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Post by Moliere » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:53 pm

The Truth About Vaccines
I think there are several reasons why people have chosen—and I use the word “chosen” specifically because I think most people now have a luxury of choice when it comes to their medical care—not to vaccinate their children. One is that they haven’t seen these illnesses. Most people with young children have never seen a case of measles; they’ve never seen mumps, rubella, polio, or whooping cough; so these illnesses are just abstractions to them. Their families are healthy, so why should they worry about something they’ve never seen?

And there’s the concern that these vaccines cause autism. No matter how many studies are done to show in hundreds of thousands of children that there is no association between immunizations and the development of autism, there’s still that inkling of fear. Because most people know what autism looks like. They don’t know what measles looks like, but they understandably want to do everything they can to prevent autism.

Another issue—especially in what one would call “health-conscious” communities in California and parts of Colorado—is this notion that vaccines have what people call “toxins” in them. This is a very tricky word, because most non-scientists don’t really know what a toxin is. Vaccines are not toxic. The air we breathe is much more toxic than the vaccines that children receive. They receive more viral and bacterial exposure just by being outside for a few hours than they would from vaccines. But there’s this pseudoscientific idea, “I’m going to keep my children natural and healthy and feed them organic food and protect them from any unnecessary toxic exposure,” that seems to stand in opposition to vaccines.
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Post by stessier » Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:56 pm

There was a Sci-Show video about vaccines as well that seemed to hit on many of the same points.
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Post by stessier » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:31 pm

Another study released today finds no links.
"The only conclusion that can be drawn from the study is that there is no signal to suggest a relationship between MMR and the development of autism in children with or without a sibling who has autism," King wrote in the accompanying editorial. "Taken together, some dozen studies have now shown that the age of onset of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, the severity of course of ASD does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children, and now the risk of ASD recurrence in families does not differ between vaccinated and unvaccinated children."
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Post by hepcat » Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:53 pm

Bah, big money pharma is behind those lies!
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Post by Blackhawk » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:02 pm

I saw this earlier, and it actually pissed me off. The deniers gained so much steam that we're still having to disprove what has been thoroughly disproved, and we are wasting money, brains, and hours doing it. Those assets could have spent this time researching autism itself, creating new vaccines, or studying some other real issue. Instead, we've had to spend even more resources showing, once again, that pigs still do not have wings.
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Post by AWS260 » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:33 pm

California eliminates personal and religious exemptions from school immunization requirements.
Under the bill, families who do not want their children to receive vaccines for a nonmedical reason would have to home-school their children. Children who are currently in school without vaccines could remain, though youngsters would would be expected to show proof of vaccination when they enter kindergarten and seventh grade.

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Post by Smoove_B » Thu Jun 25, 2015 5:39 pm

Whoa. That's a pretty big deal.

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Post by Kasey Chang » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:53 am

Interestingly, even Reddit seems to be completely onboardon this particular topic. :) Most comments seem to be snarking at the Marin "vegan liberals"
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Post by Paingod » Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:52 am

AWS260 wrote:California eliminates personal and religious exemptions from school immunization requirements.
Under the bill, families who do not want their children to receive vaccines for a nonmedical reason would have to home-school their children. Children who are currently in school without vaccines could remain, though youngsters would would be expected to show proof of vaccination when they enter kindergarten and seventh grade.
When a minority refuses to listen to logic and science and has the potential to put a lot of people's health at risk, I'm totally okay with the government stepping in and making them choose between isolation or safety.
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Paingod wrote:
AWS260 wrote:California eliminates personal and religious exemptions from school immunization requirements.
Under the bill, families who do not want their children to receive vaccines for a nonmedical reason would have to home-school their children. Children who are currently in school without vaccines could remain, though youngsters would would be expected to show proof of vaccination when they enter kindergarten and seventh grade.
When a minority refuses to listen to logic and science and has the potential to put a lot of people's health at risk, I'm totally okay with the government stepping in and making them choose between isolation or safety.
If I may:
Paingod wrote:When a minority refuses to listen to logic and science and has the potential to put a lot of people's health at risk, I'm totally okay with the government stepping in and making them choose between isolation or one type of safety or another.
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Post by Scuzz » Fri Jun 26, 2015 12:57 pm

Paingod wrote:
AWS260 wrote:California eliminates personal and religious exemptions from school immunization requirements.
Under the bill, families who do not want their children to receive vaccines for a nonmedical reason would have to home-school their children. Children who are currently in school without vaccines could remain, though youngsters would would be expected to show proof of vaccination when they enter kindergarten and seventh grade.
When a minority refuses to listen to logic and science and has the potential to put a lot of people's health at risk, I'm totally okay with the government stepping in and making them choose between isolation or safety.
There is some question as to whether Gov. Brown will sign it however.

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Post by Isgrimnur » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:18 pm

Spanish diptheria
The boy with the first case of diphtheria in Spain for 28 years has died, Catalan regional health authorities have told The Spain Report. The boy had not been vaccinated against the disease, which his parents now attribute to being “tricked” by anti-vaccination groups.

And the bad news doesn't stop there. Already eight other Spanish children have been found to be carrying the Corynebacterium diptheriae bacteria that causes diphtheria. Fortunately, all these children had been vaccinated, and consequently have not developed the disease, but the danger of other unvaccinated children becoming exposed remains high.
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The six year old boy was admitted to Vall d'Hebron hospital on the 3rd of June. As a result of the long period since there had been any cases of the disease, Spain had no stocks of the diptheria antitoxin and had to get some delivered from Russia. It is not known whether or not faster availability of the antitoxin would have saved the boy's life, now if the carrier who infected the boy has been identified.
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Besides lying about the risks of vaccination, the anti-vaccine movement has routinely diminished the seriousness of the diseases reduced or eliminated by injections. The symptoms of diphtheria - including heart and kidney damage and lymph glands so swollen they can prevent breathing and death rates above 10% - are so severe that the approach hadn't been taken in this case.
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However, as the World Health Organization makes clear, “diphtheroid toxoid is one of the safest vaccines available” and it is the high global rate of immunization that has led to the dramatic declines in deaths from this disease
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Post by Smoove_B » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:23 pm

From the Greek for "Pair of Leather Scrolls" (Diphthera) -- refers to the membrane that ends up growing in your throat, releasing toxins that can kill you. A drawing (not offensive) of the "pair of scrolls":
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Post by hepcat » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:41 pm

And one of the bigger names in the anti-vax crowd, a physician named Dr. James Jeffrey Bradstreet, committed suicide on the 19th of this month. Of course, that's just given fuel to the anti-vaccine conspiracy nuts.
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Post by J.D. » Tue Jun 30, 2015 12:51 pm

Smoove_B wrote:From the Greek for "Pair of Leather Scrolls" (Diphthera) -- refers to the membrane that ends up growing in your throat, releasing toxins that can kill you. A drawing (not offensive) of the "pair of scrolls":
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hepcat wrote:And one of the bigger names in the anti-vax crowd, a physician named Dr. James Jeffrey Bradstreet, committed suicide on the 19th of this month. Of course, that's just given fuel to the anti-vaccine conspiracy nuts.
Don't worry, they'll get to the bottom of it.
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Scuzz wrote:
Paingod wrote:
AWS260 wrote:California eliminates personal and religious exemptions from school immunization requirements.
Under the bill, families who do not want their children to receive vaccines for a nonmedical reason would have to home-school their children. Children who are currently in school without vaccines could remain, though youngsters would would be expected to show proof of vaccination when they enter kindergarten and seventh grade.
When a minority refuses to listen to logic and science and has the potential to put a lot of people's health at risk, I'm totally okay with the government stepping in and making them choose between isolation or safety.
There is some question as to whether Gov. Brown will sign it however.
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Post by Lassr » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:41 am

The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.

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Post by Smoove_B » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:47 am

I didn't realize he was independently an idiot -- I thought he was under Jenny McCarthy's spell when they were together. That's unfortunate.

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Lassr wrote:Jim Carrey Brands California Governor 'Fascist' Over Vaccine Law

and I brand Jim Carrey a 'Moron'
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Post by Max Peck » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:12 am

From the BBC: California enacts mandatory vaccination law for students
Only children with serious health issues would qualify for exemption from the new measures. Unvaccinated children would have to be home-schooled. Mississippi and West Virginia are the only other two states with such strict requirements.
That last bit surprises me, although that surprise says something unflattering about my preconceptions.

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Smoove_B wrote:I didn't realize he was independently an idiot -- I thought he was under Jenny McCarthy's spell when they were together. That's unfortunate.
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Post by ImLawBoy » Tue Jul 07, 2015 10:39 am

That's just sloppy medicine, but it shouldn't really have any play into whether kids should be vaccinated.
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ImLawBoy wrote:
That's just sloppy medicine, but it shouldn't really have any play into whether kids should be vaccinated.
That's medical malpractice.
At least one chart was illegible, so health officials cannot tell what the patient actually received.
Seriously, that's inexcusable.



The article is kind of sketchy though:
In one case, a 2-year-old boy received a shot of Gardasil, a vaccine for HPV for women.
Gardasil is a vaccine for adolescents (including males) from 9 years old up to 26 years of age. The CDC ACIP actually recommends it for males.

It's not dangerous because he's a boy, it's dangerous because he's 2.
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What I wrote on Science Based Medicine . ORG:
If the Pope has no business talking about climate change (according to some right wing nuts running for president) surely Jim Carrey has no business talking about vaccines.
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Maybe Carey was being subtlety ironic and poking fun at his ex?
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I believe I've mentioned this previously, but I have a cousin that is neck deep into the whole anti-vax thing. She recently posted this on her FB page - make sure you read the comments as they are truly gold, Jerry - pure gold!

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DD* wrote:Maybe Carey was being subtlety ironic and poking fun at his ex?
I think you're on to something! I know that when I think of Jim Carey, I think of subtlety.
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He's no Andy Kaufman.
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Post by hepcat » Tue Jul 07, 2015 1:37 pm

ImLawBoy wrote:
DD* wrote:Maybe Carey was being subtlety ironic and poking fun at his ex?
I think you're on to something! I know that when I think of Jim Carey, I think of subtlety.

:lol:

On a side note, I wonder how many people made the joke that he was talking out of his ass...then added the appropriate screenshot from Ace Ventura?
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Post by LawBeefaroni » Tue Jul 07, 2015 2:05 pm

Here's some more subtlety from him:
Carrey tweeted the picture of Karen Echols’ son Alex as part of a protest against recent legislation in California that removed the personal-belief exemption from public health vaccination programmes.

Carrey’s tweet was posted on Instagram by Echols’ aunt Elizabeth Welch. Carrey wrote: “A trillion dollars buys a lot of expert opinions. Will it buy you? TOXIN FREE VACCINES, A REASONABLE REQUEST!” accompanied by a picture of Echols.

Welch accused Carrey of using the post to “mock” him and and his family, and [stated] that vaccinations played no part in his condition.

Karen Echols followed up with a direct appeal to Carrey asking him to remove the picture. The tweet was deleted and Carrey apologised in a subsequent message.

:naughty:

Doesn't he have a Crystal Child ex-step-son to use?
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DD* wrote:I believe I've mentioned this previously, but I have a cousin that is neck deep into the whole anti-vax thing. She recently posted this on her FB page - make sure you read the comments as they are truly gold, Jerry - pure gold!

It's all a conspiracy!!!!111!!111!!!!!!!11!
Someone should explain to them that tested and used a lot are not synonyms.

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DD* wrote:I believe I've mentioned this previously, but I have a cousin that is neck deep into the whole anti-vax thing. She recently posted this on her FB page - make sure you read the comments as they are truly gold, Jerry - pure gold!

It's all a conspiracy!!!!111!!111!!!!!!!11!
Someone should explain to them that tested and used a lot are not synonyms.
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DD* wrote:I believe I've mentioned this previously, but I have a cousin that is neck deep into the whole anti-vax thing. She recently posted this on her FB page - make sure you read the comments as they are truly gold, Jerry - pure gold!

It's all a conspiracy!!!!111!!111!!!!!!!11!
The CONSPIRACY!!111!11!1! deepens!!!1!1!11eleventy!1!!1!!!
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