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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Odin » Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:27 am

Toe wrote:Looks like they might have gotten rid of Shireen, Stannis's only child (the one with greyscale in the books). While it may be implied she is still around with Melisender saying " no sons, no duaghters, only still borns, and death", she is no longer on the family tree (she was in Season 1, but not in Season 2).


That's another interesting change (spoilers, again, primarily for future, as-yet-unwritten books)

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because she's alive and exists at the end of A Dance with Dragons, but she's NEVER done anything remotely useful. She was friends with Robert's bastard son and she made some people uncomfortable, but she REALLY freaked out Val. Was that just to add color on Martin's part, or is there some truth to Val's belief that Shireen is channeling the dark side through her ugly face? Does she have some significant role yet to play, and if so, who will play it in her stead if she never existed in the series?


/sigh - this would all have been MUCH less complicated if Martin hadn't taken so insanely long to finish the last couple of books.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Anonymous Bosch » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:20 am

I re-read A Clash of Kings last year, and I have to agree to with Odin and MHS about Stannis and Melissandre. Their relationship in the book was merely hinted at, and seemed mostly theoretical at best. That said, with the TV series consisting of only 10 episodes in each season, I can also see the need for such departures from the books. There are likely many more to come, but I'm reserving judgement until the season has played out.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Inverarity » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:49 am

dedewhale wrote:I thought last nights episode was well done...they really managed the jumping of story lines with continuity and that they are setting up adding new storylines and characters in a way I wont feel shortchanged on old stories. It could change as we move on but for now...good

This exactly. I really enjoyed last night's episode, much like the previous week's episode. The world feels so large this season, with so much going on and going in so many directions. I can't even suggest how I think any of it will play out, and that's a good thing.

One particular scene I loved from this week's episode was the Varys-Tyrion conversation. Those two are such great actors. Conleth Hill is one of the few on the show able to stand toe to toe with Dinklage. I hope we see more of them together in the coming weeks.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby naednek » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:47 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:I had no problem with Stannis and Melisandre since I think the books made it fairly clear they were getting it on. And since we know that [spoiler for future events]
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Melisandre is going to birth a shadow baby soon, it makes sense to show them hooking up now.


My favorite scene in the episode was the confrontation between Tyrion and Circe. In fact, my favorite scenes from both episodes have been Tyrion and Circe alone together. The hate between the two is palatable.



Thank you for hinting the spoiler is for future events. Not everyone is caught up in the books, and when I read a thread about Season 2, I would assume that's what we are talking about. I've ran across a few future spoilers from yesterday and today's post, not knowing it was about events way down the line.

I really liked the scenes with Arry, I think the actress who plays her does a great job and fits in my imagination when reading the books. I for one was glad to not see Sansa in last night's episode.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:06 pm

naednek wrote:Thank you for hinting the spoiler is for future events. Not everyone is caught up in the books, and when I read a thread about Season 2, I would assume that's what we are talking about. I've ran across a few future spoilers from yesterday and today's post, not knowing it was about events way down the line.


Thread spoiler note from post 1:

Me wrote:Before reading this thread, please ensure that you've seen all of season 1 or that you don't mind having season 1 events spoiled. Once season 2 premieres, episodes that have aired will also be fair game to be spoiled.

If you've read the books and plan to post a comment that gives away something that has not yet been aired on the television show, please use spoiler tags.


In other words, spoiler tags can include anything, so use care when clicking.

And yes, Maisie Williams rocks.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby naednek » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:45 pm

Zaxxon wrote:
naednek wrote:Thank you for hinting the spoiler is for future events. Not everyone is caught up in the books, and when I read a thread about Season 2, I would assume that's what we are talking about. I've ran across a few future spoilers from yesterday and today's post, not knowing it was about events way down the line.


Thread spoiler note from post 1:

Me wrote:Before reading this thread, please ensure that you've seen all of season 1 or that you don't mind having season 1 events spoiled. Once season 2 premieres, episodes that have aired will also be fair game to be spoiled.

If you've read the books and plan to post a comment that gives away something that has not yet been aired on the television show, please use spoiler tags.


In other words, spoiler tags can include anything, so use care when clicking.

And yes, Maisie Williams rocks.



why not just make it simple and label the spoiler as (spoiler regarding S2E2) if it's regarding the particular episode, and if it's about a book that's not related to the current episode lable that appropriately. I myself would love to be able to participate in reading people's reactions, joining discussions, as well as reading spoilers regarding that night's episode such as things that might have been missed but couldn't talk about it openly.

We had this issue last season because someone spoiled a very key part that happened in book 3, but didn't give anyone an explanation that the spoiler wasn't about Season 1. People apologized and after it was pointed out and agreed that things like that should have had a warning that it wasn't pertaining to Season 1. That ruined certain elements from the next two books for me.

I don't think that's asking too much and not a difficult thing to do. Ask Ralph and Odin, they easily did that just recently. If anything it's a reasonable request. If not, than I guess I'll have to bow out and wait till I finish all books before revisiting this thread, which is a shame because I really enjoy being part of the current discussion. That's what made the 24 threads fun. I'd hate to miss out.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby TiLT » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Zaxxon wrote:And yes, Maisie Williams rocks.


Maisie rocks and is a real gem in this show. Her biggest problem right now is that she's developing a woman's body, which means we have to suspend disbelief a bit in the series. They've tried their best to make her look like a boy this season, but you can still see that she's got breasts, and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have been missed by those she travels with either. It's a shame that it took so long from the point where the actors were cast to the point where the series started filming for real. I mean, at this point it's been more than 3 years since they were cast, if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:04 pm

Ratings Steady for Ep 2.

I'm a little surprised we haven't gotten a greenlight announcement yet.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby hepcat » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:19 pm

TiLT wrote:
Zaxxon wrote:And yes, Maisie Williams rocks.


Maisie rocks and is a real gem in this show. Her biggest problem right now is that she's developing a woman's body, which means we have to suspend disbelief a bit in the series. They've tried their best to make her look like a boy this season, but you can still see that she's got breasts, and


You must be sitting a HELL of a lot closer to the screen than I am. :shock:
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Odin » Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:43 pm

hepcat wrote:
TiLT wrote:
Zaxxon wrote:And yes, Maisie Williams rocks.


Maisie rocks and is a real gem in this show. Her biggest problem right now is that she's developing a woman's body, which means we have to suspend disbelief a bit in the series. They've tried their best to make her look like a boy this season, but you can still see that she's got breasts, and


You must be sitting a HELL of a lot closer to the screen than I am. :shock:


Agreed. I didn't see any breasts on that little girl. And even if her chest was budding, I'd think the costumer would have used a sports bra or something similar to squash them down where you can't see them anyway. I'm dubbing this a case of shadows and vivid imagination.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby hepcat » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:20 pm

Son of a...I knew that I recognized the actor who plays Gendry but I couldn't remember where. I was checking out the wiki and realized he played the doomed Chris on the U.K. show Skins. Sheesh, he's so different from Chris in GoT that I didn't recognize him.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby KKBlue » Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:59 pm

Odin wrote:
hepcat wrote:
TiLT wrote:
Zaxxon wrote:And yes, Maisie Williams rocks.

Maisie rocks and is a real gem in this show. Her biggest problem right now is that she's developing a woman's body, which means we have to suspend disbelief a bit in the series. They've tried their best to make her look like a boy this season, but you can still see that she's got breasts, and

You must be sitting a HELL of a lot closer to the screen than I am. :shock:

Agreed. I didn't see any breasts on that little girl. And even if her chest was budding, I'd think the costumer would have used a sports bra or something similar to squash them down where you can't see them anyway. I'm dubbing this a case of shadows and vivid imagination.

I notice adolescent breasts forming but didn't say a nothing out loud when watching the episode last night. I liked how the two actors delivered their diolog in the scene and hope it doesn't become an issue either for anyone's sake.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Peoux » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:05 pm

Could Tyrion ever have been cast better? Dinklage delivers every line with perfect wit and sarcasm. He's not just reading lines, he is living Tyrion's life, and I get chills every time he shows up. What would this show even be with a crappily cast Tyrion?
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby hepcat » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:06 pm

As far as I'm concerned, they could just change the name of the show to The Dinklage Hour and I'd be fine with it.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Isgrimnur » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:09 pm

I look forward to seeing what projects come his way during the off seasons.

I'm looking forward to Knights of Badassdom. He's got a voice part in the next Ice Age film. And it will be interesting to see if My Dinner with Hervé gets traction.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby MHS » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:55 pm

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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Odin » Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:24 pm

A shame to put so much time and effort into something like that and not bother to look up the correct spelling of "Targaryen."

Odd, too, that it's a "Visual Guide to the Faces of Season 1," yet it shows Stannis Baratheon.

Regardless, it's neat. Something like this, updated for Season 2, could only help folks keep track of all these characters (especially since some look kind of similar and have similar roles).
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Toe » Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:53 am

Toe wrote:Looks like they might have gotten rid of Shireen, Stannis's only child (the one with greyscale in the books). While it may be implied she is still around with Melisender saying " no sons, no duaghters, only still borns, and death", she is no longer on the family tree (she was in Season 1, but not in Season 2).


I watched the HBO GO version of ep2 last night and I misquoted what Meli said. She said "No sons, only still borns, and death" so technically Shireen might still be on the table at some point. No, not the map table, get your minds out of the gutter people. :)
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby TiLT » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:46 am

Toe wrote:
Toe wrote:Looks like they might have gotten rid of Shireen, Stannis's only child (the one with greyscale in the books). While it may be implied she is still around with Melisender saying " no sons, no duaghters, only still borns, and death", she is no longer on the family tree (she was in Season 1, but not in Season 2).


I watched the HBO GO version of ep2 last night and I misquoted what Meli said. She said "No sons, only still borns, and death" so technically Shireen might still be on the table at some point. No, not the map table, get your minds out of the gutter people. :)


I think she needs to be introduced at some point, if only to introduce the concept of greyscale to the viewers.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Hamlet3145 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:33 am

hepcat wrote:Son of a...I knew that I recognized the actor who plays Gendry but I couldn't remember where. I was checking out the wiki and realized he played the doomed Chris on the U.K. show Skins. Sheesh, he's so different from Chris in GoT that I didn't recognize him.


If that surprised you check out who the actress is playing Gilly. :o
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Jag » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:42 am

Just watched Sunday's ep:

Great episode overall. Still bugged by that whore from Winterfell. Those are all new scenes and I don't feel like it adds anything to the story at all, except to show that Littlefinger is a right bastard, but that will come out regardless.

Also bothered by Stannis' infidelity. While it is implied he gets it on with Big Red, they made it look more like seduction rather than a means to an end. The upside is that we got to see some of Melisandre's skin. Not usually a fan of redheads (sorry MHS), but something about Melisandre is simply smoking. ;)

Edit: I forgot about Davos. Excellent casting. He's up there with Tyrion and Varys as one of my favorites!
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:53 am

Odin wrote:A shame to put so much time and effort into something like that and not bother to look up the correct spelling of "Targaryen."


The funny part is they got it right everywhere except the key. Poor editing.


Jag wrote:Also bothered by Stannis' infidelity. While it is implied he gets it on with Big Red, they made it look more like seduction rather than a means to an end.


I'm with you on that part. I'm also getting a little tired of all the sex. I mean the books have a good amount, but it's starting to feel like HBO requires every other scene with a female adult to include gettin' it on. When I find myself recalling Sparticus and thinking 'they sure handled sexuality in a more nuanced manner', I begin to wonder if there's a problem.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Ralph-Wiggum » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:10 am

Zaxxon wrote: When I find myself recalling Sparticus and thinking 'they sure handled sexuality in a more nuanced manner', I begin to wonder if there's a problem.


If you're actually thinking that, then you aren't recalling Spartacus correctly. :lol:
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:17 am

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Zaxxon wrote: When I find myself recalling Sparticus and thinking 'they sure handled sexuality in a more nuanced manner', I begin to wonder if there's a problem.


If you're actually thinking that, then you aren't recalling Spartacus correctly. :lol:


I'm being a little hyperbolic, but not much. That's the point. :)
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby TiLT » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:17 am

With the exception of stuff that has to do with Roz, every sexual scene we've seen so far was also in the books IIRC.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:22 am

TiLT wrote:With the exception of stuff that has to do with Roz, every sexual scene we've seen so far was also in the books IIRC.


No. Renly/Loras, Melisandre, etc. Plus the massive amount of Ros stuff can't really be marked off as a little exception.

It's not a big deal to me, just a niggle. I think part of the issue is that a similar amount of sex in a 10-hour show comes off as much more prevalent than it does in a 1000-page book. Plus, sexposition only works when it's used very sparingly.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby hepcat » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:02 pm

Hamlet3145 wrote:
hepcat wrote:Son of a...I knew that I recognized the actor who plays Gendry but I couldn't remember where. I was checking out the wiki and realized he played the doomed Chris on the U.K. show Skins. Sheesh, he's so different from Chris in GoT that I didn't recognize him.


If that surprised you check out who the actress is playing Gilly. :o


Yeah, I noticed it was Cassie after I spent a few more minutes on the GoT wiki. I always had a crush on that actress. She doesn't quite look the same on GoT though.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby MHS » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:45 pm

hepcat wrote:
Hamlet3145 wrote:
hepcat wrote:Son of a...I knew that I recognized the actor who plays Gendry but I couldn't remember where. I was checking out the wiki and realized he played the doomed Chris on the U.K. show Skins. Sheesh, he's so different from Chris in GoT that I didn't recognize him.


If that surprised you check out who the actress is playing Gilly. :o


Yeah, I noticed it was Cassie after I spent a few more minutes on the GoT wiki. I always had a crush on that actress. She doesn't quite look the same on GoT though.


It was a good casting job IMO, though- she fits my mind's depiction of Gilly really well.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:38 pm

Westeros.org interviews DB/Dan. Some good quotes:

Q: With the news that Alan Ball has decided to step back from writing for True Blood, can you see yourselves writing for the show for as long as it goes, or can you see yourself stepping back from the writer’s room at some point?

David: You know, we loved it from the beginning, and when we met HBO and pitched the project we told them that it was a potentially eight or nine season story—it’s all one story, with a beginning, a middle, and an end. Virtually every show on television, even the great ones in the past, the writing staff comes up with the bible for the season ahead. There may be some exceptions—I think Matt Weiner (Mad Men) and Vince Gilligan (Breaking Bad) have an end in mind—but we’re telling potentially an 80, 90 hour story that we’d love to see through to the end.

Dan: I can’t imagine that—so long as we’re allowed to go forward with it—that we’re ever going to step back from it.


Q: Do you have one character you like most?

David: It’s like trying to decide your favorite foster kid—I can’t say kids because they’re really George’s children—but if there’s one in the second season that we really loved, I’d say Theon Greyjoy. His arc over the course of the second is just so fascinating, and Alfie Allen brings it to lie wonderfully. I truly do love them all, but Theon is particularly captivating.


Q: How do you decide which characters to keep and which to drop?

Dan: Ultimately, there are so many characters in the books that we’ve told George that if we cast all the characters in the book, we’d use all the budget on casting with no money for cameras or crew or sets.

David: One thing that’s important for us to think about is that we’re making it for an audience that has some viewers who’ve read the books, and many whom have not. We want to appeal to both groups. There’s a huge number of characters. I don’t think there’s a bigger cast on television—

Dan: I believe that is a fact.

David.—and I don’t think anyone else asks viewers to process so many storylines and characters. And also one thing to keep in mind is that there are characters in the second book who don’t appear this season, but are coming in later. It’s just about so many new characters introduced in the second season, so we saved some for the next season. They aren’t being omitted, they’re just being delayed.

Dan: A lot of it is just where does somebody really become central to the story, and we can’t afford to have people waiting around for their story to start.

...

Q: What about in the first season?

Dan: I think the Greatjon Umber is an example. Robb had a lot of different bannermen, and we can’t follow them all, so we decided to concentrate on one of them to stand in for the bannermen.

David: Or Jory. Ned brought a number of named guards with him from the North, and many of them have dialog in the books. But we wanted to concentrate on one character and so when he dies, hopefully he’ll have some meaning to viewers.


Q: Some say there seems to be more sex in the show than in the books…

David: There’s more sex in the books than there is in the show.

Dan: If we showed all the sex in the books, you’d be talking to us from behind prison bars.

David: I’m thinking of this scene in A Dance with Dragons and… well, I can’t even imagine how we’d shoot that. And there are scenes in the books that we did not do for legal and moral reasons, that feature underage characters. There are certainly scenes in the show that don’t exist in the book, but I think the level of sexual content and graphic content is the same. And it’s one of the things we loved about George’s books—I don’t think Bilbo Baggins ever got a boner, but in these books the characters think about sex, and that seems real for us.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Odin » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:44 pm

Fucking Theon?? Really?!? Man, I don't think he's in my top 10 favorite characters. Possibly not even in my top 20. I don't hate him, but I need to take my shoes off to count all the really great characters who got lines, scenes, or storylines that I really enjoyed more than Theon's.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Daveman » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:21 am

Heh, my first thought when I read that part was "Um, you misspelled Tyrion." I don't know, Theon certainly goes through a lot of... changes through the series and I can see where that makes him interesting. I reluctantly found myself rooting for him in the latest book.

I don't buy their line about there being more sex in the books at all though. There's certainly plenty, but as has been noted they've put in a lot of gratuitous stuff as well. Our introduction to Tyrion, Viserys stripping and feeling up Dany, all of the stuff with Roz but most notably that scene with Littlefinger, etc. The only way they've toned things down is in the age of the characters, but that's an overall change. Besides a scene with Ned and Catelyn I'm not sure what else they might have cut.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:37 am

Daveman wrote:Heh, my first thought when I read that part was "Um, you misspelled Tyrion." I don't know, Theon certainly goes through a lot of... changes through the series and I can see where that makes him interesting. I reluctantly found myself rooting for him in the latest book.

I don't buy their line about there being more sex in the books at all though. There's certainly plenty, but as has been noted they've put in a lot of gratuitous stuff as well. Our introduction to Tyrion, Viserys stripping and feeling up Dany, all of the stuff with Roz but most notably that scene with Littlefinger, etc. The only way they've toned things down is in the age of the characters, but that's an overall change. Besides a scene with Ned and Catelyn I'm not sure what else they might have cut.


I think Theon is a defensible choice. Certainly the level of competition is high, but if you put yourself in Theon's shoes I think he's a pretty deep character.

As for their comments about the level of sexy time, who knows. I think it's not so much the amount of stuff as the condensed nature of the show. Instead of something every 150-200 pages, we have something every 10-15 minutes. FWIW, the Viserys/Dany heebie-jeebie stuff is in the books.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:39 am

And I forgot to post what I came here to post... GRRM has confirmed more info on Season 3. Namely, it will be 10 episodes, they are definitely splitting ASoS into 2 seasons, and he's writing the 7th episode, tentatively titled

Spoiler:
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Probably don't need the spoiler tag, but just in case...
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Daveman » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:46 am

Zaxxon wrote:FWIW, the Viserys/Dany heebie-jeebie stuff is in the books.


His initial scene with her doesn't include stripping and groping. He criticizes her appearance, and does pinch her through her clothing to punish her but that's it. Later on one certainly gets the impression he's got a thing for her and doesn't like handing her over to a barbarian, and would have been happy marrying her (as was likely to have happened anyway before the rebellion) but that was it.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:10 am

Apparently we have differing definitions of 'groping' then. :)
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Zaxxon » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:27 am

In a rare move, HBO has released the Season 3 show opening / credits already.
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Jag » Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:40 am

Zaxxon wrote:In a rare move, HBO has released the Season 3 show opening / credits already.


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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Toe » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:15 am

Zaxxon wrote:And I forgot to post what I came here to post... GRRM has confirmed more info on Season 3. Namely, it will be 10 episodes, they are definitely splitting ASoS into 2 seasons, and he's writing the 7th episode, tentatively titled

Spoiler:
Autumn Storms



Hmm, book 3 split into two seasons. I guess we know what the cliffhanger for season 3 will be then...

Book 3 spoiler
Spoiler:
The red wedding. As in, did Rob and Cat just get killed?


But anyway, I am really glad they decided to split it. Almost wished they had done it two seasons per book from the start, but can't have everything I guess. :)
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Re: Game of Thrones - Season 2 Discussion

Postby Daveman » Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:22 am

I know there's a lot of back-and-forth about how to properly post spoilers, what should be spoiled, etc. and I hate to add to it... but in my opinion Toe you should redo your spoiler above and simply mention the event by name. There's no reason to add the second part. Folks familiar with the story know will know what you're talking about... those who aren't will have a significant moment in the story spoiled for no good reason.

Yes I know if they don't want to be spoiled they shouldn't click a spoiler button... but I think it's still good to err on the side of caution.
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