) did a good job.