[news] Then again., maybe he IS guilty...

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:29 pm

Our old friend van der Sloot is now linked to another woman's death.

I'm thinkin' that if you put yourself in situations in which girls can die around you, you may be...I don't know...GUILTY.

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:32 pm

Same subject line, different story.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 3:43 pm

He fancies himself a young Patrick Bateman. I hope he gets nailed (literally) by Interpol and local authorities. Daddy keeled over with a heart attack back in February and can no longer bail him out.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:11 pm

So it looks like this yahoo might be a serial killer. The first one seemed like it could of been some kind of overdose or something and he tossed the body. Now his implicated in a stabbing death... Hard to argue that was a accident..

Terrified · Post by **Terrified** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:38 pm

Octavious230 wrote:So it looks like this yahoo might be a serial killer. The first one seemed like it could of been some kind of overdose or something and he tossed the body. Now his implicated in a stabbing death... Hard to argue that was a accident..

The first time he was caught... The second time he was caught... If he is a serial killer, I'll bet these are not his first and second victims.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 4:42 pm

Terrified wrote:
Octavious230 wrote:So it looks like this yahoo might be a serial killer. The first one seemed like it could of been some kind of overdose or something and he tossed the body. Now his implicated in a stabbing death... Hard to argue that was a accident..
The first time he was caught... The second time he was caught... If he is a serial killer, I'll bet these are not his first and second victims.

He's not a very good one that's for sure.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:23 pm

Interesting way to celebrate the 5th anniversary.

craterus · Post by **craterus** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:28 pm

if i was a serial killer - i would start following this guy around just for the automatic free pass... (serial killer kills the girls but never gets caught because of the living smoke screen that is vad der slump)

regarding the other story hidden hidden in this thread....

The Meal wrote:Same subject line, different story.

Spiegel told NBC's "Today" show that she had known Karr since she was 9, when he was a teacher at her school in San Francisco. She said they later became engaged.

Karr is now living as a woman.

where is WTFKasey when we need him?

dbt1949 · Post by **dbt1949** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:26 pm

And he's not in Dutch territory anymore. He's going to wish he had be found guilty with the Holloway case by the time this is over.

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:29 pm

YES! From CNN.com:

[Updated at 1:13 p.m.] Joran van der Sloot has been arrested and is in police custody in Santiago, Chile, an Interpol spokesperson in Santiago told CNN.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 1:40 pm

Woohoo!!! I don't see him getting himself out of this one. Is there a death penalty in Peru? I'd rather he rotted in a cell for the rest of his life personally.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:36 pm

The Smoking Gun has an interesting twist to this story:

Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch man suspected in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway--and now in the murder of a woman in Peru--was named today in a federal extortion complaint charging him with seeking $250,000 in return for information about the whereabouts of Holloway's corpse. According to the below complaint, which was filed in U.S. District Court in Birmingham, Alabama, van der Sloot last month received a $15,000 downpayment on a six-figure fee to "provide the location of Natalee Holloway's remains in Aruba and information regarding the circumstances of her death."

Good grief.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:17 am

Just when you think a guy couldn't be any more despicable, he ups the ante.

DD* · Post by DD* » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:27 am

No kidding, what a piece of refuse.

sgoldj · Post by **sgoldj** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:03 am

Octavious230 wrote:So it looks like this yahoo might be a serial killer. The first one seemed like it could of been some kind of overdose or something and he tossed the body. Now his implicated in a stabbing death... Hard to argue that was a accident..

"she FELL into the knife. She fell into the knife 10 times"

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 8:47 am

Octavious230 wrote:Woohoo!!! I don't see him getting himself out of this one. Is there a death penalty in Peru? I'd rather he rotted in a cell for the rest of his life personally.

According to this morning's news, there is no capital punishment in Peru. Which is fine by me - I'm sure they've got nothing on Turkey, but I'm happy to let this slime rot, alone and forgotten, in a Peruvian prison for the rest of his (hopefully long and miserable) life.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:36 am

Yeah, death would be a mercy at this point. I was going to use "if he's guilty" in my posts, but after smoove's linked article, I'm going to just assume this scumbag is guilty.

Hispanicgamer · Post by **Hispanicgamer** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:44 am

sgoldj wrote:
Octavious230 wrote:So it looks like this yahoo might be a serial killer. The first one seemed like it could of been some kind of overdose or something and he tossed the body. Now his implicated in a stabbing death... Hard to argue that was a accident..

"she FELL into the knife. She fell into the knife 10 times"

Absolutely plausible when the floor is slippery! Come on Dude?

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:22 am

hepcat wrote:Yeah, death would be a mercy at this point. I was going to use "if he's guilty" in my posts, but after smoove's linked article, I'm going to just assume this scumbag is guilty.

Wait, are there people that HAVEN'T been assuming he's guilty pretty much since day 1 of his Natalee Halloway involvement?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:22 pm

sgoldj wrote:
Octavious230 wrote:So it looks like this yahoo might be a serial killer. The first one seemed like it could of been some kind of overdose or something and he tossed the body. Now his implicated in a stabbing death... Hard to argue that was a accident..

"she FELL into the knife. She fell into the knife 10 times"

"The FBI guy stole my account information and put money in it. I never asked for it."

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 12:23 pm

Sith Lord wrote:
Octavious230 wrote:Woohoo!!! I don't see him getting himself out of this one. Is there a death penalty in Peru? I'd rather he rotted in a cell for the rest of his life personally.
According to this morning's news, there is no capital punishment in Peru. Which is fine by me - I'm sure they've got nothing on Turkey, but I'm happy to let this slime rot, alone and forgotten, in a Peruvian prison for the rest of his (hopefully long and miserable) life.

Hopefully they are like Spanish Prison. You get one set of clothes when incarcerated and are only fed bread and water. If you want anything else, someone (family, friends, etc) has to bring it - including paying for replacement clothes.

em2nought · Post by **em2nought** » Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:01 pm

Sith Lord wrote:
hepcat wrote:Yeah, death would be a mercy at this point. I was going to use "if he's guilty" in my posts, but after smoove's linked article, I'm going to just assume this scumbag is guilty.
Wait, are there people that HAVEN'T been assuming he's guilty pretty much since day 1 of his Natalee Halloway involvement?

They also believe health insurance is going to get cheaper and health care will improve.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:24 pm

em2nought wrote:
Sith Lord wrote:
hepcat wrote:Yeah, death would be a mercy at this point. I was going to use "if he's guilty" in my posts, but after smoove's linked article, I'm going to just assume this scumbag is guilty.
Wait, are there people that HAVEN'T been assuming he's guilty pretty much since day 1 of his Natalee Halloway involvement?
They also believe health insurance is going to get cheaper and health care will improve.

don't forget that we also are socialists, believe same sex marriages won't result in america becoming the setting from the Road Warrior movie, and think having people register to own hand guns is okay.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Sun Jun 06, 2010 4:14 pm

em2nought wrote:
Sith Lord wrote:
hepcat wrote:Yeah, death would be a mercy at this point. I was going to use "if he's guilty" in my posts, but after smoove's linked article, I'm going to just assume this scumbag is guilty.
Wait, are there people that HAVEN'T been assuming he's guilty pretty much since day 1 of his Natalee Halloway involvement?
They also believe health insurance is going to get cheaper and health care will improve.

Ask Canada how that's working out.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:59 am

A spokesman for the Chief of Police in Peru is saying van der Sloot confessed.

Given the fact that it happened in a hotel room under his name, it certainly suggests it wasn't premeditated. Unless he really thought he was untouchable.

Peru's chief police spokesman, Col. Abel Gamarra, told The Associated Press that Van der Sloot admitted under police questioning Monday that he killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30.

The broadcaster America Television reported that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a rage after learning she had looked up information about his past on his laptop. It said it had access to details of the confession but did not cite its source.

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:06 am

Hmm. maybe he IS guilty...

craterus · Post by **craterus** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:27 pm

even in america - "confessions" can be suspect... I do not know how rough they are allowed to be in Peru to extract confessions (was he interrogated 3 days straight?).

Van der Sloot's confession came on his third full day in Peruvian police custody, on the eve of a planned trip to the hotel in which he was to participate in a reconstruction of the events leading to Flores' slaying, Gamarra said.

with that said - I hope it is a legitimate confession that can stand up in court... still feel bad for the holloway family - even if he tells the truth at this point with them - he has been deceptive so many times in the past it would be hard to believe him without the actual body being produced (which would seem unlikely).

Smoove_B wrote: Given the fact that it happened in a hotel room under his name, it certainly suggests it wasn't premeditated. Unless he really thought he was untouchable.

the following quote that you used seems to indicate that it wasn't premeditated

The broadcaster America Television reported that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a rage after learning she had looked up information about his past on his laptop . It said it had access to details of the confession but did not cite its source.

if he flew into a rage is that considered a non-premeditated state of mind? Isn't that the sort of thing used when people kill their wives in south america (the old "I saw her with another man so i became enraged and killed her" defense or is that an old wives tale?

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found this after i posted...
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Media/joran-v ... d=10853209" target="_blank

Police investigators told Lima's La Republica newspaper that van der Sloot's bombshell confession came late Monday night when he tearfully admitted that he grabbed Stephany Flores Ramirez by the neck when she began reading articles about him on the Internet.

"I did not want to do it. The girl intruded into my private life," he told investigators, according to La Republica . "She had no right."

"I confronted her," he continued. "She was frightened, we argued and she wanted to get away. I grabbed her by the neck and I hit her."

Van der Sloot could be charged with murder as early as today.

Flores' father, Peruvian politician and race car driver Ricardo Flores, told ABC News that van der Sloot's laptop "contains valuable information that may lead to more of Joran's victims."

"I think he killed many others," he said.

many?!

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:07 pm

craterus wrote:
Flores' father, Peruvian politician and race car driver Ricardo Flores, told ABC News that van der Sloot's laptop "contains valuable information that may lead to more of Joran's victims."

"I think he killed many others," he said.

many?!

Hard to say whether the grieving father (also a politician) would have any deep insight into the investigation. I'll withhold judgment until they actually release the results of the forensic analysis on the laptop.

Still, not looking at all good for ol' Joran.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:09 pm

I honestly think the little dutch boy is a murderer, but I can't help but be taken aback by the numerous allegations coming from Flores' father. In America, he would be slapped with a gag order faster than you could say "Oh shi....". You just don't go around telling the press that the police have all this evidence or that they told you someone's guilty of being a serial killer. That stuff has to come from official sources.

Also, do they ever mention Flores' father WITHOUT bringing up either race car drive or circus impresario?

PR_GMR · Post by **PR_GMR** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:31 pm

hepcat wrote:so, do they ever mention Flores' father WITHOUT bringing up either race car drive or circus impresario?

I know they're just stating the facts, but that could be misconstrued as some backhanded attempt at demeaning the individual.. or make jest of him: 'Bobos the Clown's daughter was found brutally murdered in a Peru hotel by..'

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:01 pm

CNN (and Fox) are reporting he confessed. And a bonus:

Van der Sloot offered a tearful confession Monday night to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores Ramirez, Peruvian authorities said.

The suspect told authorities Flores had found some information on his laptop computer that tied him to the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway five years ago.

"I did not want to do it," van der Sloot is said to have told authorities. "The girl intruded into my private life."

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:05 pm

OH, he didn't want to do it? That's ok then. Carry on, Joran.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:12 pm

"She found out I was accused of being a murderous bastard, so, of course, I became angry and murdered her."

Bury this guy under the jail.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:15 pm

Think I read somewhere that a confession in Peru gets you a lighter sentence. That could be the motivation behind the confession.

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:19 pm

Lassr wrote:Think I read somewhere that a confession in Peru gets you a lighter sentence. That could be the motivation behind the confession.

From Christian Science Monitor

There is general agreement on the streets of Lima that Peruvian authorities need to make an example of van der Sloot for Flores’ murder.

There is speculation that the confession is a ploy to get off easy. In fact, that may have been fueled by an article in El Comercio, a major daily newspaper and website, that quotes a lawyer saying that van der Sloot may have confessed to get a reduced sentence. The lawyer explains that if the murder was an act of anger, and not premeditated, then the sentence would normally be six to 20 years under Peruvian law.

“He only confessed because he doesn’t want to go to prison for life. I think the police should continue investing and set an example with him,” says Maria Hernandez, a bank employee.

Van der Sloot could be sentenced on different charges, depending on the investigation. The most serious would be aggravated robbery, which carries a life sentence. Murders cases carry sentences up to 30 years, depending on the intent.

In the CSM article, the bolded part is a link to El Comercio - a Peruvian paper.

Aggravated robbery = life
Murder someone = 30 years

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:23 pm

theohall wrote:Aggravated robbery = life
Murder someone = 30 years

There's a very interesting history to that. The founder of Peru, Armando de la Villa, was once quoted as saying, "You can kill me, but you'd better not touch my stuff." He said it in Spanish, of course, but you get the idea. Anyway, the laws were then tailored to honor his priorities.

craterus · Post by **craterus** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:35 pm

Sith Lord wrote:
theohall wrote:Aggravated robbery = life
Murder someone = 30 years

There's a very interesting history to that. The founder of Peru, Armando de la Villa, was once quoted as saying, "You can kill me, but you'd better not touch my stuff." He said it in Spanish, of course, but you get the idea. Anyway, the laws were then tailored to honor his priorities.

Well... there are good reasons to murder someone sometimes. There are never good reasons to steal someones stuff. uh - right?

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:44 pm

Sith Lord wrote:
theohall wrote:Aggravated robbery = life
Murder someone = 30 years

There's a very interesting history to that. The founder of Peru, Armando de la Villa, was once quoted as saying, "You can kill me, but you'd better not touch my stuff." He said it in Spanish, of course, but you get the idea. Anyway, the laws were then tailored to honor his priorities.

I figured the Founder would be speaking some version of Incan.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:08 pm

Him freaking out that bad probably means there's some pretty damning stuff sitting on his computer. Wonder if he was smart enough to toss the HD... Nah...

theohall · Post by **theohall** » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:17 pm

Octavious230 wrote:Him freaking out that bad probably means there's some pretty damning stuff sitting on his computer. Wonder if he was smart enough to toss the HD... Nah...

Seeing as he was attempting to extort money in relation to information about Holloway and his contacts were online, it's rather easy to tie those two things together. I doubt the "rage" thing holds up in court. He killed her, because she found out he was a killer and it made him mad?? Puh-lease. And how did she get access to his laptop? Or is he an idiot who doesn't password protect his own laptop or just leaves it logged in an open where whomever is in the room can access the info?